Posted: 2/14/2015 11:40:00 PM EDT
| I went to FedEx to ship a Ruger MK2 to NJ. Guy at counter said it could only be shipped next day for $69. Ok............I was told 2 Day is fine. So....What is cheapest way to ship a handgun. Thanks....... |
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I went to FedEx to ship a Ruger MK2 to NJ. Guy at counter said it could only be shipped next day for $69. Ok............I was told 2 Day is fine. So....What is cheapest way to ship a handgun. Thanks....... <----FFL Have your dealer mail it USPS Priority Mail for half the price or less. How to ship firearms |
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FFL. When I bought my gun from him he told me he would ship any gun I needed to whether I bought it from him or not. Saves money and hassle. Wow, some of you guys, have found a unicorn FFL. I never even knew they existed. Although I'm not interested in selling anything right now, I'm going to have to ask around at dealers for future reference, but I know what most of them are going to say, from past experience. |
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Dogtown Tom: I do have a couple questions about sending a handgun through a dealer.
1. When taking you handgun, to your local ffl, after you have sold it to someone in another state, does your sending dealer have to log the handgun into, and out of, their bound book, or can you just take an already sealed USPS box (with prepaid postage/insurance, delivery confirm.), to the dealer and drop it off, and pay their fee for sending it, and have their mail guy pick it up at his place of business? 2, If it has to be logged, would you include your state ID with the handgun, and have the dealer include a copy of their ffl? I suppose a dealer's ffl would help, because some ffls, as you state in your link explaining much of this process, do not want to receive from an individual., but they, of course, are not the technical owners of the handgun sent. 3. Whose return address should be used on the package? 4. Should you purchase postage, insurance, box and package it, or let the dealer do it? |
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They log it in and out. They're going to need the box open so they check the s/n and verify contents.
You don't need to put a copy of any of your info in the box. Use the FFL's return address. The FFL will need to enclose a copy of his license. Depends on the FFL. I usually do USPS postage online and bring everything to my FFL ready to go. |
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Dogtown Tom: I do have a couple questions about sending a handgun through a dealer. 1. When taking you handgun, to your local ffl, after you have sold it to someone in another state, does your sending dealer have to log the handgun into, and out of, their bound book, YES or can you just take an already sealed USPS box (with prepaid postage/insurance, delivery confirm.), to the dealer and drop it off, and pay their fee for sending it, and have their mail guy pick it up at his place of business? No. 2, If it has to be logged, would you include your state ID with the handgun, and have the dealer include a copy of their ffl? There is no ATF requirement to include ID or an FFL in the box with the firearm, but the receiving dealer may require it. ATF regulations DO require that the receiving dealer record the name and address of the person he received it from. The easiest way is to include ID or FFL. I suppose a dealer's ffl would help, because some ffls, as you state in your link explaining much of this process, do not want to receive from an individual., but they, of course, are not the technical owners of the handgun sent. It doesn't matter one bit who "owns" the firearm. 3. Whose return address should be used on the package? The person who actually ships it. 4. Should you purchase postage, insurance, box and package it, or let the dealer do it? The dealer is shipping it, so he purchases postage, provides the box, etc. Once you hand the firearm to your dealer it is in his possession......you can't have anything to do with it after that. |
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4. Should you purchase postage, insurance, box and package it, or let the dealer do it? The dealer is shipping it, so he purchases postage, provides the box, etc. Once you hand the firearm to your dealer it is in his possession......you can't have anything to do with it after that. There have been a few times that I have provided the box (usually a USPS medium flat rate box). I usually have the gun in the box with padding, all ready to ship, but not sealed up. This way all the dealer had to do was pull out the gun, right down the info for his bound book, then repack just how it came from me, seal up the box and slap on his shipping label. Just ask the dealer how he wants it when you call around finding out prices. |
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Dogtown Tom: I do have a couple questions about sending a handgun through a dealer. 1. When taking you handgun, to your local ffl, after you have sold it to someone in another state, does your sending dealer have to log the handgun into, and out of, their bound book, or can you just take an already sealed USPS box (with prepaid postage/insurance, delivery confirm.), to the dealer and drop it off, and pay their fee for sending it, and have their mail guy pick it up at his place of business? 2, If it has to be logged, would you include your state ID with the handgun, and have the dealer include a copy of their ffl? I suppose a dealer's ffl would help, because some ffls, as you state in your link explaining much of this process, do not want to receive from an individual., but they, of course, are not the technical owners of the handgun sent. 3. Whose return address should be used on the package? 4. Should you purchase postage, insurance, box and package it, or let the dealer do it? 4. Should you purchase postage, insurance, box and package it, or let the dealer do it?Would you accept a sealed package and trust that what the person is saying is in the box is really there? He (FFL) has to record the item into his books. |
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the dealer HAS to do everything. Bring the gun packed in the box comfortably with one side left unsealed. Pay agreed fee and leave. It is their problem then. The dealer does not have to do anything. All that has to be done is to log the pistol in and out in the bound registry, fill out the USPS shipping form, and verify contents. Anyone who is not lawfully prohibited from possessing a handgun can do everything. I regularly do the shipping for my FFL, just like any employee would. |
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The dealer does not have to do anything. All that has to be done is to log the pistol in and out in the bound registry, fill out the USPS shipping form, and verify contents. Anyone who is not lawfully prohibited from possessing a handgun can do everything. I regularly do the shipping for my FFL, just like any employee would. Quoted:
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the dealer HAS to do everything. Bring the gun packed in the box comfortably with one side left unsealed. Pay agreed fee and leave. It is their problem then. The dealer does not have to do anything. All that has to be done is to log the pistol in and out in the bound registry, fill out the USPS shipping form, and verify contents. Anyone who is not lawfully prohibited from possessing a handgun can do everything. I regularly do the shipping for my FFL, just like any employee would. Don't be obtuse........."the dealer" also includes EMPLOYEES of the licensee acting under his direction. |
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It could also include you, if your dealer just wanted to do the paperwork and let you do the running. That's how I usually do it. I don't work for an FFL.
I get a copy of the receiving FFL's license, pack the gun up, print a shipping label, bring the pistol to my FFL, he logs it in and out, I tape the box up, head to the post office with the appropriate paper. It can be that simple, but most FFLs are a weird lot with their own superstitions and rituals. |
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It could also include you, if your dealer just wanted to do the paperwork and let you do the running. That's how I usually do it. I don't work for an FFL. I get a copy of the receiving FFL's license, pack the gun up, print a shipping label, bring the pistol to my FFL, he logs it in and out, I tape the box up, head to the post office with the appropriate paper. It can be that simple, but most FFLs are a weird lot with their own superstitions and rituals. What you describe is not close to being lawful on several levels.
1. Once your dealer logs it........you don't get it back. That's been Federal law since 1968. 2. When your dealer logs it out it's to another FFL.......not you. Your dealer is an idiot. 3. Whn you hand that handgun to the USPS I presume you hand them a USPS Form 1508.....that's a dealers certification signed under penalty of perjury that the shipper is a dealer. You aren't a dealer. You just committed another violation of Federal law. 4. By letting you "do the running" your dealer and you are in violation of federal law. get caught and he'll lose his FFL, and you'll likely fail every NICS check for the rest of your life. |
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. Your dealer is an idiot. 3. Whn you hand that handgun to the USPS I presume you hand them a USPS Form 1508.....that's a dealers certification signed under penalty of perjury that the shipper is a dealer. You aren't a dealer. You just committed another violation of Federal law. 4. By letting you "do the running" your dealer and you are in violation of federal law. get caught and he'll lose his FFL,[/img] BINGO |
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The dealer is the shipper. My name is not on the paper as the shipper/dealer. Quoted:
The dealer is the shipper. My name is not on the paper as the shipper/dealer. For fucks sake.
The firearm was transferred FROM YOU TO YOUR DEALER.........if he hands the box back to you with the firearm it is a violation of Federal law (illegal transfer of a firearm) Your dealer is an idiot several times over. Whether your name is on the shipping label is irrelevant..........only your dealer can hand the box with the gun to USPS. How is that any different than an employee of a gun store doing it? It's not. An employee of a gun shop is clearly allowed under ATF regulations to conduct firearm transactions such as buying/selling/trading........or mailing of firearms. Sure, the physical act of taking the box to the post office is no different, but that's not what the law requires. You are not an employee.......to receive a firearm from a licensed dealer (when your idiot dealer hands you back the box with your gun in it) you are required by Federal law and ATF regulations to complete a 4473 and pass an FBI NICS background check. You need to stop posting and start reading ATF regulations. |
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Would someone show me where it says I have to be an employee, and what kind of employee I have to be, to bring a box to a common or contract carrier for an FFL.
Seriously. I don't see it. The gun is not mine, it was not transferred to me, it is being shipped from dealer to dealer by a common or contract carrier. On a side note, I am a conyract carrier, with DOT numbers, insurance and everything. |
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Would someone show me where it says I have to be an employee, and what kind of employee I have to be, to bring a box to a common or contract carrier for an FFL. Quoted:
Would someone show me where it says I have to be an employee, and what kind of employee I have to be, to bring a box to a common or contract carrier for an FFL. Don't be obtuse. There is no law saying "I have to be an employee....." Laws don't ALLOW or give permission, they PROHIBIT or restrict. And ATF regs are pretty damn clear on how possession is transferred from a licensed dealer to a nonlicensee. As I posted above, you should stop posting and start reading. Since you have no inclination to find it on your own or are simply unaware of who and what ATF is I suggest you start here: http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=70394195a3edf623eba7ce77a1bddff1&node=27:3.0.1.2.3&rgn=div5 Seriously. I don't see it. That's because you haven't read a fucking thing. Neither has your dealer. I'm seeing a pattern here.
The gun is not mine, it was not transferred to me, it is being shipped from dealer to dealer by a common or contract carrier. Wrong. It became an illegal transfer the moment your dealer handed it back to you. The chain of possession: dealer to USPS to dealer was broken. While you think it okay, ATF sees it as: dealer to nonlicensee to USPS to dealer. Since you didn't complete a 4473/NICS prior to possession.......you and your dealer committed a Federal crime. On a side note, I am a conyract carrier, with DOT numbers, insurance and everything. So?
Do you think that makes you exempt from Federal law? For fucks sake man. |
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Nowhere does it state that the person who delivers the box to the post office has to have a certain title or position, or be the actual license holder.
The only thing it does state : any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose |
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Nowhere does it state that the person who delivers the box to the post office has to have a certain title or position, or be the actual license holder. Quoted:
Nowhere does it state that the person who delivers the box to the post office has to have a certain title or position, or be the actual license holder. I don't know if you are trolling or just cannot comprehend simple English. When your idiot dealer hands it back to you he has illegally transferred a firearm to a nonlicensee. He logged the firearm into his bound book as an acquisition from YOU, then logged it as a disposition out to the receiving dealer. If he then hands it back to YOU, he has illegally transferred a firearm to a nonlicensee. What part of illegal transfer do you not get? If you can't understand that, I am truly sorry. No amount of asking you to read the ATF regulations can fix your problem. The only thing it does state : any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose For. Fucks. Sake. Is that all you got out of that link?
You missed this: §478.124 Firearms transaction record.
(a) A licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer shall not sell or otherwise dispose, temporarily or permanently, of any firearm to any person, other than another licensee, unless the licensee records the transaction on a firearms transaction record, Form 4473: Provided, That a firearms transaction record, Form 4473, shall not be required to record the disposition made of a firearm delivered to a licensee for the sole purpose of repair or customizing when such firearm or a replacement firearm is returned to the person from whom received........ Does that sentence sound like its okeydokey to just hand you back your gun?
Of course not. Please post the name of your idiot dealer. If you truly believe that he isn't an idiot or unlawfully transferring firearms it should not be a problem should it? |
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How does Cabela's or Gander Mountain or any other gun shop that is not solely operated by an individual person who obtained the FFL legally bring a gun to the post office or UPS or any shipper?
Seriously. What if a guy who works at a gunshop and handles their shipping sells a gun on the internet? Anyone but him can take it? If Wal-Mart sold on the internet, would Sam Walton himself have to go down to the post office every time someone hit 'buy it now'? §478.31 Delivery by common or contract carrier. (a) No person shall knowingly deliver or cause to be delivered to any common or contract carrier for transportation or shipment in interstate or foreign commerce to any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, any package or other container in which there is any firearm or ammunition without written notice to the carrier that such firearm or ammunition is being transported or shipped: §478.38 Transportation of firearms. Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place |
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How does Cabela's or Gander Mountain or any other gun shop that is not solely operated by an individual person who obtained the FFL legally bring a gun to the post office or UPS or any shipper? Quoted:
How does Cabela's or Gander Mountain or any other gun shop that is not solely operated by an individual person who obtained the FFL legally bring a gun to the post office or UPS or any shipper? Seriously? Corporations have employees. Employees work for the corporation. How the fuck are you a grown man and don't know that.? Seriously. What if a guy who works at a gunshop and handles their shipping sells a gun on the internet? Anyone but him can take it? If Wal-Mart sold on the internet, would Sam Walton himself have to go down to the post office every time someone hit 'buy it now'? I'm a sole proprietor.......only I can take a firearms shipment to the post office. A licensee who is a corporation, LLC, etc may designate an employee to do the same. Find a better fucking example than a dead man. §478.31 Delivery by common or contract carrier.
(a) No person shall knowingly deliver or cause to be delivered to any common or contract carrier for transportation or shipment in interstate or foreign commerce to any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, any package or other container in which there is any firearm or ammunition without written notice to the carrier that such firearm or ammunition is being transported or shipped: §478.38 Transportation of firearms. Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place You can continue to post this and it doesn't support your case one bit. It has to do with shipments via a common carrier, not USPS. There are different regulations that pertain to USPS shipments. The felony that you and your idiot dealer are committing occurs before you ever leave his premises. Who is the dealer? Answer the fucking question. |
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This is an interesting topic to me because i had a dealer in Sulphur Springs Texas try to get me to take my pistol to the post office myself after i check it in to them.
I told them I wouldn't do it and they told me that they "know what they're doing, " and "do it all the time." I took my pistol to another dealer and they shipped it for me. |
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Seriously? Corporations have employees. Employees work for the corporation. How the fuck are you a grown man and don't know that.? I do know that. Corporations aren't people, so who goes to the post office? I'm a sole proprietor.......only I can take a firearms shipment to the post office. A licensee who is a corporation, LLC, etc may designate an employee to do the same. Find a better fucking example than a dead man. Ok. Show me where it says there has to be a designated person. What are the qualifications to be a designated person? I saw no verbiage about 'designated or authorized person, personell, trustee, or employee anywhere related to shipping. You can continue to post this and it doesn't support your case one bit. It has to do with shipments via a common carrier, not USPS. There are different regulations that pertain to USPS shipments. The felony that you and your idiot dealer are committing occurs before you ever leave his premises. There are different regulations that pertain to USPS shipments, those regs can be met by the form the FFL sends to the post office with the handgun. The law does not state anything about what person can deliver the shipment to the USPS or contract carrier. ALL it does state, is that the FFL can deliver or cause to be delivered a shipment ... to a common or contract carrier. Who is the dealer? Answer the fucking question. Show me in the law book the definition and qualifications that must be met to designate someone as an authorized employee... Quoted:
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How does Cabela's or Gander Mountain or any other gun shop that is not solely operated by an individual person who obtained the FFL legally bring a gun to the post office or UPS or any shipper? Seriously? Corporations have employees. Employees work for the corporation. How the fuck are you a grown man and don't know that.? I do know that. Corporations aren't people, so who goes to the post office? Seriously. What if a guy who works at a gunshop and handles their shipping sells a gun on the internet? Anyone but him can take it? If Wal-Mart sold on the internet, would Sam Walton himself have to go down to the post office every time someone hit 'buy it now'? I'm a sole proprietor.......only I can take a firearms shipment to the post office. A licensee who is a corporation, LLC, etc may designate an employee to do the same. Find a better fucking example than a dead man. Ok. Show me where it says there has to be a designated person. What are the qualifications to be a designated person? I saw no verbiage about 'designated or authorized person, personell, trustee, or employee anywhere related to shipping. §478.31 Delivery by common or contract carrier.
(a) No person shall knowingly deliver or cause to be delivered to any common or contract carrier for transportation or shipment in interstate or foreign commerce to any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, any package or other container in which there is any firearm or ammunition without written notice to the carrier that such firearm or ammunition is being transported or shipped: §478.38 Transportation of firearms. Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place You can continue to post this and it doesn't support your case one bit. It has to do with shipments via a common carrier, not USPS. There are different regulations that pertain to USPS shipments. The felony that you and your idiot dealer are committing occurs before you ever leave his premises. There are different regulations that pertain to USPS shipments, those regs can be met by the form the FFL sends to the post office with the handgun. The law does not state anything about what person can deliver the shipment to the USPS or contract carrier. ALL it does state, is that the FFL can deliver or cause to be delivered a shipment ... to a common or contract carrier. Who is the dealer? Answer the fucking question. Show me in the law book the definition and qualifications that must be met to designate someone as an authorized employee... |
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Seriously? Corporations have employees. Employees work for the corporation. How the fuck are you a grown man and don't know that.? Quoted: I do know that. Corporations aren't people, so who goes to the post office? Quoted:
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How does Cabela's or Gander Mountain or any other gun shop that is not solely operated by an individual person who obtained the FFL legally bring a gun to the post office or UPS or any shipper? Seriously? Corporations have employees. Employees work for the corporation. How the fuck are you a grown man and don't know that.? Quoted: I do know that. Corporations aren't people, so who goes to the post office? I'm a sole proprietor.......only I can take a firearms shipment to the post office. A licensee who is a corporation, LLC, etc may designate an employee to do the same. Seriously. What if a guy who works at a gunshop and handles their shipping sells a gun on the internet? Anyone but him can take it? If Wal-Mart sold on the internet, would Sam Walton himself have to go down to the post office every time someone hit 'buy it now'? I'm a sole proprietor.......only I can take a firearms shipment to the post office. A licensee who is a corporation, LLC, etc may designate an employee to do the same. Find a better fucking example than a dead man. Ok. Show me where it says there has to be a designated person. What are the qualifications to be a designated person? I saw no verbiage about 'designated or authorized person, personell, trustee, or employee anywhere related to shipping. For fucks sake......the same regulations apply to ANY AND ALL TRANSFERS.....not just shipping! Ok, smart guy........read this:https://www.atf.gov/files/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2010-1.pdf 18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2): INTERSTATE CONTROLS
18 U.S.C. 922(b)(3): INTERSTATE CONTROLS 18 U.S.C. 922(t): TRANSFER TO UNLICENSED PERSONS 18 U.S.C. 923(g)(1)(A): REQUIRED RECORDS 27 CFR 478.124: FIREARMS TRANSACTION RECORD 27 CFR 478.125: FIREARMS RECEIPT AND DISPOSITION RECORD The temporary assignment of a firearm by an FFL to its unlicensed employees for bona fide business purposes, where the actual custody of the firearm is transferred for a limited period of time, and where title and control of the firearm remain with the FFL, is not a transfer for purposes of the Gun Control Act, and, accordingly, the FFL need not contact NICS for a background check, record a bound book disposition entry, nor complete an ATF Form 4473. The temporary assignment of a firearm by an FFL to its unlicensed agents, contractors, volunteers, or any other person who is not an employee of the FFL, even for bona fide business purposes, is a transfer or disposition for purposes of the Gun Control Act, and, accordingly, the FFL must contact NICS for a background check, record a disposition entry, and complete an ATF Form 4473. Revenue Ruling 69-248 is superseded and ATF Ruling 73-19 is modified. Industry Circular 72-23 is no longer in effect. ATF Rul. 2010-1 The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has received inquiries from firearms industry members asking whether the temporary assignment of a firearm by a Federal firearms licensee (FFL) to certain unlicensed persons constitutes a “transfer” under Federal law, thus requiring the FFL to contact the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) prior to assigning firearms to such persons. FFLs use employees and sometimes the services of certain unlicensed persons, such as writers, evaluators, consultants, attorneys, engineers, and sales representatives, to carry out their business operations. In the course of their employment or contracted services, such persons may, for example, research, examine, photograph, and evaluate firearms on behalf of FFLs. The Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA), Title 18, United States Code (U.S.C.), Chapter 44, imposes Federal controls on FFLs who transfer firearms in interstate commerce. Section 922(a)(2) makes it unlawful for an FFL to ship or transport in interstate or foreign commerce any firearm to a person other than an FFL. Section 922(b)(3) makes it unlawful for an FFL to sell or deliver a firearm to a person he or she knows does not reside in the State in which the FFL’s place of business is located. Additionally, under 18 U.S.C. 923(g)(1)(A), each FFL must maintain records of importation, production, shipment, receipt, sale, or other disposition of firearms at its place of business as prescribed by regulation. Federal regulations at Title 27, Code of Federal Regulations (CFR), sections 478.124 and 478.125, require licensed importers, manufacturers, and dealers to record each firearm sale or disposition and complete a Firearms Transaction Record, ATF Form 4473. - 2 - Revenue Ruling 69-248, 1969-1 C.B. 360, addresses temporary assignments of firearms to FFL employees, agents, and representatives. That ruling states that a licensee may lawfully ship or transport a firearm to its unlicensed employees, agents, or representatives without violating section 922(a)(2), provided (1) the employee, agent, or representative is not prohibited under section 922(g) from possessing a firearm; and (2) the shipment is for a bona fide business purpose, except to sell or dispose of the firearm. Upon completion of the business purpose, the employee, agent, or representative must return the firearm to the licensee. Rev. Rul. 69-248 is limited to situations in which “the actual custody of the firearms . . . is transferred for a limited period of time and where title and ultimate control of the firearms . . . remain in such licensee.” ATF issued Industry Circular 72-23 (dated August 23, 1972) to clarify Rev. Rul. 69-248. Industry Circular 72-23 explained that professional writers, consultants and evaluators were included within the category of agents and representatives discussed in Rev. Rul. 69-248. The industry circular noted that Rev. Rul. 69-248 is explicitly limited to “firearms . . . acquired from a licensee for limited lengths of time and where the title to and ultimate control of the firearm remains in the licensee.” In 1993, over 20 years after issuance of the ruling and circular, Congress enacted the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act (the Brady Law), Title 18, U.S.C., section 922(t). The Brady Law amended the GCA, in part, by providing that an FFL may not transfer a firearm to any unlicensed person unless the FFL contacts and successfully completes a background check through NICS, and the FFL has verified the identity of the transferee by examining a valid identification document containing a photograph of the transferee. In enacting the Brady Law, Congress intended to create a system to help ensure that FFLs did not allow prohibited persons to come into possession of firearms. Neither the GCA nor its implementing regulations define the term “transfer.” The common legal definition of “transfer” broadly encompasses any method of disposing of an asset. A “transfer” includes any change in dominion or control of a firearm, whether temporary or permanent, commercial or noncommercial. A change in dominion or control may occur even when such change does not convey title to the firearm. Businesses carry out operations through their employees. When an FFL temporarily assigns a firearm to an employee for bona fide business purposes, title and control of the firearm remain with the licensee. For this reason, no transfer or disposition occurs for purposes of the GCA. Accordingly, no NICS check, disposition record entry, or ATF Form 4473 is required for the temporary assignment of a firearm by an FFL to its employee. Bona fide business purposes, in this context, are purposes integral to the FFL’s business operations, and do not include permanently assigning a firearm to a specific employee, or loaning or renting a firearm to an employee for personal use. Those are considered transfers or other dispositions that would trigger recordkeeping and NICS requirements. Because FFLs are accountable for their firearms inventories, ATF strongly recommends that FFLs ensure accountability for firearms temporarily assigned to employees. In addition, ATF reminds FFLs that they may not knowingly make available - 3 - or assign a firearm to any person whose receipt or possession of firearms is prohibited under the GCA. Businesses may also support their operations through contractors or volunteers. When an FFL temporarily assigns a firearm to a non-employee, even for bona fide business purposes, a transfer occurs for purposes of the GCA. Temporary firearms assignments to employees are different from temporary firearms assignments to non-employee contractors, agents, and representatives because the FFL exerts a higher level of control over its employees than its contractors or agents. Unlike contractors and agents, employees work for wages or salaries under direct supervision. In an employer-employee relationship, the employer controls not only the result of the employee’s work, but also the manner, training, and hours in which the work will be carried out. In independent contractor or non-employee agency relationships, the independent contractor or non-employee agent has control of the manner, training, and hours of performing the work, and is only responsible for the result. Because an FFL relinquishes control over a firearm by temporarily assigning it to a non-employee, the GCA requirements apply. If the FFL and the unlicensed person do not wish to enter into an employer-employee relationship, certain unlicensed persons may obtain a Federal firearms license from ATF. As discussed above, the Brady Law does not apply to transfers between FFLs; therefore, no NICS check would be required to transfer a firearm from one FFL to another. In ATF Ruling 73-19, for example, ATF determined that firearms consultants and experts may be licensed as dealers to receive firearms from unlicensed persons for testing and evaluation. ATF Rul. 73-19, 1973-ATF C.B. 93. Licensed dealers who engage solely in firearms consulting or expert services for firearms testing or evaluation need not maintain regular business hours or open their business premises to the general public, although they must comply with all other applicable GCA requirements. Held, the temporary assignment of a firearm by an FFL to its unlicensed employees for bona fide business purposes, where the actual custody of the firearm is transferred for a limited period of time, and where title and control of the firearm remain with the FFL, is not a transfer or disposition for purposes of the Gun Control Act, as amended, and, accordingly, the FFL need not contact NICS for a background check, record a disposition entry, nor complete an ATF Form 4473. Held further, the temporary assignment of a firearm by an FFL to its unlicensed agents, contractors, volunteers, or any other person who is not an employee of the FFL, even for bona fide business purposes, is a transfer or disposition for purposes of the Gun Control Act, as amended, and, accordingly, the FFL must contact NICS for a background check, record a disposition entry, and complete an ATF Form 4473. As a reminder, an FFL may not transfer a firearm other than a rifle or shotgun to an unlicensed person who does not reside in the FFL’s State. An FFL may transfer a firearm to another FFL in the unlicensed person’s State of residence, and that FFL may subsequently transfer the firearm to the unlicensed person, after contacting NICS for a background check, recording a disposition entry, and completing an ATF Form 4473. - 4 - Rev. Rul. 69-248, 1969-1 C.B. 360, is hereby superseded and ATF Rul. 73-19, 1973-ATF C.B. 93, is modified. In addition, Industry Circular 72-23, dated August 23, 1972, is no longer in effect. Date approved: May 20, 2010 Kenneth E. Melson Deputy Director |