Posted: 9/3/2014 7:29:27 AM EDT
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I started out using revolvers and carried them for SD back in the day.
When I wanted to switch to a 1911 in 1991. I was told to always check to make sure your JHP feed. So far to this day I haven't found a JHP load that wouldn't feed in any of the pistols that I've carried ! (old school JHP to modern ) I bought a gen 1 P85 back in 1988 but didn't carry it much do to its accuracy. But it was so loose it would feed any load. 1991 Gen1Colt Combat Elite 45ACP Colt Officers ACP 45ACP Colt Mustang 380acp 1996 S&W M5906 9mm S&W M6906 9mm 1998 Beretta 96 40S&W Sig P229 40S&W 2013 HK P30S V3 9mm I cant be the only lucky guy |
| You are lucky indeed. I thought I've been lucky after reading so many negative anecdotes on the internet. I've never had any feeding or function issues with any Sigs (10+, even the P225 with early feed ramp), any S&W's (10+, all 3rd gen), any HK's (4), any Glocks (10+), any Berettas (4), any XD's (4), PPQ's (2), SW99, CZ P01, High Powers (3), Daewoo DP51's (2), Kahr CM9, Norinco 1911A1, Colt Mustang (gen1), LCP, or a Ruger P95. However, I had problems getting anything but ball to feed in a Walther P-5, a Walther P-4, Astra 600, and an MAB P-15 (a whim). Since 9mm JHP hardly existed except for Super Vel until maybe the 70's(?), all but the P-5 didn't surprise me. I really liked that P-5, but nothing I could do seemed to solve it (except some pricy Geco BAT ammo) and I sold it and the other problem children for a loss after disclosing my issues with them. A little work solved some intermittent feeding issues I had in a Taurus PT-100 (a feed ramp polish), a Combat Commander (Series 70) (ramp polish), Bersa 380CC (feed lips on used mags just needed adjustment back to factory specs, strangely this only affected ball and not JHP), 2 Kel-Tec's (fluff and buff), and a CZ83 (new recoil spring and ramp polish). I'm sure I'm forgetting some others through the years. I don't count .22LR semi-autos because the ammo QC (the bulk stuff anyway) is such garbage of late and they aren't for SD. I hope your lucky streak continues, but that you've avoided low quality handguns so far would indicate it just might. |
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I own a CZ82 that will not feed HP but runs flawless with any FMJ round. I have a NAA revolver that will not work with Winchester Dynapoint .22mag but eats any other offering. I own an old Bushmaster AR that functions with everything from Wolf to LC but will not function with Radway Green British surplus.
Always, always, always vet your defensive firearms with the load you intend to carry. |
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I had a little Colt Defender that wouldn't feed any HP round except Golden Sabers. what year was it made . My Combat Elite that I bought came factory throated. But back then there weren't that many JHP to be had. Speer flying ashtray 200gr, Hydra Shok , Silver Tip, Remington 185gr +P I was told that all Colts now come throated from the factory. I don't know if its true. The Remington JHP&GS are the easiest to feed. |
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So they couldn't feed ranger T ammo 230gr standard pressure and 230gr+P. When was the P220 made? I've been told early P220 weren't throated to feed JHP Quoted:
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I have two SIG pistols, a 1911 Tacops and a 220 Combat that choke on Ranger T ammo. So they couldn't feed ranger T ammo 230gr standard pressure and 230gr+P. When was the P220 made? I've been told early P220 weren't throated to feed JHP The 1911 was made October 2011. The 220 Combat was made mid 2008. I only tried the Ranger T 230 +P in both, not the standard load. Also I tried different lot numbers of the ammo. Both guns malfunctioned the same way. The bullet hollow point "petal" hung up on the transition area between the barrel and locking block (220) or the frame feed ramp (1911). The malfunction happened infrequently, about once or twice per 25 rounds (3 mag loadout). When it happens, its a class 3 malfunction and not easy to clear. Its the same malfunction every time. I gave up shooting Ranger T's in those guns. Some SIG 220's were reported to have issues with Remington Golden Saber 230 gr loads due to the overall length of the round not working in the SIG magazines. I've had no issues with any of the Golden Saber loads (185gr, 185 +p, 230 gr or 230 gr Bonded) in the SIGS. |
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The P5 was designed as a submission for the German military, JHPs were never considered because of that.
Mine will function with 124gr. Gold Dots. some will, some won't. However, the P5 has entered that rarefied level of being a collector piece, so I would never consider using it for "social work". The last thing I want is for my now very valuable P5 to end up in some evidence locker and eventually in some cop's home safe. That is what throw away plastic pistols are for. |
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The P5 was designed as a submission for the German military, JHPs were never considered because of that. Mine will function with 124gr. Gold Dots. some will, some won't. However, the P5 has entered that rarefied level of being a collector piece, so I would never consider using it for "social work". The last thing I want is for my now very valuable P5 to end up in some evidence locker and eventually in some cop's home safe. That is what throw away plastic pistols are for. The P5 is that a single stack 9mm kind a like the ole P225?. single stack 9mm Might try Remington GSBMMD 124gr +P Bonded . There JHP are the easiest to feed. |
| I haven't found any feed issues, but I did find a different oddity. The 12 round magazine for my wife's S&W M&P will only take 11 Hornady Critical Duty... It'll take 12 of all the FMJ I've tried, but only 11 of the CD! Crazy, but the first one in sits a little funny and skews the whole stack so you end up 1 short! |
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I haven't found any feed issues, but I did find a different oddity. The 12 round magazine for my wife's S&W M&P will only take 11 Hornady Critical Duty... It'll take 12 of all the FMJ I've tried, but only 11 of the CD! Crazy, but the first one in sits a little funny and skews the whole stack so you end up 1 short! maybe has to do with the insert |
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Never, ever use +P in a P38, P1, P4, or P5. Unless you like cracked slides and battered frames. The GSB +P is a real soft load for being a +P rem says velocity is 1180fps In a G17 velocity was 1047 fps EDIT TO AD ( must be a typo) Normally I only use standard pressure 124gr for practice and SD until I found this load. Dr. compared the GSB9MMD to 147gr HST and 124gr+P HST and the GSB9MMD did every bit as good. Also expands consistently in 2.7 inch barrel sub compact / 4layer Denim test EDIT now that I double check the velocity of the G17/GS9MMD is to low. according to the other forum its 1188fps |
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I have a Sig P-6 that doesn't like hollow points.
But, I have two S&W autos, a 645 and an SC1911 that fed everything and I tried an experiment just to see if it would do it. I put empty cases in the magazines, dropped the slide from the locked position and they went right in. I was really surprised by the SC1911 since I've never seen a 1911 platform that would do something like that. |
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I have a Sig P-6 that doesn't like hollow points. But, I have two S&W autos, a 645 and an SC1911 that fed everything and I tried an experiment just to see if it would do it. I put empty cases in the magazines, dropped the slide from the locked position and they went right in. I was really surprised by the SC1911 since I've never seen a 1911 platform that would do something like that. The S&W 3rd 45acp gen will feed empty cases. My Colt Combat Elite 1911 and Officers ACP wouldn't do it. But would feed all the popular JHP of that era |
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All my handguns shoot everything that I've put through them. If I had an unreliable pistol, I would try to fix it and if that didn't work, I'd get rid of it. I have no room for unreliable guns. So does this mean you never had to fix a pistol in order for it to feed a certain JHP load. |
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The only gun I've ever owned that choked on JHP was a Keltec P3AT. I carried FMJ in it, and I hardly ever carried it. Replaced it with a J frame and haven't looked back. I gave up on 32acp / 380acp a long time ago. Main reason I couldn't find a pocket pistol that was accurate at ranges at and over 15y. My M37 I bought in 1985 could put five rds. into a clover at 21feet and at 15y and 25y I could shoot it more accurately. I'm on my 6th Jframe a M642 . and all 6 were just as accurate as my M37 was. |
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The only one that wouldn't feed properly was a Colt Combat Commander. It choked on HP's, and sometimes on ball. After several attempts to fix it I sold it. I picked up a Star PD that eats everything, even the old "Flying Ashtrays." Man that's sad to hear! When I bought my Gen 1 Colt Combat Elite 80 1911 45ACP back in 1991 , I was told by the dealer it was the first 1911 model to come from the factory to feed JHP. Or Throated from the factory. It would feed all the old school JHP of that era. |
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I gave up on 32acp / 380acp a long time ago. Main reason I couldn't find a pocket pistol that was accurate at ranges at and over 15y. My M37 I bought in 1985 could put five rds. into a clover at 21feet and at 15y and 25y I could shoot it more accurately. I'm on my 6th Jframe a M642 . and all 6 were just as accurate as my M37 was. Quoted:
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The only gun I've ever owned that choked on JHP was a Keltec P3AT. I carried FMJ in it, and I hardly ever carried it. Replaced it with a J frame and haven't looked back. I gave up on 32acp / 380acp a long time ago. Main reason I couldn't find a pocket pistol that was accurate at ranges at and over 15y. My M37 I bought in 1985 could put five rds. into a clover at 21feet and at 15y and 25y I could shoot it more accurately. I'm on my 6th Jframe a M642 . and all 6 were just as accurate as my M37 was. My 442 is the same way. If I do my part with the trigger, it'll put 5 rounds through a ragged hole. |