Posted: 5/25/2014 3:34:16 PM EDT
| Considering a CZ-75, Sig 226, STI Spartan, or Ruger SR1911. If you think there is anything that meets the criteria under 700 bucks, please comment and let me know. Thanks |
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What criteria?
If <$700 is the only criteria there is a veritable mountain of options. Of your list SR1911, American made stainless series 70 and Ruger is a pretty stand-up outfit if you have any issues, plus I'm a 1911 fan. Others to consider, Walther P99 or PPQ, S&W M&P9, Glock17 or 34, XD(M). 9mms that do well and will leave you with money for ammo or mods. |
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Not necessarily set on 9mm. But I do kinda prefer the price of 9mm over 40 or 45. But here lately I have been beginning to consider a .45 1911. Decisions decisions..... I have 2 STI 9mm guns (Trojan and Edge). I LOVE them both! The 9mm 1911 is extremely fun to shoot due to the light recoil. If you are thinking 9mm, I would strongly suggest STI. They seem to make really nice 9mm 1911s and 2011's |
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I already have a walther ppq and a smith shield. I was kinda wanting this to be an all steel gun instead of polymer. I've owned 3 of the 4 you're asking about. The CZ-75 is an excellent gun. The weight of the steel soaks up the recoil very well, and the unique design of the slide riding down inside the frame lowers the bore axis meaning the recoil you do have is flatter than most other guns. There is a reason the CZ-75 and its derivatives are so popular with the race gun crowd. Some people find the narrow slide difficult to grasp. The biggest drawback of the CZ is its factory trigger. There is some inconsistency from gun to gun, and the trigger can be a bit vague. The good news is that there are aftermarket options that fix this and turn the CZ into a monster. The P-226 is also very good. The fit and finish is perhaps the best of the guns you've listed. The trigger is good. Mechanically, the gun has two drawbacks. The first is a high bore axis. The second is the placement of the slide stop. If you use a high thumbs forward grip, there's a really good chance you'll unconsciously ride it, preventing the slide from locking back when empty. The elephant in Sig's room is pricing. They're damn expensive. They may be nicely made, but I can't justify the added cost for a gun with no added capability. I felt I had too much money in mine, and I sold it for full retail during the panic. I might buy another in the future if I see the right deal at the right time, but I don't really miss it too much. The SR1911. The SR1911 is the probably the best option for someone looking for an all-American 1911 without breaking the bank. The finish quality is respectable, and the design is within spec so all that aftermarket 1911 stuff is compatible (with some smithing, because 1911). I haven't had any issues with mine, but I know others have (front sights). Don't let that deter you. Ruger's customer service is among the best. I've never owned an STI, but all of what I've heard about them has been positive. Since we're talking range guns, have you owned a revolver? |
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Quoted: I'm guessing that because you felt the need to elaborate that you're not trolling, deep down inside, you knew that wasn't an ideal suggestion for this thread... Quoted: Quoted: Glock 19. Not trolling. I'm guessing that because you felt the need to elaborate that you're not trolling, deep down inside, you knew that wasn't an ideal suggestion for this thread... A revolver with a 4" or longer barrel could be a nice range gun.
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I'm guessing that because you felt the need to elaborate that you're not trolling, deep down inside, you knew that wasn't an ideal suggestion for this thread... Quoted:
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Glock 19. Not trolling. I'm guessing that because you felt the need to elaborate that you're not trolling, deep down inside, you knew that wasn't an ideal suggestion for this thread... Even I knew that. OP range officer in 9mm or a M9 |
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I've owned 3 of the 4 you're asking about. The CZ-75 is an excellent gun. The weight of the steel soaks up the recoil very well, and the unique design of the slide riding down inside the frame lowers the bore axis meaning the recoil you do have is flatter than most other guns. There is a reason the CZ-75 and its derivatives are so popular with the race gun crowd. Some people find the narrow slide difficult to grasp. The biggest drawback of the CZ is its factory trigger. There is some inconsistency from gun to gun, and the trigger can be a bit vague. The good news is that there are aftermarket options that fix this and turn the CZ into a monster. The P-226 is also very good. The fit and finish is perhaps the best of the guns you've listed. The trigger is good. Mechanically, the gun has two drawbacks. The first is a high bore axis. The second is the placement of the slide stop. If you use a high thumbs forward grip, there's a really good chance you'll unconsciously ride it, preventing the slide from locking back when empty. The elephant in Sig's room is pricing. They're damn expensive. They may be nicely made, but I can't justify the added cost for a gun with no added capability. I felt I had too much money in mine, and I sold it for full retail during the panic. I might buy another in the future if I see the right deal at the right time, but I don't really miss it too much. The SR1911. The SR1911 is the probably the best option for someone looking for an all-American 1911 without breaking the bank. The finish quality is respectable, and the design is within spec so all that aftermarket 1911 stuff is compatible (with some smithing, because 1911). I haven't had any issues with mine, but I know others have (front sights). Don't let that deter you. Ruger's customer service is among the best. I've never owned an STI, but all of what I've heard about them has been positive. Since we're talking range guns, have you owned a revolver? Quoted:
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I already have a walther ppq and a smith shield. I was kinda wanting this to be an all steel gun instead of polymer. I've owned 3 of the 4 you're asking about. The CZ-75 is an excellent gun. The weight of the steel soaks up the recoil very well, and the unique design of the slide riding down inside the frame lowers the bore axis meaning the recoil you do have is flatter than most other guns. There is a reason the CZ-75 and its derivatives are so popular with the race gun crowd. Some people find the narrow slide difficult to grasp. The biggest drawback of the CZ is its factory trigger. There is some inconsistency from gun to gun, and the trigger can be a bit vague. The good news is that there are aftermarket options that fix this and turn the CZ into a monster. The P-226 is also very good. The fit and finish is perhaps the best of the guns you've listed. The trigger is good. Mechanically, the gun has two drawbacks. The first is a high bore axis. The second is the placement of the slide stop. If you use a high thumbs forward grip, there's a really good chance you'll unconsciously ride it, preventing the slide from locking back when empty. The elephant in Sig's room is pricing. They're damn expensive. They may be nicely made, but I can't justify the added cost for a gun with no added capability. I felt I had too much money in mine, and I sold it for full retail during the panic. I might buy another in the future if I see the right deal at the right time, but I don't really miss it too much. The SR1911. The SR1911 is the probably the best option for someone looking for an all-American 1911 without breaking the bank. The finish quality is respectable, and the design is within spec so all that aftermarket 1911 stuff is compatible (with some smithing, because 1911). I haven't had any issues with mine, but I know others have (front sights). Don't let that deter you. Ruger's customer service is among the best. I've never owned an STI, but all of what I've heard about them has been positive. Since we're talking range guns, have you owned a revolver? Thanks for all the information. I do not own a revolver. I have shot them though. Any suggestions as to what would be a good revolver for plinking? |
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I already have a walther ppq and a smith shield. I was kinda wanting this to be an all steel gun instead of polymer. I've owned 3 of the 4 you're asking about. The CZ-75 is an excellent gun. The weight of the steel soaks up the recoil very well, and the unique design of the slide riding down inside the frame lowers the bore axis meaning the recoil you do have is flatter than most other guns. There is a reason the CZ-75 and its derivatives are so popular with the race gun crowd. Some people find the narrow slide difficult to grasp. The biggest drawback of the CZ is its factory trigger. There is some inconsistency from gun to gun, and the trigger can be a bit vague. The good news is that there are aftermarket options that fix this and turn the CZ into a monster. The P-226 is also very good. The fit and finish is perhaps the best of the guns you've listed. The trigger is good. Mechanically, the gun has two drawbacks. The first is a high bore axis. The second is the placement of the slide stop. If you use a high thumbs forward grip, there's a really good chance you'll unconsciously ride it, preventing the slide from locking back when empty. The elephant in Sig's room is pricing. They're damn expensive. They may be nicely made, but I can't justify the added cost for a gun with no added capability. I felt I had too much money in mine, and I sold it for full retail during the panic. I might buy another in the future if I see the right deal at the right time, but I don't really miss it too much. The SR1911. The SR1911 is the probably the best option for someone looking for an all-American 1911 without breaking the bank. The finish quality is respectable, and the design is within spec so all that aftermarket 1911 stuff is compatible (with some smithing, because 1911). I haven't had any issues with mine, but I know others have (front sights). Don't let that deter you. Ruger's customer service is among the best. I've never owned an STI, but all of what I've heard about them has been positive. Since we're talking range guns, have you owned a revolver? Thanks for all the information. I do not own a revolver. I have shot them though. Any suggestions as to what would be a good revolver for plinking? Smith 686 |
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I already have a walther ppq and a smith shield. I was kinda wanting this to be an all steel gun instead of polymer. I've owned 3 of the 4 you're asking about. The CZ-75 is an excellent gun. The weight of the steel soaks up the recoil very well, and the unique design of the slide riding down inside the frame lowers the bore axis meaning the recoil you do have is flatter than most other guns. There is a reason the CZ-75 and its derivatives are so popular with the race gun crowd. Some people find the narrow slide difficult to grasp. The biggest drawback of the CZ is its factory trigger. There is some inconsistency from gun to gun, and the trigger can be a bit vague. The good news is that there are aftermarket options that fix this and turn the CZ into a monster. The P-226 is also very good. The fit and finish is perhaps the best of the guns you've listed. The trigger is good. Mechanically, the gun has two drawbacks. The first is a high bore axis. The second is the placement of the slide stop. If you use a high thumbs forward grip, there's a really good chance you'll unconsciously ride it, preventing the slide from locking back when empty. The elephant in Sig's room is pricing. They're damn expensive. They may be nicely made, but I can't justify the added cost for a gun with no added capability. I felt I had too much money in mine, and I sold it for full retail during the panic. I might buy another in the future if I see the right deal at the right time, but I don't really miss it too much. The SR1911. The SR1911 is the probably the best option for someone looking for an all-American 1911 without breaking the bank. The finish quality is respectable, and the design is within spec so all that aftermarket 1911 stuff is compatible (with some smithing, because 1911). I haven't had any issues with mine, but I know others have (front sights). Don't let that deter you. Ruger's customer service is among the best. I've never owned an STI, but all of what I've heard about them has been positive. Since we're talking range guns, have you owned a revolver? Thanks for all the information. I do not own a revolver. I have shot them though. Any suggestions as to what would be a good revolver for plinking? Smith 686 The 686 is among my favorite handguns to shoot. For range use, I prefer revolvers to semiautos. I like their triggers. I like not chasing brass, and I like the fact that brass is well preserved for reloading. You can load a revolver with a broad range of loads without being concerned about cycling. I can generally shoot tighter groups with a revolver than I can with a semiauto. For basic guidelines, I'd suggest sticking to .22lr and .38spl/357mag guns starting out. You probably want to keep the barrel length between 4-6". I prefer S&W's double action guns and Ruger's single action only guns. Ruger's double actions are well built, but I find the S&Ws to be smoother cycling and more refined. If you decide to go S&W, try to find a used example that pre-dates the lock on the left side. |
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Range gun and revolver...
6" 586, 686, Mod 19, GP100, Blackhawk/Super Blackhawk all in 38/357 For a .22 - The only revolver I really enjoy is the Single Six (or Single 10) because it will shoot all day without binding and needing cleaned. Here is a thought (since it is a range gun) - TC Contender in whatever caliber you want. I can tell you first hand they are very fun in .22, 38/357, 44 Mag, 223, 30-30, and 7-30 Waters. It will likely be more accurate than you can shoot. |
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If the budget is $700 then you can upgrade to the CZ-75SA instead of the CZ-75B. Quoted:
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If you think there is anything that meets the criteria under 700 bucks If the budget is $700 then you can upgrade to the CZ-75SA instead of the CZ-75B. My MIL just got a CZ75B SA and it is one sweet mother F-er... I'd suggest it as it can be had new for a hair over $600 after taxes... I do like the Ruger 1911 as well as the SA RO... I'd be most inclined to find a used SA Loaded though without the adjustable rear sight in case you ever wanted to use it as a carry piece. I hate adjustable rear sights for anything but range use. YMMV... |
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HAH if I had ANY money to spend, I'd go to Buds and get me one of those kick ass 3rd Gen S&W autos on sale for (under) 300 bucks with free shipping, spend the rest on ammo and cackle all the way to the shooting pit. If I just HAD to spend 700, I'd say fuck that Ruger and get me a Range Officer |