Posted: 3/1/2005 11:34:04 AM EDT
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I am sorry to start another one of these threads but here it is... I have narrowed what I want down to a Glock 17 or a Springfield XD 9mm (5in model) I really haven't heard anything but good things about either of them. So what do you guys think? That either is a good choice and I should try them both out to see which one I like better? The prices are similiar also so that isn't much of a point. And if it matters the main reason I will be getting it is for a training course. It is a carbine course but you are supposed to bring a handgun also with 500rds so I guess it is some of both. What do you guys think? I have gone back and forth and can't make up my mind. 
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I own both and in my opinion they are both fine guns. The Glock does have one advantage over the XD. The Glocks finish is much better. The Glock had been around longer and for some that is a plus. In a choice betwen the two buy the one you like the best. I still carry my Glock more than the XD because I just trust it more because it has proven itself to me as being 100% reliable for all these years. So far my XD has been 100% reliable but it has only had about 400 rounds through it. |
You haven't read very much here have you?  Any number of resident Glock-haters will be along any minute to tell you how it will blow up in your hand... then the Glock Faithful will be along to tell you how the XD will rust into pieces if you look at it hard enough.  Point being, you can read some really bad things about almost any firearm on this site.  I can personally recommend the G17 - I have two that have served me flawlessly for thousands of rounds. I have friends who have been very happy with the XD pistols, but I have never owned one & won't opine about them. Good luck! 
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owner of new XD-9, signing in.... Surprisingly, they feel very differnent in the hand. I wasn't that wild about my dad's Mdl 22. I was however impressed with my friends XD, which as of today, I now own.  Edited because I want to emphasize, that the "feel" for me was actually shooting the two guns. I was not impressed with the .40S&W Glock. I was not very accurate with it. On the other hand, I was surprised how accurate the XD was for me. I also firmly believe that the grip safety on the XD is a great idea for CCW. That said, I would probably own a glock 36 as quick as I ended up owning the XD. |
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I've had both......I like to reload.....only one has had a KB......it wasn't the XD. XD all the way. No, I don't hate Glocks....I'm actually thinking of picking up one again. P.S...the finish is kinda wimpy on the XD....that's why I sold my black model and bought a Bi-tone. |
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To me the XD grip safety is a big advantage since I carry my CCW IWB. An accidental discharge from a trigger snag while reholstering would be devastating since the holster and muzzle are so close to my body. The grip safety adds an integral safty measure the Glock doesn't have. In my years spent in various trauma centers and ICUs, I have seen a couple of self-inflicted gunshot wounds by LE Officers related to holstering AD/NDs. These types of wounds are particularly nasty and painful because the bullet can travel the full length of the leg, tearing up muscle, tendon, major blood vessels and bone. They can take months to heal and can disable the individual for life. The grip safety on the XD is a major advantage over the Glock design IMO. |
| They have different grips and grip angles. See which one points the best for you or at least is the most comfortable. Shoot both of them before you buy if possible. You are the one that will have to live with it. I don't think you'll go wrong with either. I just picked up an xd9 4" that had a Robar NP3 finish and will know more in a month or two. The glock I own is out on loan. good luck |
 WHY DO YOU ASSHOLES DO THIS. IT'S YOUR GUN. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT WE THINK. GROW A PAIR AND MAKE A CHOICE LIKE AN ADULT WOULD. IF WE ALL AGREED THAT THE JENNINGS 9MM WAS THE BEST GUN ON THE MARKET WOULD YOU RUN OUT AND BUY ONE? YOU'RE NOT SORRY TO STARTING ANOTHER ONE OF THESE STUPID THREADS. COUGH UP $20 AND GET YOURSELF A TEAM MEMBERSHIP. THEN YOU CAN USE THE FREAKING SEARCH FEATURE AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE "SORRY" ANYMORE.   J |
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Asking some of these guys about reccomending a carry gun is like asking the kid at McDonalds techanical questions about the space schuttle. The typicial "gun test" on AR-15.com handgun board involves them once having looked at one gun in the gunshop. They pick it up the gun and if it "feels" good to them and they like it's "looks" then it is a 100% reliable perfect carry gun. If they pick it up in gunshop and they don't like the "feel" or the way it "looks" or it don't "point" right then it is a worthless piece of shit that only a moron would buy. |
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I realy like the grip safety on the XD, compared to the glock. I know I would not appreciate it as much if I hadn't started using my 1911 as a CCW. It gives me piece of mind that the trigger isn't going to get hooked, caught, ect. I know that this is highly unlikely, but I like the piece of mind. I carry my 92fs with the hammer down on a round, with the safety off. Sinse the 1911, I always feel more uneasy about this; mainly because of the grip safety on my Champion. Besides the accuracy difference for me, the grip safety is a big plus for me between the two. The XD shoots well for me and felt like it fit my hand better. The Glock, while not having horrible accruacy, didn't feel right in my hand, and was more difficult to get good groups. This could be because of the caliber difference, but I didn't think the Mdl 22 had much, if any more recoil than the XD. If given the choice between the XD9 that I just bought to help out a friend, and a Glock 36......I'd take the 36.
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+1 The reason why I prefer the Glock is because that's the one I shoot better and in the end, that's all that matters. Rent both (better yet, buy both) and see which one you shoot better. It will be an easy choice after that because the one you shoot better will more than likely be the one you end up liking better. Good luck |
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I have owned both. XD and Glock. Get the one you like best either looks or feels best to YOU. after reading this thread and hearing some of the true EXPERTS, take all that is posted (including mine) and do your own research on the internet and then make a decision and buy the one you like best. You will be happy with either one. Great choice, but a hard one because both are so darn good. Good luck and safe shooting. SFC Applegarth 13F USA |
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Glock. Just look at the tests (read HELL) Bigbore conducted on his Glock 21. I would like to see any gun out perform that. I have two Glocks and they have been %100 flawless. The reasons I do not like the XD are the following: 1. Firing pin (cocking) indicator-- that little bump on the back of the slide that provides the so vaunted "visual and tactile" reference so you can tell if your gun is cocked or not, is actually your firing pin (striker). That does not sound like a good idea to me to have your firing pin exposed, suppose it took a serious fall and slammed on that...bad news, not to mention one more place for fine debris to get in. 2. Inferior finish-- The XD is notorious for getting rusty relatively quickly. Supposedly, Springfield "fixed" the problem but there is no way in hell it is as tough as Tenifer...not mention that Springfield is simply just the importer. 3. It is made in Croatia-- Most people don't even know where that is on the map, yet alone the industrial stature of this country. Springfield is JUST THE IMPORTER! This is the exact same handgun that used to be called the HS2000 or something along that line and it sold for under $300. Springfield just took a gamble and poured millions in advertising convincing us it "out Glocks' the Glock." 4. Grip safety-- Personal preference. I hate grip safeties on my Kimber as well. If you were wrestling with someone over the handgun, you would have to have your hand in the perfect position in order to depress the grip safety and therefore shoot. But what if you can't get that perfect position... 5. Grip angle-- It is not that I dislike the grip angle or like it for that matter, but what I dislike is people advocating the XD over the Glock because of grip angle. Just because you think it "feels" better does not mean someone else will. I switch between the Glocks and the Kimber with no adverse reaction. My point is, the above point is moot. I think that is about it. |
See one of those experts!!! |
So just because it is made in Croatia you say it's bad? The HS2000 has been proven to be a reliable and well made weapon that has been used by the LE and military in that part of the world for some time now. It was an excellent design before SA put their stamp on it and it still is. Don't discount something just because is is not made in the US, Austria or Germany. There are plenty of garbage handguns produced right here in the USA, and being a foreign made weapon does not automatically make it bad. |
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I own both, prefer the XD. To me, Glocks were what we had to live with before the XD came along. I have about 5000 rounds (mostly lead) though one of my Tacticals and it has performed quite well. No parts breakage or reliability problems. Springfield could improve the finish but that's the only thing I can really find to complain about. FWIW, as one chairborne ranger clamed above, the firing pin does NOT protrude through the back of the slide. The cocking indicator is a separate piece and is not required for the gun to function. I still have a Glock 17 and 19, they are good guns but I probably won't buy another one. |
How do you reholster without having a hand on the grip safety? Do you use your fingertips? It seems to me that this would only be a problem with Kydex or holsters of the type where it retains the gun off the trigger guard. Couldn't you just get a leather holster that doesn't intrude on the trigger guard? |
It's a slim in- the-waist band holster that I wear inside my pant s right/rear quarter - In order to seat the weapon firmly, you would not be able to grip the grip or it wouldn't go in all the way(the top of the grip sits on the waistband), so you have to put it in 3/4 of the way, then push it in the rest of the way with your palm, seating it firmly. You could grip the grip saftety if you really wanted to but it's fairly easy to holster without gripping the grip safety. There is really no intrusion on the trigger guard with this holster, but I just like that added passive safety as an extra measure. |
You dont know what the hell you are talking about. The striker and the indicator are two seperate parts. Also, the guide that the indicator fits through, that is located in the locking plate at the rear of the slide has a pretty close fit, you'd be hard pressed to get anything bigger than a fairy fart in there, let alone sand/dust/grit of any type. Also, the XD will function fine with a broken or missing indicator pin. As for bumping it, dropping it or otherwise forcing the pistol to go off, you'd be hard pressed to make that happen given the grip saftey and internal "drop" or striker saftey--you would have to be holding the gun in a firing grip, with the trigger pulled fully to the rear to get it to go off if the indicator was struck hard enough to somehow break the sear or striker contact surfaces... but in that case the chamber would have to be empty(considering that you cannot have the trigger in the full rear position, with the striker cocked, a live round in the chamber, with the trigger bar engaging the striker saftey lever) and the gun pointed in a safe direction (you have a firing grip on the pistol, right?) If you had ever actually taken an XD apart, and learned how they work, you wouldn't be spouting such nonsense and being such a blowhard. IF you like glocks go ahead and carry a glock, you can even say good things about them, but dont start rumors and shoot your mouth off about things you dont know.  In order to fire, three safteies must be disengaged: 1--the grip saftey must be depressed in order for the sear, the trigger bar (and trigger itself), and the striker saftey lever to move... 2--the trigger saftey must be depressed with the trigger, allowing the trigger bar to move rearward which moves the... 3--striker safety lever upwards and disengaes a physical stop in the path of the striker and starts to release the sear, which allows the striker, un-impeded by the striker saftey, to move forward and discharge a cartridge in the chamber. While we are at it, the loaded chamber indicator is just that.. and not the extractor, as many assume the first time they see an XD. The extractor is of the internal type, like the old workhorse 1911's touted by most pistol gurus. Again, the XD will function fine with a broken or missing indicator. ETA: www.springfield-armory.com/Manuals/XDManual.pdf shows the XD manual, and a parts diagram... if anyone wants more detailed pictures of XD internals, check here: www.xd-hs2000.com/disassembly/disassembly.html ETAx2: I have two XD pistols and I'm very happy with them, yes the finish coudl be better, but with minimal maintenance I havnt had any problems with mine, and both are carry guns. Try out both guns, and see what you like. The Glock 9mm's are good pistols too, I just dont care for the grip angle, or crappy plastic factory sights. YMMV |
The easy way to get your hand up off the grip saftey is to place your thumb on the rear of the slide, ala-glock reholster... as if you were trying to keep the slide in battery while reholstering into a a tight fitting holster. This may or may not work for you, depending on your grip and hands. Works for me and is my SOP when reholstering. I might be able to get a pic illustrating this if someone needs it. |
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Well then, my mistake. I have been misinformed by yet another gun rag: Guns and Ammo Annual 2003, page 69 top. It says "when cocked, the firing pin protrudes from the back of the XD providing a tactile and visual indicator of readiness." Thank you for clarifying. However, my subjective analysis still stands. 
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