[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Which Handgun For SHTF? (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 7/1/2013 2:57:41 PM EDT
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If you only had $1K for a handgun for when the SHTF, what would it be? The $1K is only for the handgun and not magazines, holsters, ammunition.
My choice would be the Heckler & Koch HK45 due to the reliability and also the caliber (big & subsonic for suppressor use) |
The HK45 is a great pistol, however it would not be my first choice for a SHTF weapon. I would go with a glock 9mm simply for the parts availability, cheap ammo to practice with and cheap magazines. I know it may not be the sexiest, but if it was a dedicated SHTF pistol, that is what i would go with. After you get the glock, then of course you can go ahead and pick up an HK45 to play with 
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The HK45 is a great pistol, however it would not be my first choice for a SHTF weapon. I would go with a glock 9mm simply for the parts availability, cheap ammo to practice with and cheap magazines. I know it may not be the sexiest, but if it was a dedicated SHTF pistol, that is what i would go with. After you get the glock, then of course you can go ahead and pick up an HK45 to play with I like your reasoning! I wish I could like Glock but I shoot my HK's and Sig's much better than my 17. |
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Glock 17, 19, 22, 23, 34, or 35 $1000 will get you a pair with enough left over to put night sights on both if you buy used. This. I would use $1000 to buy 2 of the same gun, plus some spare parts. Since the S has HTF, you can't count on "widespread availability" of parts to matter for anything; so I don't think it would need to be a Glock. Its not like you can get on the Internet and order new parts. You just need something that has a decent reputation for being fairly dependable, and something you would feel comfortable taking apart and repairing small parts yourself. |
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Glock 22/23 or Beretta 92 due to supply of police and military parts and mags that will be around. I own neither. I own a Glock 17 and Sig P226 left over from my JBT days. Glock .40 would be a better investment now due to reasons cited above. Whatever you carry, train with it and keep spare guns, mags and parts. |
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If you only had $1K for a handgun for when the SHTF, what would it be? The $1K is only for the handgun and not magazines, holsters, ammunition. My choice would be the Heckler & Koch HK45 due to the reliability and also the caliber (big & subsonic for suppressor use) Probably a S&W Nightguard. It is .38/.357 so you can use 2 kinds of ammo. It is a revolver, so it is more reliable than DA/SA Autos, and of course obviously more reliable than striker fired guns. Plus it is an 8 shot revolver, so you have quite a bit of firepower. |
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Noticed a trend last several times there has been a "run" on guns due to elections, disasters, mass shootings, legislative threats, etc, etc. The 9mm Glocks are the FIRST handguns bought and sell out first. Even the "i'll never own a Glock" crowd, runs out and buys a Glock and as many magazines as they can get their hands on. The prices on them then shoot up to insane levels on the EE. They just become in demand because their utility is suddenly at a premium over anything else in the market that doesn't have the practical servicability or ubiquitous presence of the Glock. |
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If you only had $1K for a handgun for when the SHTF, what would it be? The $1K is only for the handgun and not magazines, holsters, ammunition. My choice would be the Heckler & Koch HK45 due to the reliability and also the caliber (big & subsonic for suppressor use) Probably a S&W Nightguard. It is .38/.357 so you can use 2 kinds of ammo. It is a revolver, so it is more reliable than DA/SA Autos, and of course obviously more reliable than striker fired guns. Plus it is an 8 shot revolver, so you have quite a bit of firepower. B.S. Revolvers are more finicky than modern-day semi autos. This has been proven time and time again. Glock 17/19 or HK45 |
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If you only had $1K for a handgun for when the SHTF, what would it be? The $1K is only for the handgun and not magazines, holsters, ammunition. My choice would be the Heckler & Koch HK45 due to the reliability and also the caliber (big & subsonic for suppressor use) Probably a S&W Nightguard. It is .38/.357 so you can use 2 kinds of ammo. It is a revolver, so it is more reliable than DA/SA Autos, and of course obviously more reliable than striker fired guns. Plus it is an 8 shot revolver, so you have quite a bit of firepower. B.S. Revolvers are more finicky than modern-day semi autos. This has been proven time and time again. Glock 17/19 or HK45 Yup. And a scandium framed revolver is an even worse idea |
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If you only had $1K for a handgun for when the SHTF, what would it be? The $1K is only for the handgun and not magazines, holsters, ammunition. My choice would be the Heckler & Koch HK45 due to the reliability and also the caliber (big & subsonic for suppressor use) Probably a S&W Nightguard. It is .38/.357 so you can use 2 kinds of ammo. It is a revolver, so it is more reliable than DA/SA Autos, and of course obviously more reliable than striker fired guns. Plus it is an 8 shot revolver, so you have quite a bit of firepower. 
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While I see a lot of people touting 9mm for a shtf gun I'm going to have to disagree. While 9s are very effective with modern hollow points the round isnt all that great when you are limited to fmj ball ammo, which is what will make up the vast majority of ammo most people have and can possibly find. When limited to fmj ball only I feel you do get increased performance out of a 40 or 45. So I'm gunna go ahead and say glock 21 or 22 You are better off stocking your own ammo. The concept of "battlefield pickups" is ludicrous. Think of a Katrina type even, not mad max. |
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While I see a lot of people touting 9mm for a shtf gun I'm going to have to disagree. While 9s are very effective with modern hollow points the round isnt all that great when you are limited to fmj ball ammo, which is what will make up the vast majority of ammo most people have and can possibly find. When limited to fmj ball only I feel you do get increased performance out of a 40 or 45. So I'm gunna go ahead and say glock 21 or 22 You are better off stocking your own ammo. The concept of "battlefield pickups" is ludicrous. Think of a Katrina type even, not mad max. Agreed, but what do most people have more of on hand at any given time. High quality hollow points or fmj ball ammo? and while it may only be a Katrina time length event it also may not be, we never know exactly how long a shtf event will last. May as well be ready for the long haul in the off chance that what happens will have lasting effects |
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While I see a lot of people touting 9mm for a shtf gun I'm going to have to disagree. While 9s are very effective with modern hollow points the round isnt all that great when you are limited to fmj ball ammo, which is what will make up the vast majority of ammo most people have and can possibly find. When limited to fmj ball only I feel you do get increased performance out of a 40 or 45. So I'm gunna go ahead and say glock 21 or 22 You are better off stocking your own ammo. The concept of "battlefield pickups" is ludicrous. Think of a Katrina type even, not mad max. Agreed, but what do most people have more of on hand at any given time. High quality hollow points or fmj ball ammo? and while it may only be a Katrina time length event it also may not be, we never know exactly how long a shtf event will last. May as well be ready for the long hall in the off chance that what happens will have lasting effects I kind of see what you are saying, but I guess if the world as we know it is coming to an end, I don't see myself saying "Oh shit, I'm stuck with thousands of rounds of this shitty ball ammo for my 9mm - how will I ever survive?" There will be more pressing concerns on my mind. |
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While I see a lot of people touting 9mm for a shtf gun I'm going to have to disagree. While 9s are very effective with modern hollow points the round isnt all that great when you are limited to fmj ball ammo, which is what will make up the vast majority of ammo most people have and can possibly find. When limited to fmj ball only I feel you do get increased performance out of a 40 or 45. So I'm gunna go ahead and say glock 21 or 22 You are better off stocking your own ammo. The concept of "battlefield pickups" is ludicrous. Think of a Katrina type even, not mad max. Agreed, but what do most people have more of on hand at any given time. High quality hollow points or fmj ball ammo? and while it may only be a Katrina time length event it also may not be, we never know exactly how long a shtf event will last. May as well be ready for the long hall in the off chance that what happens will have lasting effects Start stocking up. Packing away 300-500 rounds of hollow points isnt that much in grand scheme of preps How many gunfights do you think you will survive ? |
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While I see a lot of people touting 9mm for a shtf gun I'm going to have to disagree. While 9s are very effective with modern hollow points the round isnt all that great when you are limited to fmj ball ammo, which is what will make up the vast majority of ammo most people have and can possibly find. When limited to fmj ball only I feel you do get increased performance out of a 40 or 45. So I'm gunna go ahead and say glock 21 or 22 You are better off stocking your own ammo. The concept of "battlefield pickups" is ludicrous. Think of a Katrina type even, not mad max. Agreed, but what do most people have more of on hand at any given time. High quality hollow points or fmj ball ammo? and while it may only be a Katrina time length event it also may not be, we never know exactly how long a shtf event will last. May as well be ready for the long hall in the off chance that what happens will have lasting effects Start stocking up. Packing away 300-500 rounds of hollow points isnt that much in grand scheme of preps How many gunfights do you think you will survive ? I have more than enough  just wanting to add another view point to the debate and something for people to consider.
from my experience it seems a lot of people only have a box or two of self defense rounds and the rest is target ammo and those are the people my post is aimed at mostly. |
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While I see a lot of people touting 9mm for a shtf gun I'm going to have to disagree. While 9s are very effective with modern hollow points the round isnt all that great when you are limited to fmj ball ammo, which is what will make up the vast majority of ammo most people have and can possibly find. When limited to fmj ball only I feel you do get increased performance out of a 40 or 45. So I'm gunna go ahead and say glock 21 or 22 You are better off stocking your own ammo. The concept of "battlefield pickups" is ludicrous. Think of a Katrina type even, not mad max. Agreed, but what do most people have more of on hand at any given time. High quality hollow points or fmj ball ammo? and while it may only be a Katrina time length event it also may not be, we never know exactly how long a shtf event will last. May as well be ready for the long hall in the off chance that what happens will have lasting effects I kind of see what you are saying, but I guess if the world as we know it is coming to an end, I don't see myself saying "Oh shit, I'm stuck with thousands of rounds of this shitty ball ammo for my 9mm - how will I ever survive?" There will be more pressing concerns on my mind. In that situation your handgun is your backup anyway. You shouldn't need nearly as much handgun ammo as rifle ammo. If your "SHTF" gear only includes a handgun, you're doing it wrong. |
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If you only had $1K for a handgun for when the SHTF, what would it be? The $1K is only for the handgun and not magazines, holsters, ammunition. My choice would be the Heckler & Koch HK45 due to the reliability and also the caliber (big & subsonic for suppressor use) Probably a S&W Nightguard. It is .38/.357 so you can use 2 kinds of ammo. It is a revolver, so it is more reliable than DA/SA Autos, and of course obviously more reliable than striker fired guns. Plus it is an 8 shot revolver, so you have quite a bit of firepower. B.S. Revolvers are more finicky than modern-day semi autos. This has been proven time and time again. Glock 17/19 or HK45 Yup. And a scandium framed revolver is an even worse idea Well, lets look at context. Are we talking about a Combat handgun, or a Defense handgun? If SHTF, I doubt anyone will want to go into open combat. I'll have my 10/22 and a few thousand rounds in my pack and a revolver for defense. If we're talking combat, I wouldn't trust any other gun to my CZ75. It's just too proven of a system to want anything else. Besides, I'd rather have all steel or even scandium before plastic, especially for heavy use in combat. Had an MP buddy who said he carried a glock when he did personal protection details, and he had an MP5. Said nothing beat carry lots of lightweight rounds and he had the frame of his block break while he was overseas. Definitely led me to selling my polymer plastic guns. All Steel or No Deal for me. At least for service guns. And Revolvers don't jam, maintenance is easy, and you can't run out of mags. So finicky it may be, but limited it is not. |
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You are better off concerning your self with food, water, medical supplies, and shelter.
Any firearm will be a deterrent, but a gunfight or defense of property will not be your immediate concern. That being said, the firearm that fills the most rolls. 12 gauge shotgun. Defense, and hunting. |
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If you only had $1K for a handgun for when the SHTF, what would it be? The $1K is only for the handgun and not magazines, holsters, ammunition. My choice would be the Heckler & Koch HK45 due to the reliability and also the caliber (big & subsonic for suppressor use) Probably a S&W Nightguard. It is .38/.357 so you can use 2 kinds of ammo. It is a revolver, so it is more reliable than DA/SA Autos, and of course obviously more reliable than striker fired guns. Plus it is an 8 shot revolver, so you have quite a bit of firepower. B.S. Revolvers are more finicky than modern-day semi autos. This has been proven time and time again. Glock 17/19 or HK45 Yup. And a scandium framed revolver is an even worse idea Well, lets look at context. Are we talking about a Combat handgun, or a Defense handgun? If SHTF, I doubt anyone will want to go into open combat. I'll have my 10/22 and a few thousand rounds in my pack and a revolver for defense. If we're talking combat, I wouldn't trust any other gun to my CZ75. It's just too proven of a system to want anything else. Besides, I'd rather have all steel or even scandium before plastic, especially for heavy use in combat. Had an MP buddy who said he carried a glock when he did personal protection details, and he had an MP5. Said nothing beat carry lots of lightweight rounds and he had the frame of his block break while he was overseas. Definitely led me to selling my polymer plastic guns. All Steel or No Deal for me. At least for service guns. And Revolvers don't jam, maintenance is easy, and you can't run out of mags. So finicky it may be, but limited it is not. Great point about revolvers. Much more likely to work with reloads than semi's. A .357magnum can use a couple types of ammo. I like a Model 19 or 66. They will still probably be functioning decades later than the Glocks. |
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While I see a lot of people touting 9mm for a shtf gun I'm going to have to disagree. While 9s are very effective with modern hollow points the round isnt all that great when you are limited to fmj ball ammo, which is what will make up the vast majority of ammo most people have and can possibly find. When limited to fmj ball only I feel you do get increased performance out of a 40 or 45. So I'm gunna go ahead and say glock 21 or 22 You are better off stocking your own ammo. The concept of "battlefield pickups" is ludicrous. Think of a Katrina type even, not mad max. Agreed, but what do most people have more of on hand at any given time. High quality hollow points or fmj ball ammo? and while it may only be a Katrina time length event it also may not be, we never know exactly how long a shtf event will last. May as well be ready for the long hall in the off chance that what happens will have lasting effects I kind of see what you are saying, but I guess if the world as we know it is coming to an end, I don't see myself saying "Oh shit, I'm stuck with thousands of rounds of this shitty ball ammo for my 9mm - how will I ever survive?" There will be more pressing concerns on my mind. In that situation your handgun is your backup anyway. You shouldn't need nearly as much handgun ammo as rifle ammo. If your "SHTF" gear only includes a handgun, you're doing it wrong. My most likely "SHTF" scenarios include situations where a concealed handgun is your primary and carrying a carbine makes you a target from a local police force desperate to maintain control. Obviously each situation would be unique, but I'm not seeing total breakdowns, but rather an enhanced "heavy CCW " situation as you try to go about your lives caught in the middle of a provoked unprepared minority along with an over stressed and under staffed police force. I do have a nasty little SBR and an little Sub2000 for the right situationsa as well 
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Great point about revolvers. Much more likely to work with reloads than semi's. A .357magnum can use a couple types of ammo. I like a Model 19 or 66. They will still probably be functioning decades later than the Glocks. Very simple. Nothing to go wrong here. 
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If you only had $1K for a handgun for when the SHTF, what would it be? The $1K is only for the handgun and not magazines, holsters, ammunition. My choice would be the Heckler & Koch HK45 due to the reliability and also the caliber (big & subsonic for suppressor use) Good choice IMHO. Stick with it. 
HK engineers and produces possibly the finest production pistols in the world. Accurate, uber reliable with a lifetime warranty and excellent customer service. |
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Glock 17 Noticed a trend last several times there has been a "run" on guns due to elections, disasters, mass shootings, legislative threats, etc, etc. The 9mm Glocks are the FIRST handguns bought and sell out first. Even the "i'll never own a Glock" crowd, runs out and buys a Glock and as many magazines as they can get their hands on. The prices on them then shoot up to insane levels on the EE. They just become in demand because their utility is suddenly at a premium over anything else in the market that doesn't have the practical servicability or ubiquitous presence of the Glock. This is what I've noticed also. I would want a G17, G19, or G34. More expensive doesn't make a pistol better. |
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If you only had $1K for a handgun for when the SHTF, what would it be? The $1K is only for the handgun and not magazines, holsters, ammunition. My choice would be the Heckler & Koch HK45 due to the reliability and also the caliber (big & subsonic for suppressor use) Good choice IMHO. Stick with it.
HK engineers and produces possibly the finest production pistols in the world. Accurate, uber reliable with a lifetime warranty and excellent customer service. Why are you going to do if you have to replace a part? |
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While I see a lot of people touting 9mm for a shtf gun I'm going to have to disagree. While 9s are very effective with modern hollow points the round isnt all that great when you are limited to fmj ball ammo, which is what will make up the vast majority of ammo most people have and can possibly find. When limited to fmj ball only I feel you do get increased performance out of a 40 or 45. So I'm gunna go ahead and say glock 21 or 22 Eh, ball in any of the three calibers is less than optimal. However, the Huns and Brits killed plenty of people with 9x19 ball in WWII. Lots of people doing the same all over the world since then, too. With a few notable exceptions (e.g. Delta in Somalia), I find that the probability of complaints regarding a caliber's effectiveness is inversely proportional to the skill of the shooter or shooters. |