Posted: 11/23/2004 1:32:12 PM EDT
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I looked at an officers Glock today from an adjoining PD, and it was the full size Glock (I'm not familiar with all the Glock models) in 45 ACP. The damn thing held something like 13 rounds in the mag! Does the full size (about the size of the Glock 17) Glock in 45 ACP have the KB reputation that they have in .40 ? |
Not anywhere near as much, but they have been seen. There was a post about a G30 blowing up just today. I sure wouldn't sweat it. Just too many millions of them in service to be freaked. |
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Model 21-It's bigger than a 17, significantly larger around the grip. I have one, but it's a little large for CCW, if I lugged a pistol around in a duty holster it'd be a good choice though. Lots of stuff about Glocks blowing up on the internet, fortunately I only shoot mine in the real world and they work fine. |
I think I want one! I never realized how much ammo they hold! |
Yeah gotta wonder about all those KB storys. With civil liability being what it is, I'd think Glock would have pulled them out of production or would have been sued out of business by now. The only Glock I've ever even read about blowing up is the Glock in .40 S&W. |
Thanks for that explanation, I was wondering how people have KB's with a Glock. Mine is the most dependable gun I own and I bet my life on it every day. This is the first time I have seen an explanation. If people are stupid enough to shoot lead through them they deserve it. RTFM. Why would you spend all that money on a gun and not even understand the basics of how it works.  |
The problem isn't the lead reloads themselves (unless it's too hot). The problem is the buildup of lead over time in the Glocks barrell. You could, hypothetically run 1,000 rounds of lead round nose reloads, even lightly loaded stuff, down the tube and not have a problem. Then go buy some Cor-Bon carry ammo, and within the first 50 rounds have a KB! Now you've got a KB! atributed to Cor-Bon and a Glock, except the real problem was the lead fouling. I still say the only reason not to consider a Glock is if it doesn't fit your hand well. It is an equal fighting pistol to ANY on the market. There are better target or competition firearms, but the Glock is equal to any combat pistol commercially available. 
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So how do you explain KBs in Glocks that have had nothing but factory ammo through them? |
Same way one would explain a KABOOM in a Colt 1911, a S&W 44 mag revolver or a Beretta 92F..... SHIT HAPPENS, reloads get double tapped w/ powder, primers are defective, brass gets loaded once to often, etc......... Factory rounds have "squib" loads as anyone whose ever shot much Remington pistol ammo can attest to...., same problems occur with them that can happen to a reloader..... Mike |
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Went shooting Friday, brought my Kimber & Glock 21. Had one of those freaky days where I was shooting my Glock 21 better than the Kimber. I think I'm going to retire the Kimber for a little while. Here a pic of my Gk21 & Gk17.  I lost track at 9000+ rounds through the Gk21. Not one jam ever! |
ken_mays you beat me. This is a fact. |
Let me see, General causes Lead fouling. Improper loadings. Bullet setback. .40 S+W causes Hi-pressure specs in regular loads Glock Heavy slide (affects unlock) Rifling (non-conventional, better gas seal, so over pressure rounds are less able to "blow by") Non-fully-supported chamber. K-booms happen. In any caliber, or weapon. Glocks are a little more ammo sensitive, lead, than others. Glocks in .45 and 9mm have no greater chance of a KB than any other handgun. Unless the operator is doing dumb things, overpressure, bad QC handloads, lead bullets. etc. Glocks in 10mm have a BETTER reputation for durability than other 10mm handguns. I don't know about .357 SIG or .45 GAP, but also haven't heard anything negative. 40 S+W and Glock seem to interact poorly. |
Oh no you don't. KB in 0.00000009% of all .40 Glocks ever made, vs. 0.00000003% for the other calibers Glock makes= "interact poorly?" WTF, OVER? Analyzing this, you could say that you're 3X more likely to have a .40 Glock KB than any other caliber. By your same line of erroneous reasoning, you could also say that you're 3X more likely to win the lotto if you buy 3 tickets instead of just one.  While the above stats may be theoretically true, I also stand a better chance of being struck by lightning than any of my Glocks going KB on me.To say that .40 and Glock interact "poorly," is pure BS.   Keep on saluting the BS flag by spreading this kind of internet lore, why don't you. The fact is that if you don't do any weird shit with your Glock, read the damned manual, and use proper ammo you will not have any trouble. Stopped counting after my 10,000th round of .40 S&W went downrange in 2002-all from factory bbl'd GLOCK pistols. For fuck's sake Glock-haters, get some new material... 
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Hate to tell you, I own 3 Glocks. 2 G21's and a G30. Love 'em. Would maybe like to get a Glock 20 sometime, you know funds, and timing etc. I shoot 2-4 times a month generally, with the Glocks I own. All have been totally reliable. So, I like Glock .45's. I have seen teletypes from other agencies describing KB's with Glock .40's, and factory ammo. I haven't seen that in any other caliber. In fact some agencies have had multiple KB's in the incidents they describe. It is enough to make me beleive that other calibers would be a better choice when buying a Glock. You can fly all the flags you want. |
Winchester Silvertips here, 52 shots from an NIB G22. Mine were shot in the "real world" too! As far as the 21, a co-worker was inspecting his G21 and we compared the amount of unsupported brass to my P220. The G21 has more unsupported area than the Sig but far less than the G22 shows. I'd think it less a problem with a lower pressure .45acp than the .40 s&w. |
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The G21 that I have runs like a champ. with all 16 rounds in you can use it like a club if the first round fails to fire. Never had a jam even with wolf ammo. had a few miss fires but I atribute that to the cheap assed ammo I was useing. I love it. nothing like having 15 rounds of +P+ HP .45. 
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Where do you get the extensions. Must have. |
Did you happen to shoot in the early 90's??? Glock started the hi-cap plastic wondergun craze, its what theyre best known for. |
Word up brother, if Glocks are so bad then why is the Glock 20 the only truly reliable 10mm factory pistol on the market? Why do 10mm guys trust this pistol over the competition? Check the 10mm threads if you dont know what Im talking about. |
Funny, Oly mentioned that only Glocks 10mm pistols seem to last, compared to other brands. Apparently Glock designed their 10mm pistols in such a way that the pistol is well matched to the characteristics of that round. Why is it so hard to beleive that they didn't do as good a job in another caliber, .40? 1911 style 10mm's don't seem to last. But 1911 style guns are great in .45 ACP. Are you getting the parallel? |
10mm being the hardest of the the choices available in the Glock series you would think if the Glock design can handle 10mm reliably then it would handle anything less of a 10mm also. I dont see Glock as a company that would spend the excess money to redesign a slide or frame just to match one calibers ballistics either, if that was so then there would be no problems with any Glocks because they wouldve done it for all of them. |
Yes! You can! I did two of my 13rd mags with the +2 base plates. I think I got them from TopGlock.com I have had a G21 for over ten years I bought it before the ban. I have fired approx. 3000 rds through it since I have had it. I have never had a problem with it or had to replace any parts, ever. It will even shoot Wolf without missing a beat. |
| Picked up my G21 in early 1991along with a boatload of hi-caps. I shot it regular for a year or two, but it never quite fit my hand right (small hands). Over the years, I've migrated into the SIG & 1911 camps. I don't shoot my 21 much any more, but I still can't bring myself to sell it. The .45+13rds still makes it my #1 SHTF/Zombies coming through the door pistol. |
I hate those damn zombies... |
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Glock .40s tend to KB more than other Glocks because the unsupported chamber combined with the tendency of the .40 caliber to experience severe pressure spikes is really not a good thing. My dads hasn't blown up though, so there is proof that its not a worthless piece. BTW, 10mm 1911s are fine, the problem is the metallurgy of the Colts from the late 1980s. |
USPs and 1911s fit my hand better. Glocks force me to turn my wrist down, if I dont it becomes an anti aircraft weapon. That and the poorly designed and small slide and magazine releases. |
Glock has 2 sizes of frames, "regular" which includes 9mm, .357 Sig, .45 GAP, and .40 S+W. "Big" is 10mm and .45 ACP. My understanding is that the "big" frame was designed for 10mm, then adapted for .45. The 10mm Glock is the only Glock with a full supported chamber. .40 S+W on the other hand, is adapated from the 9mm frame, and doesn't have a fully supported chamber. Also as Combat Jack points out above, .40 S+W is susceptible to bullet setback, which result in very high pressures. I would buy a G20/29 before any other maker's 10mm pistol. I really like my Glock .45's. But I am not so sure I would want a Glock .40. |
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I've owned five Glocks so far, two 23's, one 27, one 29, and a 35. I currently have the 29 for CCW and the 35 for playing at the range and occasional cold-weather carry. Of those four .40's, I've run about 20k rounds through them, total. No grenades so far and, aside from a bum magazine for the 27 (bought it used, not smart) I've had zero malfunctions. The .40 Glocks might have a slightly slimmer margin of safety when it comes to dangerous ammo but, if you think they're "unsafe" then you're deluded. That said, I'm a new 10mm convert. The .40 seems to be a compromise between the 9mm and .45acp. The 10mm compromises nothing. 
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