Posted: 11/6/2011 9:51:29 AM EDT
| Opinions on the Sig DAK system.... Anygood? Pros & Cons... |
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1 Noticeably lighter than a Sig DA trigger pull (~6.5lbs vs. ~10lbs), 2 One trigger pull to learn, with an optional ~8lb (negligibly heavier) shorter reset point. You'll need to learn two drastically different pulls with DA/SA triggers (twice the work). 3 Very smooth along the entire trigger pull from the factory. In my experience, Sig factory DA pulls are kinda gritty (could be fixed with a trigger job, still ~10lbs though). 4 No decocker to mess with. Cons: 1 No single action trigger pull. People who shoot competition or only on the range will probably not like DAK mainly for this reason. 2 Long, revolver-like trigger pull. (You can negate this with the short reset point) In my opinion, DAK is better for carry/defense. DA/SA is better for competition/range use. |
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Opinions on the Sig DAK system.... Anygood? Pros & Cons... I have it on my work gun; can't stand the trigger! I was forced to turn in my beloved Glock 19 I carried forever for that POS. I am glad our new firearms policy was released and I could buy a Glock 17 to go with my Glock 26. |
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Quoted from another forum. This is from "MontyCop05": December 26,2007
Question: "Quote: I am new at this so please forgive my ignorance, but would someone please explain to me what a DAK trigger is? Answer: DAK-(for Double Action Kellerman, after the designer of the system). When firing the pistol the first trigger pull is only 6.5 lbf (compared to 12 lbf for the standard DAO). After the pistol fires and the trigger is released forward the trigger has an intermediate reset point that is approximately halfway to the trigger at rest position. The trigger pull from this intermediate reset point is 8.5 lbf. If the trigger is released all the way forward, this will engage the primary trigger reset and have a trigger pull of 6.5 lbf. To engage the intermediate reset the trigger must be held to the rear while the slide is cycled, either manually or by the recoil of a round being fired. In bare-bones description, the DAK mechanism provides a hammer-fired full-length double-action trigger pull, with complete repeat-strike capability, that is notably lighter than other full-length DAO pull mechanisms. Developed by the engineers at Sauer in Germany, the new DAK trigger system delivers a smooth, consistent 6.5-pound full-length trigger pull that is much closer to the weight of a Glock than any conventional DAO but also has complete restrike capability without any pretensioning or prestressing of the internal firing mechanism. There is nothing magical about the design; everything is accomplished by simple mechanical advantages in the trigger/hammer linkages. The key is that the engineers were able to extend the "leverage arm" of the hammer from the pivot point (like sitting farther from the fulcrum of a seesaw) so that less force is required from the trigger while remaining within the existing dimensions of the P226 and P229 frames. Externally, the only visible difference between a SIG DAK mechanism and a conventional SIG DAO mechanism is that the DAK trigger has a slightly slimmer profile and the DAK hammer sits completely within the frame when at rest, while the DAO hammer protrudes slightly. Other attractive features include the fact that the slide must be locked back and the magazine removed to disassemble, and it can be disassembled without having to pull the trigger." End Quote: |
I've been shooting Sig DA/SA since about 1994....I've never understood why people say that action takes a lot of getting used to. IMO, it is a very sweet trigger system. I started shooting IPSC in '94, and purchased a P226 for just that purpose. Having said that, I've always been curious about the DAK trigger, but not curious enough to change. Yesterday, I traded a GP100 on a P245 DA/SA. Took it out this morning, and it shoots just as nice as my P226 and P228.....one of these days, I'll have to break down a try a DAK.....Guess I really didn't add much insight, but this is just my experience.....
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Have several sigs prefer the da/sa I have in my 229 elite the cop who loves his glock never had to depend on his gun in a war zone they wont hold up get the sig and you will never have to worry will it blow up in my face with this ammo? G This is not my first time carrying a Sig; I carried a first generation Sig 229 for two years and I never had a problem with it. The problem I have is with the DAK trigger. It is horrendous and even after shooting it constantly I still can't get used to it. Plus it is heavy in plainclothes. When my first Sig was in a duty holster it eas perfect. Elevan years later not so much. |
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A properly tuned DAK trigger is very sweet. I've fired a couple, and I've developed a little DAK envy to be honest.
If you've only fired a factory DAK without an action job, I can understand why you might not like it. Many who have come from Glocks don't like it because they expect a similar pull and action, but it's not at all the same. Having said that, many Glock guys LOVE the standard SA pull of the Sig. A tuned DA/SA with an SRT (not short trigger) IS THE most sensical Sig I have ever owned or fired. Slightly less than 10lbs double action with a buttery smooth pull and consistent break, with 3-3.5lbs of single action with a very short pull. A tuned DAK with give a similar happy feeling with a pull that can be under 10 (say 8lbs) with a shorter pull than a normal DA. The trade off is a consistent pull every time. Many poo poo the DAK, Few have spent much time to learn the system, a far less have fired a tuned DAK. And yes, I'm a Sig guy..converted Glock guy. 
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Pros: 1 Noticeably lighter than a Sig DA trigger pull (~6.5lbs vs. ~10lbs), 2 One trigger pull to learn, with an optional ~8lb (negligibly heavier) shorter reset point. You'll need to learn two drastically different pulls with DA/SA triggers (twice the work). 3 Very smooth along the entire trigger pull from the factory. In my experience, Sig factory DA pulls are kinda gritty (could be fixed with a trigger job, still ~10lbs though). 4 No decocker to mess with. Cons: 1 No single action trigger pull. People who shoot competition or only on the range will probably not like DAK mainly for this reason. 2 Long, revolver-like trigger pull. (You can negate this with the short reset point) In my opinion, DAK is better for carry/defense. DA/SA is better for competition/range use. This...very much so. I've shot an H&K with the LEM trigger, didnt like it at all. My duty gun is a Sig 229 in 40 with the SRT trigger. I would have preferred the DAK trigger for the simple fact that its one trigger pull to learn as opposed to two like the normal DA/SA trigger. The two hardest parts of accurately shooting a gun are tigger pull and sight alignment. When you make one of the two hardest things easier, it becomes easier to shoot better. |
| I have about 5000-7000 rounds through a DAK P226 (my work gun). The DAK is smooth and not overly heavy. Its better than most of the DAO triggers out there but I still prefer either the DA/SA Sigs or a Glock trigger. I can shoot it quite well most of the time but I see a lot of less experienced shooters struggle with it. |
| I prefer the DAK over the regular DA/SA Sigs. I know back when I got my one 229 back in the early 90s everyone remarked how good the trigger pulls were on the Sig DAs. I always thought they were terrible compared to other contemporary DAs such as the Beretta 92. My son has a 229 DAK (same as his work gun) and I like it. If I'd ever get another 229 it would be a DAK. |
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I prefer the DAK over the regular DA/SA Sigs. I know back when I got my one 229 back in the early 90s everyone remarked how good the trigger pulls were on the Sig DAs. I always thought they were terrible compared to other contemporary DAs such as the Beretta 92. My son has a 229 DAK (same as his work gun) and I like it. If I'd ever get another 229 it would be a DAK. good to see ya I will have to try one out |
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A properly tuned DAK trigger is very sweet. I've fired a couple, and I've developed a little DAK envy to be honest. If you've only fired a factory DAK without an action job, I can understand why you might not like it. Many who have come from Glocks don't like it because they expect a similar pull and action, but it's not at all the same. Having said that, many Glock guys LOVE the standard SA pull of the Sig. A tuned DA/SA with an SRT (not short trigger) IS THE most sensical Sig I have ever owned or fired. Slightly less than 10lbs double action with a buttery smooth pull and consistent break, with 3-3.5lbs of single action with a very short pull. A tuned DAK with give a similar happy feeling with a pull that can be under 10 (say 8lbs) with a shorter pull than a normal DA. The trade off is a consistent pull every time. Many poo poo the DAK, Few have spent much time to learn the system, a far less have fired a tuned DAK. ! And yes, I'm a Sig guy..converted Glock guy. The funny thing is that my first duty weapon was a Beretta 96 Brigadeer DAO. That being said, i practiced with the weapon and got to be very proficient with it. The Sig was my personal gun that I had converted to DAO for duty carry and was proficient with it. I only started carrying a Glock 19 when I switched agencies in 2002. The Sig 229 was reconverted to DA/SA and has the SRT trigger. I shoot that weapon quite well. My point is that not all weapons are made for every shooter. Every handgun and rifle that I was issued I shot well except the DAK. To me it is an absolute goofy trigger that makes me question what Sig was thinking when they designed the trigger. Who makes the trigger light in the initial pull and harder on the reset? If that is the case I would rather carry a DAO trigger that has a consistent trigger pull. |
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Some people like it but in real use it is a DA/Heavier not as smooth DA . It would have been better if they had just left the first reset point out all together.
DA/SA is the way to go with sigs,grease the action and use a 19/20 pound hammer spring to lighten it up if you want. SRT is nice but not mandatory. H&K LEM is LIGHT YEARS better than DAK, but it is one of those of those things you have to try for yourself |
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A properly tuned DAK trigger is very sweet. I've fired a couple, and I've developed a little DAK envy to be honest. If you've only fired a factory DAK without an action job, I can understand why you might not like it. Many who have come from Glocks don't like it because they expect a similar pull and action, but it's not at all the same. Having said that, many Glock guys LOVE the standard SA pull of the Sig. A tuned DA/SA with an SRT (not short trigger) IS THE most sensical Sig I have ever owned or fired. Slightly less than 10lbs double action with a buttery smooth pull and consistent break, with 3-3.5lbs of single action with a very short pull. A tuned DAK with give a similar happy feeling with a pull that can be under 10 (say 8lbs) with a shorter pull than a normal DA. The trade off is a consistent pull every time. Many poo poo the DAK, Few have spent much time to learn the system, a far less have fired a tuned DAK. ! And yes, I'm a Sig guy..converted Glock guy. The funny thing is that my first duty weapon was a Beretta 96 Brigadeer DAO. That being said, i practiced with the weapon and got to be very proficient with it. The Sig was my personal gun that I had converted to DAO for duty carry and was proficient with it. I only started carrying a Glock 19 when I switched agencies in 2002. The Sig 229 was reconverted to DA/SA and has the SRT trigger. I shoot that weapon quite well. My point is that not all weapons are made for every shooter. Every handgun and rifle that I was issued I shot well except the DAK. To me it is an absolute goofy trigger that makes me question what Sig was thinking when they designed the trigger. Who makes the trigger light in the initial pull and harder on the reset? If that is the case I would rather carry a DAO trigger that has a consistent trigger pull. I went from a Beretta 96 to P229 The Beretta had one Slick slide to frame fit. Its a well built pistol. My sig is just a tad bit better. And for some reason I could even shoot a little better with the P229 Both has D/A triggers Next you tell me Wilderness Belts rule 
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