Posted: 9/4/2011 4:24:23 PM EDT
| Im looking for another handgun. My .22 walther and .17 HMR revolver aren't doing it for me lol. Im wanting something thats reliable, but won't break $900. I was thinking about a glock or maybe a 92FS. I don't like how the beretta trigger pulls, and pulls, and pulls then fires. I have never shot a glock but I like how sturdy they are. Im also looking for something I can shoot all day and it doesn't break my wrist. My dad has a Kimber grand raptor 2 and that thing is flawless. I can't afford that though haha. So it will probably be a 9mm for me. Thanks guys. |
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Smith M&P better than the Glock all the way round and pretty close to the same price point. SW MP line are very nice indeed. I wouldn't say they were better than a Glock though, but that is my opinion. I prefer my Glocks over my MPs. OP, try both and get the one that you prefer. You won't go wrong with either one! 
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| I am going to play devil advocate because all I see if brand loyalty. Do not get me wrong but what works for me and everyone else may not work for you. So many quality reliable pistols on the market and everyone immediately says Glock. I say go find what fits you what you like and stay with the quality brands...... Glock, S&W M&P, HK USP, etc etc and you cannot go wrong. When you stray away from logic and buy what people tell you to buy and not what works for you then you are putting yourself at a disadvantage. |
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I am going to play devil advocate because all I see if brand loyalty. Do not get me wrong but what works for me and everyone else may not work for you. So many quality reliable pistols on the market and everyone immediately says Glock. I say go find what fits you what you like and stay with the quality brands...... Glock, S&W M&P, HK USP, etc etc and you cannot go wrong. When you stray away from logic and buy what people tell you to buy and not what works for you then you are putting yourself at a disadvantage. +1 Good advice. 
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Smith M&P better than the Glock all the way round and pretty close to the same price point. SW MP line are very nice indeed. I wouldn't say they were better than a Glock though, but that is my opinion. I prefer my Glocks over my MPs. OP, try both and get the one that you prefer. You won't go wrong with either one! Apparently you've missed out on how shitty the gen 4's are and the fact that their issues are now tricking to new production gen 3's too. I wont get rid of my Glocks because they work, but I'll be damned if I buy any new ones. For me...I'll be buying M&P's from here on out. If you don't like those, check out HK's. |
| I went to Cabelas today and looked at the glocks. I don't think im a fan of the way they feel and I like a saftey that I can move between safe and fire. You guys keep saying M&P though so I might have to start researching. I also looked at a full size beretta in 9mm. I loved the way it felt and I liked everything about it. Its the military's side are so I guess it must be durable. |
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Smith M&P better than the Glock all the way round and pretty close to the same price point. SW MP line are very nice indeed. I wouldn't say they were better than a Glock though, but that is my opinion. I prefer my Glocks over my MPs. OP, try both and get the one that you prefer. You won't go wrong with either one! Apparently you've missed out on how shitty the gen 4's are and the fact that their issues are now tricking to new production gen 3's too. I wont get rid of my Glocks because they work, but I'll be damned if I buy any new ones. For me...I'll be buying M&P's from here on out. If you don't like those, check out HK's. Yeah... I've recently bought 2 new Gen 3 guns in the last 2 months. I've ran a couple thousand rounds through them already. They run just like any of my other gen 3's and gen 2's. So, I'm going to say that you're throwing out some hearsay. The Gen 4's from what I've heard, have had their issues resolved as well. 'The M&P's have rust problems, I would stay away from those!" See what I did there? The M&P's are nice guns, but I don't see why the "F" they are any more expensive then a Glock, I definitely would not choose my M&P over ANY of the Glocks I have. To the OP. Gen3 19 and call it a day. You will not be disappointed. |
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OP: It would help if you stated what use you had in mind for the pistol. Recommendations for a range gun only vs a carry gun vs a pistol for the nightstand will vary widely for good reason.
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Smith M&P better than the Glock all the way round and pretty close to the same price point. SW MP line are very nice indeed. I wouldn't say they were better than a Glock though, but that is my opinion. I prefer my Glocks over my MPs. OP, try both and get the one that you prefer. You won't go wrong with either one! Apparently you've missed out on how shitty the gen 4's are and the fact that their issues are now tricking to new production gen 3's too. I wont get rid of my Glocks because they work, but I'll be damned if I buy any new ones. For me...I'll be buying M&P's from here on out. If you don't like those, check out HK's. M&Ps have their problems as well. I've owned M&P9s and 9mm glocks in gen 3 and gen 4 flavors and had no issues with any of them. |
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if you are already used to revolvers nothing wrong with starting with a good used smith and wesson k frame (model 10,15,19 etc) or l frame (586/686 etc)
you can use cheaper mild recoiling 38's for practice and jump up to +p 38's (or 357mags if you get a gun so chambered ) for carry. you can usually find used cop guns(outside rough from daily carry but usually fired very little and mechanically perfect) cheap. Everyone should have a general duty and training revolver anyway. In my area shops usually have smith model 10's(fixed sight k frames) for around 200 bucks and the adjustable sighted mod 15's for about 50 bucks more. You can usually find used holsters in the "used holser" bin that just about every shop has for 20 bucks or so. The smith revolvers are some of the most inherently accurate combat handguns of all time, surpassed only by tuned 1911's in my experience. With a skilled shot the smith revolvers will usually do at 50 yards what the "combat autos" (glock sig etc) do at 25 accuracy wise. If you do want an auto a glock 19/17 would be a good choice. |
| This wont be for carry or defense. I just want a reliable pistol that I can put thousands of rounds through safely. Im more of a rifle guy but I have a wallther p-22 target with the end piece and I cannot keep it on the end of the barrel. Im sure I could fix it but I want to move up to a 9mm or maybe a .40 s&w. How are 9mm's recoil wise? And now im leaning toward a beretta M9. I like the looks, and I like the feel. |
| I've gone thru a few 9mms over the years and I've settled on a Glock 34 and a Beretta 90-two. The Glock 34 is the long slide version with a 4# trigger pull, new it was about $650 but I don't see many used. The 90-two was about the same $$$, internally it's almost the same as the 92FS. I think the trigger feel on the 90-two is better than the last 92 I remembered but both were good. Aftermarket support for the Glock is as strong as 1911s, there are a ton of accessories out there. If you can imagine it, someone's made it. Not so much for the 90-two, there's more stuff for the 92FS and a lot of that carries over to the 90-two but for example the 90-two has a polymer grip over a steel frame. The standard grip is narrower than a Glock 9mm and beretta makes a thinner grip but those are your only choices, no aftermarket at all. Both guns live on a diet of cheap 9mm bulk ammo and reloads and both have been more reliable than anything else I've owned. If I had to buy another 9mm I'd probably look at a CZ, I have a .45 CZ-97B and it has the BEST trigger out of the box, the only gun I have that's better is my Colt 1911 and that's had a LOT of work to it. If you're looking closer to the $400 mark I'd also check out that new Ruger full size (SR9?) and a Bersa thunder pro. haven't shot either but they always get good feedback. |
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The Remington XDs are about $550 or so. Very reliable. Don't you mean Springfield Armory? Other options than mentioned: S&W SD9 Used Sig 226 Hi power clone They are not popular around here, but you may want to consider Ruger or Taurus pistols, also, especially if it is primarally a plinker. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Smith&Wesson M&P Springfield Xd or XDM One of those would be my choice. I wouldnt recommend one over the other. Each one has its advantages over the others. M&P has the best grip feel and the option of switching grips. New glocks and XDM's can do this, but M&P does it better Glock has the best trigger reset and feel to me. Glock had 10billion aftermarket parts out there. XD & XDM take the prize on safety and loaded chamber indicators (not that I think its needed just saying if thats your thing) |
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The Remington XDs are about $550 or so. Very reliable. Don't you mean Springfield Armory? Other options than mentioned: S&W SD9 Used Sig 226 Hi power clone They are not popular around here, but you may want to consider Ruger or Taurus pistols, also, especially if it is primarally a plinker. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile DOH! (faceslap) You're right. Cranial flatulation on my part. |
You haven't gotten many responses to your affinity for the Beretta, but they are fine guns too, especially if you are just looking for a range toy. Mags are cheap and available, and they make a dandy suppressor platform.  There are a lot of good choices out there at your pricepoint.
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| I was thinking of every option here but I have about $750.00 to spend. I know this ins't the 1911 area but how are the remington 1911 R1's? Ik remington made them so im sure they are good but how are they reliablilty wise? its in my price range and I like the way they look. Hows the recoil on those .45's? |
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I was thinking of every option here but I have about $750.00 to spend. I know this ins't the 1911 area but how are the remington 1911 R1's? Ik remington made them so im sure they are good but how are they reliablilty wise? its in my price range and I like the way they look. Hows the recoil on those .45's? I have read nothing but good things about the remington 1911s, however in your original post you mentioned the price of .45 acp and that you would be sticking with 9mm. I guess it depends on if you plan to reload eventually, you can reload .45 almost as cheap as 9mm. Same price for the primer and powder pretty much, only the bullets would be a little more expensive with the .45 but all else being equal, the .45 does tend to be a little more accurate than 9mm if that matters to you. In your price range, you should have no problem finding a quality handgun you will like. Like was posted, the M&P is a great line of pistols, a lot of people that dont care for the grip angle of the glock seem to really like the M&P. |
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I was thinking of every option here but I have about $750.00 to spend. I know this ins't the 1911 area but how are the remington 1911 R1's? Ik remington made them so im sure they are good but how are they reliablilty wise? its in my price range and I like the way they look. Hows the recoil on those .45's? If you want something to shoot at the range a lot I'd skip out on .45 unless you've got a progressive press for reloading. Check out a CZ75b. I used to own a couple and liked how they shot, just though there were better options for carry. Since that's not a consideration for you, I'd highly recommend looking into them. There's a reason lots of competitive shooters use them. I'd also consider a G17 or 34 with a competition trigger setup. If you decide to use it for defense or carry down the road, drop the stock parts back in and you're set. |
| Dude, why are you asking us what gun you should buy? Only you can decide that. Go to a range and rent a few of the guns you are interested in and SHOOT them. Only then will you know what you will like. If you have questions about a certain models reliability or accuracy or some other performance question then by all means ask away. But only you can decide what gun will work for you. |
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If you do not like the long-pull of the beretta as you stated, the Glock 19/17 is the polar opposite. Take up minuscule slack, snap & bang, let out until the "click" for reset, and just snap & bang, again, no slack to take-up. It is technically a double-action only pistol, but functionally, it is more like a single-action. The ridiculous reliability and unadorned monolithic handsomeness are just icing on the cake.
It is a tired, but well intentioned and excellent suggestion to start with the G19/G17, and then branch out from there. It is seriously the best "Point A" from where to start in any hand gunning. It is very difficult to pick up bad habits with the Glock compared to other guns because of their simplicity. A lot of guns will probably "feel" better in your hand, but that does not mean that they will shoot better or operate better. Don't buy guns based on how they "feel" in your hand. It's not a pillow 
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Go to the Walther Forum and read up on the Walther PPQ. A year from now everyone will be telling you to buy it because of the trigger pull, grip, accuracy and price. Its on the cover of Guns & Ammo currently. I'll second this - I've had almost all the polymer pistols and the PPQ is by far my favorite. The only thing left to determine is long-term reliability. |