[ARCHIVED THREAD] - +1 while carrying (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 2/11/2011 9:20:44 AM EDT
| Are there any negatives to carrying a handgun topped off with an extra round. I have heard that it could possibly cause a malfunction due to the extra spring tension on the first shot. Does any one know about this. |
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Are there any negatives to carrying a handgun topped off with an extra round. I have heard that it could possibly cause a malfunction due to the extra spring tension on the first shot. Does any one know about this. No. Always carry +1. Only negative is for the guy you have to shoot because you don't have to rack it after you pull it. |
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Id say if this were truly something to worry we'd have known about it by now and it would be common knowledge.
Militaries and police departments carry around fully loaded pistols all the time with no ill effect. Same goes for millions of citizens who CC daily. Remember to take everything you hear with a grain of salt and advice is worth exactly what you paid for it. And carrying with a fully loaded (i.e. one in the pipe) pistol is the CORRECT way to carry. |
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Carrying with a fully loaded magazine and a round in the chamber isn't carrying an extra round; it's carrying a fully loaded pistol. If your equipment is in proper working order it will have no effect at all on reliability. this Yup word homie |
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If you carry it with one in the chambed the DA will have a field day with your ass, as it is a gesture showing a deliberate plan to unload more than an entire magazine on somebody.
You also lose the tactical advantage of resolving the engagment peacefully with the audible "clack" that accompanies a dropped slide and a BG's dropped nerve to press you. And if you bought any of that bullshit, you've been hanging around the "hypothetical SHTF" circle jerk too long. Load, chamber, release, top-off, reinsert. |
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Carrying with a fully loaded magazine and a round in the chamber isn't carrying an extra round; it's carrying a fully loaded pistol. If your equipment is in proper working order it will have no effect at all on reliability. this Yup word homie Yarp |
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Quoted: If you carry it with one in the chambed the DA will have a field day with your ass, as it is a gesture showing a deliberate plan to unload more than an entire magazine on somebody. You also lose the tactical advantage of resolving the engagment peacefully with the audible "clack" that accompanies a dropped slide and a BG's dropped nerve to press you. And if you bought any of that bullshit, you've been hanging around the "hypothetical SHTF" circle jerk too long. Load, chamber, release, top-off, reinsert. Jeebus, I thought I was gonna have to potentially threaten my existence on this site with what I was going to say to this person....until I saw who it was 
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If you carry it with one in the chambed the DA will have a field day with your ass, as it is a gesture showing a deliberate plan to unload more than an entire magazine on somebody. You also lose the tactical advantage of resolving the engagment peacefully with the audible "clack" that accompanies a dropped slide and a BG's dropped nerve to press you. And if you bought any of that bullshit, you've been hanging around the "hypothetical SHTF" circle jerk too long. Load, chamber, release, top-off, reinsert. Jeebus, I thought I was gonna have to potentially threaten my existence on this site with what I was going to say to this person....until I saw who it was I'm still waiting for my blood pressure to drop to normal levels again. 
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So, do you load up the magazine, drop the slide chambering a round, then just add another round to the magazine? I have plenty of mags so I usually just load a mag full and another mag with one round. Feed the lone round from the mag and change to the full mag. I'm actually in the process of taking a "decommissioned" mag and painting "LOADER" on it, filling it with rounds and using it just for loading the first round. I then plan to create a system to rotate chambered rounds through my carry mags and into "range use" after a couple of chamberings. |
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So, do you load up the magazine, drop the slide chambering a round, then just add another round to the magazine? I have plenty of mags so I usually just load a mag full and another mag with one round. Feed the lone round from the mag and change to the full mag. I'm actually in the process of taking a "decommissioned" mag and painting "LOADER" on it, filling it with rounds and using it just for loading the first round. I then plan to create a system to rotate chambered rounds through my carry mags and into "range use" after a couple of chamberings. That actually sounds like a decent idea. |
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You should always load from the mag, do NOT put a round in the chamber and drop the slide onto it. It's your choice if you want to use two different mags, load one, then switch to a full mag, or load off the full mag and then unload and top it off. If you put the round in the chamber and drop the slide on it, you cause the extractor to have to slam into the round and then bend outwards far enough to go over the case, this can damage both the extractor and the case. You round off the edge of case enough and it won't extract when you need it to. Break an extractor and you're in an even worse situation.
Just be careful if you keep loading the same two rounds over and over again. You should inspect your rounds for bullet setback, when the bullet actually gets pushed back into the casing from repeated loading over and over again. The setback can cause higher pressures and has been reported to blow up guns. |
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You should always load from the mag, do NOT put a round in the chamber and drop the slide onto it. It's your choice if you want to use two different mags, load one, then switch to a full mag, or load off the full mag and then unload and top it off. If you put the round in the chamber and drop the slide on it, you cause the extractor to have to slam into the round and then bend outwards far enough to go over the case, this can damage both the extractor and the case. You round off the edge of case enough and it won't extract when you need it to. Break an extractor and you're in an even worse situation. Just be careful if you keep loading the same two rounds over and over again. You should inspect your rounds for bullet setback, when the bullet actually gets pushed back into the casing from repeated loading over and over again. The setback can cause higher pressures and has been reported to blow up guns. +1 |
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I like to load the first round with a dedicated magazine just because I can insert mag, rack slide, change mags with left hand, DONE. 3 steps.
This is a better option and easier than inserting the mag, rack the slide, dropping the mag, set down the gun, load a round in a mag, and re-insert the mag, DONE. 6 steps. I'd rather not set down and pick up the gun. |
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I call it Hollywood style. In the middle of the firefight stand up rack a round into the chamber, shrug your shoulders, and twist the head from side to side to loosen up the neck muscles, now the fight is on!
Train and ALWAYS carry with one in the chamber.................. |
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Carrying without one in the chamber is like promising yourself you will keep your eyes open well enough to see an accident coming and quickly slap your seatbelt on before the impact. No this was not a guestion of carrying one in chamber or not. It was a question if there are any problems with topping off the gun with that one extra round. It's a GIVEN to aways carry one in the chamber no matter what. |
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I always load down 1. Learned that in the military with the M16. Always put 19 in a 20 round mag and 28 in a 30 round mag. Yes I do that too with my aluminum AR mags because with them full the pressure on the feed lips could cause them to spead or widen which will cause mafunctions. Thats why I have switched to the Pmags which allow me to load to capacity and then place the dust cover on which takes the pressure of the feed lips. |
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I always load down 1. Learned that in the military with the M16. Always put 19 in a 20 round mag and 28 in a 30 round mag. Yes I do that too with my aluminum AR mags because with them full the pressure on the feed lips could cause them to spead or widen which will cause mafunctions. Thats why I have switched to the Pmags which allow me to load to capacity and then place the dust cover on which takes the pressure of the feed lips. Quick question, how long can I keep Pmags fully loaded without the cover? Any data on this? I don't intend to derail this thread... |
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Carrying without one in the chamber is like promising yourself you will keep your eyes open well enough to see an accident coming and quickly slap your seatbelt on before the impact. No this was not a guestion of carrying one in chamber or not. It was a question if there are any problems with topping off the gun with that one extra round. It's a GIVEN to aways carry one in the chamber no matter what. Ok. THAT'S where I messed up. I don't look at a FULL magazine as having ONE EXTRA in it. When I see advertisements on a gun's capacity, I see: 10 +1, 17 +1, 12 +1, etc. listed all the time so... |
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i just keep one bullet in my left shirt pocket in case i need to defend myself - then I just pop it in the gun and take care of business. does that count as +1 or is it just 1? Do you perform proper bullet maintenance? Can you pull your bullet out and amaze the rent-a cops with how shiney it is compared to theirs which are probably green with neglect?
And do you really need that bullet seeing as how your whole body is a weapon? |
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I have never had a malfunction with a Glock when doing that. The first one I bought was a model 30 (.45ACP compact) and it was a bitch to get the mag topped off. I was tough to get the mag seated when it was all the way full, so I was concerned that it would cause a malfunction. I tested it several times and never had a problem, nor have I had any problems with the other models I've owned, EXCEPT the short run ambi-mag release that would fall apart (I know I wasn't the only one to have problems with it since they changed it not long after coming out with it). |
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I always carry with +1; maybe in a high stress situation, that extra bullet is the one's that's gonna save you from going to the county morgue. Of course, you do not want to be in a situation where you might expend all your ammo, but if you do, you definitely not want to be the one with the slide locked to the rear and still engaging.
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Carrying with a fully loaded magazine and a round in the chamber isn't carrying an extra round; it's carrying a fully loaded pistol. If your equipment is in proper working order it will have no effect at all on reliability. this Yup word homie Is trhat my briefcase?
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I have never had a malfunction with a Glock when doing that. The first one I bought was a model 30 (.45ACP compact) and it was a bitch to get the mag topped off. I was tough to get the mag seated when it was all the way full, so I was concerned that it would cause a malfunction. I tested it several times and never had a problem, nor have I had any problems with the other models I've owned, EXCEPT the short run ambi-mag release that would fall apart (I know I wasn't the only one to have problems with it since they changed it not long after coming out with it). I do have to agree that Glock seems extra hard to insert a fully loaded mag. Off topic how is the Glock 30 as a carry gun, is it too bulky? I have the Glock 27 now and looking to get the 30. |
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I always load down 1. Learned that in the military with the M16. Always put 19 in a 20 round mag and 28 in a 30 round mag. Yes I do that too with my aluminum AR mags because with them full the pressure on the feed lips could cause them to spead or widen which will cause mafunctions. Thats why I have switched to the Pmags which allow me to load to capacity and then place the dust cover on which takes the pressure of the feed lips. I just do it for peace of mind. The Glock 19 gives me plenty of rounds, even loaded down 1. Extra mag I still have 28 on tap. |
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You should always load from the mag, do NOT put a round in the chamber and drop the slide onto it. It's your choice if you want to use two different mags, load one, then switch to a full mag, or load off the full mag and then unload and top it off. If you put the round in the chamber and drop the slide on it, you cause the extractor to have to slam into the round and then bend outwards far enough to go over the case, this can damage both the extractor and the case. You round off the edge of case enough and it won't extract when you need it to. Break an extractor and you're in an even worse situation. Just be careful if you keep loading the same two rounds over and over again. You should inspect your rounds for bullet setback, when the bullet actually gets pushed back into the casing from repeated loading over and over again. The setback can cause higher pressures and has been reported to blow up guns. That's only true for certain guns. Glocks for example can load straight into the chamber, 1911s can not. In fact, when loaded directly into the chamber you don't need to worry about bullet setback if you load the same round over and over. |
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You should always load from the mag, do NOT put a round in the chamber and drop the slide onto it. It's your choice if you want to use two different mags, load one, then switch to a full mag, or load off the full mag and then unload and top it off. If you put the round in the chamber and drop the slide on it, you cause the extractor to have to slam into the round and then bend outwards far enough to go over the case, this can damage both the extractor and the case. You round off the edge of case enough and it won't extract when you need it to. Break an extractor and you're in an even worse situation. Just be careful if you keep loading the same two rounds over and over again. You should inspect your rounds for bullet setback, when the bullet actually gets pushed back into the casing from repeated loading over and over again. The setback can cause higher pressures and has been reported to blow up guns. That's only true for certain guns. Glocks for example can load straight into the chamber, 1911s can not. In fact, when loaded directly into the chamber you don't need to worry about bullet setback if you load the same round over and over. I'm curious as to whether the Beretta M9A1 can be chamber loaded. Beretta says the open slide design makes it easier to load one round at a time if you lose your mags. So I assume the beretta can handle it. Not that I ever have or plan to. |
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Glocks for example can load straight into the chamber Glock strongly recommends against this as you can chip the extractor. It is never a good idea to chamber load a controlled round feed action. I have done it I bet 300 times. Never had a problem. I ride the slide though and then make the extractor has a hold of the rim. Extractors are very hard metal, and on guns that have a pivoting extractor you shouldnnever hav problems. Between myself an friends I have never seen a chipped extractor in a glock. Have You? Sorry for errors, typing on a nook. |
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Carrying without one in the chamber is like promising yourself you will keep your eyes open well enough to see an accident coming and quickly slap your seatbelt on before the impact. No this was not a guestion of carrying one in chamber or not. It was a question if there are any problems with topping off the gun with that one extra round. It's a GIVEN to aways carry one in the chamber no matter what. Ok. THAT'S where I messed up. I don't look at a FULL magazine as having ONE EXTRA in it. When I see advertisements on a gun's capacity, I see: 10 +1, 17 +1, 12 +1, etc. listed all the time so... The OP said +1, not extra... do you even know where you are at right now? 
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