Posted: 4/22/2012 10:26:39 AM EDT
Ok, I'm thinking about removing my mag safety. I saw this video:
It seems pretty simple. Then I saw this thread: http://230grain.com/showthread.php?1521-How-to-get-rid-of-the-Hi-Power-Magazine-Disconnect-(lots-of-pics) and it looks more complicated. Which one is a better representation of the process? Thanks. |
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The video shows it at its most basic. I'd recommend supporting the trigger so you don't put the trigger pin under a bending load. Sometimes, that mag disconnect pin is staked and it takes a healthy whack to punch it out.
Personally, I remove the trigger, but as you can see, you don't have to. |
| Do NOT hold the pistol in a vice. The frame is very fragile and will not tolerate any pressure subjected to it's grip sides. Get a simple field stripping manual and follow the instructions. It is relatively east to remove the magazine safety and the inprovement is noticeable. Replacing the sear and trigger with EGW's or Cylinder & Slides will give you a very nice trigger. The only thing wrong with the Hi -Power is the trigger pull. |
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If your trigger pin seems unmovable I highly suggest soaking it in penetrating oil at least over night if not for a couple days.
Only way I was able to get my pin out on my FM was to soak it for 3 days and then use an automatic center punch (I got a replacement pin as the auto punch will mar it). |
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More good info to know. Thanks,
I'm still on the fence about this mod. It seems easy enough to do myself, but I seem to have the ability to screw up the simplest tasks. This is my main CCW pistol and I probably should have a smith do it. I'm nervous though as the last two smiths I went to didn't peak my confidence. Thanks for the additional heads up. |
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Yea, if you screw up simple tasks then yea this might not be for you. At bare minimum make sure you get proper domed punch and cover the pin and area around it with electrical tape to protect it.
There are tons of BHP's out there with scratches around the trigger pin because it can be such a pain to get out. If this is your carry gun I suggest you think about sending it to a known BHP smith and have them do a trigger job and have them remove it at the same time... Black paint epoxy HP's are the hardest to remove the pin Blued are middle of the road Silver Practical models seem to be the easy ones |
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I just used a block of wood and cheap hardbor freight punches. Mine came out real easy.
I skippped taking the mag release out. Not sure why that was necessary in the 230grains link. Be careful when you re-insert the trigger pin screw. The pin goes over the trigger spring. When I 1st took the mag safety out I re-inserted the trigger under the trigger spring. The gun would fire but the trigger would not reset.' Figured out my problem and re-did it. Inserting the pin the second time snapped the trigger spring forcing me to get a complete new set of Wolf Springs for the gun... Had I done the Wolf springs over, I'd go with the heavy springs over standard. The standard seem cheap & thin compared to what FN uses. I didn't notice any improvement in the trigger pull but find I like being able to lower the hammer on an empty chamber with no magazine inserted. |
| You might want to think twice about removing a factory safety device from a carry gun. If you ever had to shoot someone with it a lawyer could paint you as reckless and really fuck you with it. I put a reduced power trigger and hammer springs, Cylinder & Slide hammer and sear with a re-cut sear angle and have a great trigger pull with the MS in place. Its your gun and life, so do what you feel is right. Just my 02¢. |
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You might want to think twice about removing a factory safety device from a carry gun. If you ever had to shoot someone with it a lawyer could paint you as reckless and really fuck you with it. I put a reduced power trigger and hammer springs, Cylinder & Slide hammer and sear with a re-cut sear angle and have a great trigger pull with the MS in place. Its your gun and life, so do what you feel is right. Just my 02¢. I've yet to ever hear of this fable ever occurring in a court room. All I've ever heard is they might do this. An awful lot of case law out there. It's possible this has been litigated, however, a number of threads have discussed this and no one has ever posted a link or factual story about this possible phenomenon (that I've ever seen). |
| Again, just my 02¢, its your gun and your life, do with them as you will. I was pointing out a good trigger pull can be had while leaving the MS in place. Not a match grade trigger, but miles ahead of stock. I've had quite a few guys try my HP and almost all remarked on how good the trigger felt. The few that didn't like it were the hard core "gotta remove that mag safety, only way to get a good trigger on those" types. YMMV |
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You might want to think twice about removing a factory safety device from a carry gun. If you ever had to shoot someone with it a lawyer could paint you as reckless and really fuck you with it. I put a reduced power trigger and hammer springs, Cylinder & Slide hammer and sear with a re-cut sear angle and have a great trigger pull with the MS in place. Its your gun and life, so do what you feel is right. Just my 02¢. If you'd thought this out, you could have come up with a more legit possible legal problem: If you accidentally shoot someone with the mag out of the gun. But if you shot someone in self defense and it's a clean shoot, the lack of a magazine safety won't be germaine to the case. |
Uhh...I did think it out, that's why the MS is and will remain in place on my HP. My gun, my life. Your gun, your life. Again, I was pointing out a POSSIBLE fault in removing a safety device on a carry gun. I hope no one has to be the first to get ass raped in court by an overzealous DA or shark lawyer, or,as you pointed out, have an AD with the mag out because they removed the MS. As I said a good trigger pull is fairly easy to achieve with out removing it. And yes I'm aware that John Browning didn't want to put the MS in in the first place, but that's pretty irrelevant now.
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You might want to think twice about removing a factory safety device from a carry gun. If you ever had to shoot someone with it a lawyer could paint you as reckless and really fuck you with it. I put a reduced power trigger and hammer springs, Cylinder & Slide hammer and sear with a re-cut sear angle and have a great trigger pull with the MS in place. Its your gun and life, so do what you feel is right. Just my 02¢. That same lawyer could paint you the same way for putting "a reduced power trigger and hammer springs, Cylinder & Slide hammer and sear with a re-cut sear angle." As mentioned that Massage My Boob Falacy needs to die. A good shoot is a good shoot. |
I just removed my mag safety, it did make quite a difference  and I am glad I did this.
I have heard often "Do not modify your pistol"!!! BUT, the same argument could be used if you join a gun club, or shoot often, or??? I really do not worry about that argument, maybe I should??  That said, I make mods to most of my weapons.
This was a big improvement on my pistol, I did have to pull the trigger from the frame on my MkIII to do this. Best non-cost benefit in my oppinion. |