Posted: 6/12/2009 2:08:35 PM EDT
| Took my new CW9 to the indoor range today to break it in per the instructions. I previously carried a KelTec P32, but decided to replace it with something with a little more oomph. I do outside sales, so I am in khakis and a polo shirt all day. I cannot feasibly carry my Glock 21sf concealed. Anyway.... I racked the slide by hand about 200 times per instructions I found on this site. I am glad I did as there were minute particles of polymer in the frame afterward. I disassembled the CW9 and thoroughly cleaned it with Hoppe's #9. I ran a bore snake through the barrel and lubed with aerosol Rem Oil sprayed on a q-tip per the lube chart in the sticky. (Thanks for that by the way!) I put her back together and headed for the range. I had two boxes of Speer Lawman 124 gr. and I bought two boxes of their 115gr. range reloads for a total of 200 rounds, again per instruction for break in. The first 100 115gr shot with no issues. I fired 50 at 7 yards and 50 at 10 yards, all going where I put them. The "i" sight took some getting used to, but I really like it now. I let the gun cool down while I looked around the range showroom. Then I loaded the Speer. First round jammed when I tried to chamber it by hand racking the slide. I have read this happens in break in, no big deal. Emptied the magazine into the target. On the next full mag, the mag popped out on the third round. It probably was not pushed in all the way or either I hit the release button. Either way, it did not happen again. I fired the last 90 rounds with no issues at all. Man the Speer 124 gr. is HOT to say the least. Recoil was not that much more, but the fire coming from the barrel told the story. I know I should not have used it for break in, but it is what I had and at least I saved it for last. I looked at a Galco ankle holster to use while at work, but it was a little snug (I have big legs.) I am still looking for a good IWB or ankle holster. Went to Bass Pro and used my $10 off coupon to by a box of Remington HP to carry it with. I got home, disassembled, cleaned and lubed again per chart. This is a sweet little gun, I do not think I could have done better for the price. I am going to let these guys coat the slide for me because I am already showing some very light pitting on the top near the muzzle. http://www.oakridgecustomfinishing.com/ . They are close to my house.I like the stainless look, but my hands sweat a lot and my sweat is evidently corrosive. I had the same problem when I used to play guitar, rusty strings. |
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racking the slide can cause ftf with kahrs unitl they get some good rounds down range, asyou found out. They are very tight indeed. For awhile do what kahr recommends, USE THE SLDIE STOP RELEASE TO LOAD THAT FIRST ROUND.
Test this out sometimes. lock back the slide and isnert the loaded magazine and release and watch and listen closely, see how fast and snappy it closes. the sound itself will tell u alot. Now load a magazine and jsut rack the slide to load and listen . The sound is different. it is not a snappy release and therefore not as fast. The slide needs a certain amount of velocity to chamber that first round out of the magazine. After you get the gun alittle more limbered up. youcan rack with ease on the cw9. The mag release iissue beiing a one time thing for you colUd be exactly what you Stated, or you might have also hit the release button while shooting. The mag release on your cw9 is now metal, so it should give zero issues to. Nice gun, IMO kahrs best seller by far, you can't match that gun for the money, or quality and carrying ability IMO...Sounds like your kahrs is almost ready to carry. I recommend a line of grease down The slide rails instead of oil. Oil will run and leave the area a good gun grease will not. the kahr lube chart on this forum is awesome to. It should be your bible for proper lubing of any semi.. Speer Gold dots is my carry round. They shot great and load perfect. Recoil to me is nothing on my PM9 course I also have it magna ported to and that in itself makes this gun a dream gunto shoot. The second shot is right there just waiting for me to pull the looooong kahr trigger.. |
| +1 on that looong trigger! Much longer than my Glock. I am glad that the hand racking issue will go away with time. I do not carry with one in the chamber. I was worried about having to hand chamber a round and being screwed. While shooting today, I did use the slide release every time I reloaded except on the first round of the Speer. I had put the gun up to cool down for a while. |
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Yes i carry my Cw9 only fired 100 rounds threw it with no problems fired one or two hydra shoks the fmj kicked more then they did.
It does have that long trigger pull i need to get use to it but if im carrying it i want that with no safety its a great carry piece for me to carry because im a bigger guy my G19 was to hard to conceal. I'm very happy with mine so for just need to get more range time in with it. |
| Put one more mag through it today using the Remington 115 gr HP. Would not chamber the first round by hand no matter what I did. I guess it just needs a little more break in time. The HP probably wasn't helping either. Chambered with no problem using the slide release, but you have to manually lock it back, then use the slide release. I hope this frees up with time. I do not want to have to worry about that in a defensive situation. To me, it should chamber either way, like my Glock. I still love this little gun. I am taking it in a few weeks to get parkerized and Dura Coated as there is some minute pitting showing on the top of the slide. Don't know if I want to go with a titanium or flat black look. I am also getting the feed ramp polished. I hope the polishing will help with the feeding issues. I still love this gun! |
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Put one more mag through it today using the Remington 115 gr HP. Would not chamber the first round by hand no matter what I did. I guess it just needs a little more break in time. The HP probably wasn't helping either. Chambered with no problem using the slide release, but you have to manually lock it back, then use the slide release. I hope this frees up with time. I do not want to have to worry about that in a defensive situation. To me, it should chamber either way, like my Glock. I still love this little gun. I am taking it in a few weeks to get parkerized and Dura Coated as there is some minute pitting showing on the top of the slide. Don't know if I want to go with a titanium or flat black look. I am also getting the feed ramp polished. I hope the polishing will help with the feeding issues. I still love this gun! the fact that it will chamber with the slide release and not by hand is IMO that you have not mastered racking this slide yet. It for some reason is not as easy as the glock, nor is it as big as the glock either.but don't compare one mfg-er to another, that is not fair to each IMO. The cw is very rackable and you will get the hang of it, and indeed I do feel more rounds down range will help alot. You have nothing to loose by practicing racking at the range, even iif it fails sometimes,as your not gonna learn until you do it enough.. Polishing the feed ramp sure won't hurt a thing either although I do think kahrs feed ramps are the best in the industry as far as finish,but again urs could be alittle ruff to. everything helps. IIMO your doing ok, the only issue that you are addressing is the first round feed and that will and is solveable with time and practice. are u grabbing the slide with o two fingers or trying the monkey paw (cupped hand completely over the top of the slide). Two fingers just doesn't do it IMO. MP way will get u going and youcan rack that way wityh not obly speed but powerl.. another good practice with no bang thing happening is the tap, rack and pretent bang thing with your cw. You can do this wilth a full magazine time and time again. best racking practice and drill u can ever do without shooting a rond even. If you had a magazine of snap caps, u could practice this right in the home. I had a terrible time with my Kahr P380 racking the slide, I mean terrible, I felt the recoil springswere to powerful for such a smallgun and for such a small area to gra ahold to rac, . As one just can's monkey paw the P380 due to its size, so one has to learn and master the two fingers excercise. Just this week, I can say I have now mastered that procedure and I have put over 800 rounds flawless ly throught he gun, VBUT buy ising the slile lock lever to. I wanted to be able to do both and to do both effectively. Just this week, I finally mad eup my mind to work on it andnot just sprodiacally. I went out the the range with loaded magazines and did nothing for a fullhour but tap, rack, pretend bang. It finally came to me how to do it right. Now Ihave confidence in raxcking this little gun also, although I will use the slide lock lever most ofthe time for range use. IMO you are doing ok with your cw, evidently yours is tighter than most out of the box but kahrs are tight to. More rounds will help that to but more than anything more rounds will help you and the gun to mate up better..... |
| 10-4.The feed ramp does look polished already! Even the guy at the Dura Coat place today said it was a good looking factory feed ramp. I will continue to shoot this little bad boy and practice racking the slide. I do have big meaty hands, so will be intentional about how I hold it to rack it next time. Thanks for all of your help. I'm sure I will have more questions in the future. |
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Put one more mag through it today using the Remington 115 gr HP. Would not chamber the first round by hand no matter what I did. I guess it just needs a little more break in time. The HP probably wasn't helping either. Chambered with no problem using the slide release, but you have to manually lock it back, then use the slide release. I hope this frees up with time. I do not want to have to worry about that in a defensive situation. To me, it should chamber either way, like my Glock. I still love this little gun. I am taking it in a few weeks to get parkerized and Dura Coated as there is some minute pitting showing on the top of the slide. Don't know if I want to go with a titanium or flat black look. I am also getting the feed ramp polished. I hope the polishing will help with the feeding issues. I still love this gun! the fact that it will chamber with the slide release and not by hand is IMO that you have not mastered racking this slide yet. It for some reason is not as easy as the glock, nor is it as big as the glock either.but don't compare one mfg-er to another, that is not fair to each IMO. The cw is very rackable and you will get the hang of it, and indeed I do feel more rounds down range will help alot. You have nothing to loose by practicing racking at the range, even iif it fails sometimes,as your not gonna learn until you do it enough.. Polishing the feed ramp sure won't hurt a thing either although I do think kahrs feed ramps are the best in the industry as far as finish,but again urs could be alittle ruff to. everything helps. IIMO your doing ok, the only issue that you are addressing is the first round feed and that will and is solveable with time and practice. are u grabbing the slide with two fingers or trying the monkey paw (cupped hand completely over the top of the slide). Two fingers just doesn't do it IMO. MP way will get u going and you can rack that way with not only speed but powerl.. another good practice with no bang thing happening is the tap, rack and pretend bang thing with your cw. You can do this wilth a full magazine time and time again. best racking practice and drill u can ever do without shooting a round even. If you had a magazine of snap caps, u could practice this right in the home. I had a terrible time with my Kahr P380 racking the slide, I mean terrible, I felt the recoil springs were to powerful for such a small gun and for such a small area to grab ahold to rack, . As one just can's monkey paw the P380 due to its size, so one has to learn and master the two fingers excercise. Just this week, I can say I have now mastered that procedure and I had put over 800 rounds flawlessly throught he gun, BUT buy using the slile lock lever to. I wanted to be able to do both and to do both effectively. Just this week, I finally made up my mind to work on it and not just sprodiacally. I went out the the range with loaded magazines and did nothing for a full hour but tap, rack, pretend bang. It finally came to me how to do it right. Now I have confidence in racking this little gun also, although I will use the slide lock lever most of the time for range use. IMO you are doing ok with your cw, evidently yours is tighter than most out of the box but kahrs are tight to. More rounds will help that to but more than anything more rounds will help you and the gun to mate up better..... |
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Put one more mag through it today using the Remington 115 gr HP. Would not chamber the first round by hand no matter what I did. I guess it just needs a little more break in time. The HP probably wasn't helping either. Chambered with no problem using the slide release, but you have to manually lock it back, then use the slide release. I hope this frees up with time. I do not want to have to worry about that in a defensive situation. To me, it should chamber either way, like my Glock. I still love this little gun. I am taking it in a few weeks to get parkerized and Dura Coated as there is some minute pitting showing on the top of the slide. Don't know if I want to go with a titanium or flat black look. I am also getting the feed ramp polished. I hope the polishing will help with the feeding issues. I still love this gun! the fact that it will chamber with the slide release and not by hand is IMO that you have not mastered racking this slide yet. It for some reason is not as easy as the glock, nor is it as big as the glock either.but don't compare one mfg-er to another, that is not fair to each IMO. The cw is very rackable and you will get the hang of it, and indeed I do feel more rounds down range will help alot. You have nothing to loose by practicing racking at the range, even iif it fails sometimes,as your not gonna learn until you do it enough.. Polishing the feed ramp sure won't hurt a thing either although I do think kahrs feed ramps are the best in the industry as far as finish,but again urs could be alittle ruff to. everything helps. IIMO your doing ok, the only issue that you are addressing is the first round feed and that will and is solveable with time and practice. are u grabbing the slide with two fingers or trying the monkey paw (cupped hand completely over the top of the slide). Two fingers just doesn't do it IMO. MP way will get u going and you can rack that way with not only speed but powerl.. another good practice with no bang thing happening is the tap, rack and pretend bang thing with your cw. You can do this wilth a full magazine time and time again. best racking practice and drill u can ever do without shooting a round even. If you had a magazine of snap caps, u could practice this right in the home. I had a terrible time with my Kahr P380 racking the slide, I mean terrible, I felt the recoil springs were to powerful for such a small gun and for such a small area to grab ahold to rack, . As one just can's monkey paw the P380 due to its size, so one has to learn and master the two fingers excercise. Just this week, I can say I have now mastered that procedure and I had put over 800 rounds flawlessly throught he gun, BUT buy using the slile lock lever to. I wanted to be able to do both and to do both effectively. Just this week, I finally made up my mind to work on it and not just sprodiacally. I went out the the range with loaded magazines and did nothing for a full hour but tap, rack, pretend bang. It finally came to me how to do it right. Now I have confidence in racking this little gun also, although I will use the slide lock lever most of the time for range use. IMO you are doing ok with your cw, evidently yours is tighter than most out of the box but kahrs are tight to. More rounds will help that to but more than anything more rounds will help you and the gun to mate up better..... |
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If you take I 75 South, you will go right through Macon, GA where I live. we stayed at Macon last year on our rife to florida, going to try this time to make it the first day (weather permitting)a to valdosta. 740 miles. My Daughter lives in Sanford, florida, and we can cruise inthere the next day on our way to Key West. actually stayed in Macon a couple of times headed to florda. long ride from indiana to Macon, weahter has to be right, traffic has to be hit atthe right times for Nashville and Atlanta, our ur just screwed.. |
| Khar has too many problems with their guns. They need to look into their production methods. I think the tight spec mantra is an excuse. I had two P40s and one CW40 and I had various problems with all of them, even after the 200 round break in process. The guns cost too much money to have this many problems. I hear the steel framed ones work better. |
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Khar has too many problems with their guns. They need to look into their production methods. I think the tight spec mantra is an excuse. I had two P40s and one CW40 and I had various problems with all of them, even after the 200 round break in process. The guns cost too much money to have this many problems. I hear the steel framed ones work better. NOT wanting to argue this either,but I totally disagree with you. alot of the issues are shooter issues. Kahr states in their manual to use the slide lock release to load the first round and this is where it seems alot of break in isuses arise. Not the guns fault that an indivudual can't do what the manual states. Sure some guns rack easier than othersj, but again, not a fault issue IMO. I have had kt's products with big time issues, owned a Para carry 9 that went back 3 times, before I peddled it.. If I owned 3 kahrs, that gave issues, I certainly would not own anymore. Why would a person want to continue buying the same product if you have no faith in it. I own a Kahr P380 that for me is very difficult to rack the slide properly, but using the slide stop lever like they sates, it never malfunctions. It is a super smallhandgun with very stout recoil springs. this combination makes it even ore difficult to rack easily,but again notthe guns fault. It is waht it is, a very high quality pocket rocket. Most of the gun reports you read on anygun forum are usuallythe negatives ones from owners with issues.. I have yet to read any gun forum that never has gun issues, just the nature of the beast. Most guns that are working right, you never hear about. 95% of all glunowners don't even know about gun fourms for cold giave a damn either.. My 3 kahrs have never given one issues, NOT ONE. and I shoot um like I stole um to.. they are not vanity drawer guns.. |
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Anyone else carry or have experience wit the CW9. What are your thoughts? I like my Cw9 i don't consider it a range gun by any means but a great ccw firearm. The long trigger just doesn't do it for me for range fun but the size and feal make it a geat carry firearm. |
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Anyone else carry or have experience wit the CW9. What are your thoughts? I like my Cw9 i don't consider it a range gun by any means but a great ccw firearm. The long trigger just doesn't do it for me for range fun but the size and feal make it a geat carry firearm. and ur right but I guess it all depends what one feels is a range gun. I have over 20,000 rounds through my PM9 . It is my ccw gun 24/7 but it is my range gun 90% of the time. I love to shoot it, I am not as accurate with it as I am with my g19 but I certainly feel the gun can take all the rounds one wants to put through it with no issues and with the kahr loooooong triger to me the more one shoots the PM9, the better he willget with accuracy to. |
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Bought 150 more FMJ "break in" rounds today. Will try to shoot some more this week and work out any remaining issues. And welcome back Porsche! Have a good ride? TERRIBLE RIDE, ROAD 1400 MILES TO KEY WEST AND WIFE AND i BOTH ENDED UP WRECKING BOTH OUR BIKES WHILE DOWN THERE. LIMPED BACK HOME, BIKES ARE AT THE DEALER FOR EVUALATION. lOOKS LIKE 8 GRAND DAMAGES. anyway glad to be back home and on line with friends.. |
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Bought 150 more FMJ "break in" rounds today. Will try to shoot some more this week and work out any remaining issues. And welcome back Porsche! Have a good ride? TERRIBLE RIDE, ROAD 1400 MILES TO KEY WEST AND WIFE AND i BOTH ENDED UP WRECKING BOTH OUR BIKES WHILE DOWN THERE. LIMPED BACK HOME, BIKES ARE AT THE DEALER FOR EVUALATION. lOOKS LIKE 8 GRAND DAMAGES. anyway glad to be back home and on line with friends.. WHAT??? Dang that sucks. Glad you guys are ok though! |
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Bought 150 more FMJ "break in" rounds today. Will try to shoot some more this week and work out any remaining issues. And welcome back Porsche! Have a good ride? TERRIBLE RIDE, ROAD 1400 MILES TO KEY WEST AND WIFE AND i BOTH ENDED UP WRECKING BOTH OUR BIKES WHILE DOWN THERE. LIMPED BACK HOME, BIKES ARE AT THE DEALER FOR EVUALATION. lOOKS LIKE 8 GRAND DAMAGES. anyway glad to be back home and on line with friends.. WHAT??? Dang that sucks. Glad you guys are ok though! there is a saying in the biker world. There are only two kinds of bikers. One that is going down and one that has been down. I hav e paid my dues 3 timesin 40 + years..Still love to throw a leg over the bike though... |
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+1 on that looong trigger! Much longer than my Glock. I am glad that the hand racking issue will go away with time. I do not carry with one in the chamber. I was worried about having to hand chamber a round and being screwed. While shooting today, I did use the slide release every time I reloaded except on the first round of the Speer. I had put the gun up to cool down for a while. You need to rethink "not carrying one in the chamber". Trust me, there are people running around in federal law enforcement with like 40 hours of training and zero inclination to shoot or learn more, with rounds in their chambers and they do fine. It's not a big deal, you are limiting your ability in a deadly encounter, and if you really have safety concerns about carrying a round in the chamber of this pistol, then this was the wrong pistol for you to get. ETA: And if - and this would be a needless mistake - you insist on carrying around a gun with an empty chamber, then train so you rack the slide every time you bring the gun up. That's going to need to be a reflexive action. Just carry a round in the chamber. |
| Took the CW9 out again today for some more break in. Put 100 Win 115gr white box and 50 Fiocchi 115gr through with nary a problem. Looking for a good holster now. Cant decide between ankle or IWB. I keep my shirt tale in while at work. I have tried a few ankle holsters, but I have big legs. I do not think I coould get to the gun in time if I needed to. I looked in a catalog at a Galco IWB that is made to wear with a shirt tale tucked in. All you see sticking out is a little bit of the clip. The clip would probably disappear with a black belt. |
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I have a http://www.dmbullardleather.com/ Dual Carry for a Taurus 605 (snubby) and just ordered another one for my new PM9.
While the Galco is slim I would bet it is not real stable. I use Kydex clips and they are quite concealable. Kydex clips with Velcro work even better! (They can be purchased from Tucker Gunleather). My $0.02 Buckaroo |
| I just got a CW9 for the wife a few weeks back. It has about 300 rounds through it (Blazer Brass, Win White Box, and Ranger +P). Not one malfunction. I also was not aware that people have so much issue racking the slide. I have hardly used the slide release and not had one stovepipe or the like. My wife does not have much semi-auto experience and she can rack it as well. Is there really some issue for most people racking the slide to charge the gun? |
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I just got a CW9 for the wife a few weeks back. It has about 300 rounds through it (Blazer Brass, Win White Box, and Ranger +P). Not one malfunction. I also was not aware that people have so much issue racking the slide. I have hardly used the slide release and not had one stovepipe or the like. My wife does not have much semi-auto experience and she can rack it as well. Is there really some issue for most people racking the slide to charge the gun? Not if you rack it properly like u and ur wife are doing. The issue is witht he shooter not the gun. |
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I just got a CW9 for the wife a few weeks back. It has about 300 rounds through it (Blazer Brass, Win White Box, and Ranger +P). Not one malfunction. I also was not aware that people have so much issue racking the slide. I have hardly used the slide release and not had one stovepipe or the like. My wife does not have much semi-auto experience and she can rack it as well. Is there really some issue for most people racking the slide to charge the gun? Not if you rack it properly like u and ur wife are doing. The issue is witht he shooter not the gun. Exactly. It is just tighter than what I was used to. The only experience I had at the time with semi-autos was my Glock 21sf full size 45 caliber. It is not as tight and it is much bigger, making it much easier for me to rack. If you grab the Kahr and rack it like you are supposed to, it will work every time. I am getting my slide titanium DuraCoated this weekend due to some light pitting near the muzzle (sweaty hands). I am also going to have him polish up the already smooth feed ramp. I imagine that will help it feed a little better also. |
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I just got a CW9 for the wife a few weeks back. It has about 300 rounds through it (Blazer Brass, Win White Box, and Ranger +P). Not one malfunction. I also was not aware that people have so much issue racking the slide. I have hardly used the slide release and not had one stovepipe or the like. My wife does not have much semi-auto experience and she can rack it as well. Is there really some issue for most people racking the slide to charge the gun? Not if you rack it properly like u and ur wife are doing. The issue is witht he shooter not the gun. Exactly. It is just tighter than what I was used to. The only experience I had at the time with semi-autos was my Glock 21sf full size 45 caliber. It is not as tight and it is much bigger, making it much easier for me to rack. If you grab the Kahr and rack it like you are supposed to, it will work every time. I am getting my slide titanium DuraCoated this weekend due to some light pitting near the muzzle (sweaty hands). I am also going to have him polish up the already smooth feed ramp. I imagine that will help it feed a little better also. sure looks to me like ur doing all the things right to your kahr. Let us know how it allworks out to. |
| Got it back today, looks good. Basically looks stock , just a little more of a matte finish. Barrel and ramp polished up real nice! One thing, he said he could not get my rear sight out w/o screwing it up, so he just taped over it. No problem except I guess when he pulled the tape off, the rear dot came with it. He put a dab of white duracoat back in the slot, looks good to me. I will have to shoot it to make sure it is aligned exactly right. Overall I am happy. Now I need a holster! |