Posted: 3/20/2009 4:06:35 PM EDT
| What condition do you carry your Kahr in? Round in chamber or not? I have been carrying my CW 9 for a couple months, I initially bought a Don Hume IWB, and saw a post somewhere about having a loaded gun with no safety stuck down your pants was not a great idea.[see Plexico Burris]. I have just purchased a Mitch Rosen belt slide holster which is very comfortable and has a thumb break, and feels like a safer way to go. I would think trying to work the slide and release in a stressfull situation is problematic.Thoughts? |
| When I can carry, I do so loaded, cocked, ready to rock. IWB is only really a safety concern if and when one tries to do so WITHOUT a holster. In a proper holster, that covers the trigger guard, securely attached to the belt with whatever design it has, it is perfectly fine. |
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The whole reason for the Kahr design was to have an ultra-small semi-auto pistol in at least a full power 9mm, that would be as safe to carry as a double action revolver.
It is. The longer Kahr trigger pull was specifically intended to feel as much like a good S&W "K" frame trigger as possible and to be as safe to carry. Like a good revolver, about the only way to get the Kahr to fire is to pull the trigger, and the long pull makes accidental operation difficult. While you "Can" carry a Kahr loose in a pocket or shoved into the waistband, it's best to carry it in a holster. Properly holstered, barring some one-in-a-million mischance, the Kahr is as safe as a machine can be. You actually have a greater risk of an accidental discharge by trying to chamber a round under stress. Also, as the manual specifically states, the Kahr is to be loaded by locking the slide back, and chambering the first round by using the slide stop, NOT the sling-shot method. This eliminates carrying the gun with an empty chamber. While there is a definite risk in getting out of bed in the morning, an AD with a holstered Kahr is pretty unlikely. |
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What condition do you carry your Kahr in? Round in chamber or not? I have been carrying my CW 9 for a couple months, I initially bought a Don Hume IWB, and saw a post somewhere about having a loaded gun with no safety stuck down your pants was not a great idea.[see Plexico Burris]. I have just purchased a Mitch Rosen belt slide holster which is very comfortable and has a thumb break, and feels like a safer way to go. I would think trying to work the slide and release in a stressfull situation is problematic.Thoughts? Plaxico did not have his gun in a holster. Therefore, there was nothing covering the trigger. In a holster your gun is perfectly safe loaded. |
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Quoted:Also, as the manual specifically states, the Kahr is to be loaded by locking the slide back, and chambering the first round by using the slide stop, NOT the sling-shot method.
Granted, I purchased my K40 used, and subsequently found out that it was made back in '98, but my manual states to load the first round by inserting the mag, and racking the slide. "Insert the magazine into the magazine well at the base of the grip until the magazine catch engages fully. Pull the slide fully to the rear and allow it to spring forward into the locked position.Do not impede the forward travel of the slide or attempt to ease the slide forward. The full spring tension of the recoil spring is required to assure proper feeding of the round from the magazine." Kahr manual, page 8 This is how I've been loading mine, as every other pistol I own, and I have had no issues with it other than today finding out that it shoots 3-4 inches high from 25 yards out. |
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Quoted:Also, as the manual specifically states, the Kahr is to be loaded by locking the slide back, and chambering the first round by using the slide stop, NOT the sling-shot method.
Granted, I purchased my K40 used, and subsequently found out that it was made back in '98, but my manual states to load the first round by inserting the mag, and racking the slide. "Insert the magazine into the magazine well at the base of the grip until the magazine catch engages fully. Pull the slide fully to the rear and allow it to spring forward into the locked position.Do not impede the forward travel of the slide or attempt to ease the slide forward. The full spring tension of the recoil spring is required to assure proper feeding of the round from the magazine." Kahr manual, page 8 This is how I've been loading mine, as every other pistol I own, and I have had no issues with it other than today finding out that it shoots 3-4 inches high from 25 yards out. I sure wouldn't worry about 3 to 4 inches high at 25 yards. change your site picture if needed but IMO that is just super good shooting to. It is not a match gun. the trigger pull is looooooong 3/8" . to me that is damn good shooting. Slingshotting is good if the gun performs OK that way. Didn't know what in the manual back in 98 but today they stress using the slide release to load the first round. I think kahr went to that memo to eliminate the possability of some one ridiing the slide back to battery and casuing ftf.. |
All I know is that I load in a mag, pull the slide back and let my hand slip off the back end of it as it reaches it's limit of rearward travel, and it slamd home on it's own. Works just fine, and I even do it with the gun turned 90 degrees on it's vertical plane so the top is pointing to the left(it's just easier for me to rack it that way due to a left elbow injury when I was young). Thanks for the compliment on my shooting, but I think it may be more the gun than my ability.
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The current Kahr manuals say to use the slide stop.
Specifically, the current manuals say NOT to operate the slide, but to use the slide stop: Here's the current manual: http://www.kahr.com/DL/kahrmanual.pdf |
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I wonder why the change?? Ijust think it helps eliminate ftf issues fromthe stat. These kahrs are tight and to try to manually rack the slide is sometimes difficult and caused tft at the beginning. Your was ok, as u bought it used and quite possably it had already had enough round sthrough it to allow you to rack the slide. It can be done very easily oh new kahrs IF YOU DO IT PROPERLY. I had talked to a kahr tec about a year ago and he stated that alot of kahrs sent back with ftf isues are perfectly ok, if the slide release is used. . Peopl tend to ride a slide back to battery, especially now owners of semi's auto's. If u use the slide lock rfelease, you are releasing the slide with the same velociyt every time and that is what is also necessary when you rack the slide and many donot do that and therefore they blame the gun, when indeed maybe it is not the guns fault. Weak or worn recoil springs can also play a big part in ftf by trying to rack the slide also. I rack my slide on my PM9 about 95% of the time and I can tell when I am getting tired alittle for sometimes I will fail to rack it properly. When someone writes that they are having ftf issues, the first question normally ask on this forum is DO YO USE THE SLDIE LOCK RELEASE. IMO either way is OK, as long as the way u choose to go with WORKS.. I just feel kahr put that statement in the newer manuals to help eliminate the possability of ftf.. |
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Most likely correct.
Like most micro-guns, the Kahr's, ESPECIALLY the tiny MK and PM guns have very strong recoil springs, and need them. To many people were trying to "sling shot" the slides and were either inadvertently partially riding the slide, or were failing to pull it ALL the way back before releasing it. Result was failures to feed. This is a problem because even after being told, some people just insist that the gun SHOULD work like other guns, including full sized guns, and then claim the Kahr is unreliable. Different guns, especially micro guns have different "rules". These tiny Kahr's are operating right on the edge of what's possible due to the size being about as small as you can make a auto pistol and still have it work. To that end, it does have some idiosyncrasies you have to accept in order to have a safe, reliable "pocket rocket". For size/quality/power/reliability/safety, it's almost impossible to do better than a Kahr. |
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totally agree, and one can sling shot these kahrs. I do it all the time, I know of many that do, but when some try to do it and it doesn't work, it is ALWAYS the guns fault. There is also a proper way to slingshot a round to, many never have learned it. No doubt either that some guns are easier to slingshot than others,
Some people also NEVER read the owners manual.... your last sentence tells it all IMO. |