Posted: 8/20/2006 12:59:45 PM EDT
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Git one! I can't believe how much superior this new TRP is over my GI issue Springer! Heck, I can even see the front sight on it with my old eyes. I ran about 425 rounds through it yesterday. 1st shot off a rest, 25 yds....dead center bullseye! Right out of the box! Imagine a big giggling tappy dancing idiot with a 1911 in his hand and that would be me!  It shoots better than I'm able to shoot it! No hickups...nada!!! It ran 200 rounds of WWB 230 ball, 200 rounds of Rem 230 h-points, and I even ran about 25 rounds of Wolf 230 gr ball for good measure. It eats everthing flawlessly. My left index finger is a skosh sore from loading mags...but I'll live. Off a rest at 25 yds, it was grouping about the size of a golf ball. Amazing! Came with two Wilson Combat stainless 7 rnd mags with slam pads. I really like the magwell too. The checkering and the grips take a bit of getting used to...but I like em. Picked it up friday $1315 out the door. Money well spent.  
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. so that means your not going to the knobb creek shoot Stump started up in the HTF in october
I'm flying in for Knob Creek....and I'm bringing my attorney buddy with me. The local. (Ft Worth). American Legion biker club is seriously considering a 'ride' up for the shoot! See ya there!! 
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All Operators have the NM serial number as the frames and slides are machined in America from special order blank IMBEL forgings. It would probably be cheaper for SA to have IMBEL make the Operator frames and slides, but I'm glad it's a task done by Americans.
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The TRP frame is still stamped "made in Brazil". Which means its most likely only final fitted in the US. The Pro frame is also made from a IMBEL forging but says "make in USA". Thats most likely machined here from a raw forging. |
I think you're confused. The Operator is the railed model and it should have an "NM" serial number and it should not say "Made in Brazil". Any pistol with a serial number that starts with "N" was complete enough upon importation to need a serial number. This means 80% complete or more. These guns would be stamped "Made in Brazil". Any "NM" serial numbered frame was less than 80% complete, there for not requiring a serial number upon it's importation. TRP's can be either, but all Operators should have an NM serial number and should not say "Made in Brazil". |
I had a TRP Operator with the full length rail, it had a NM serial number and when I removed the grip it was proudly stamped "made in Brazil". If it was the only one I should have kept it but I highly doubt it. |
That's only a standard forging stamp. Had your pistol actually been made in Brazil, it would have had an "N" prefix serial number unless it was illegally imported. IMBEL is not set up to produce the Operators. |
At this point its semantics. TRPs are hand fitted (assembled) in the US from Brazilian made parts that's why the frame is stamped "made in Brazil". The Pro is not . Below is the whole story. Originally posted on the 1911 forum. Originally Posted by HELLFIREman06 "Wolfgang" posted this on 06/25/02 - The TRP is a factory pistol which has been upgraded with a few features to make it look like the full custom Professional model (FBI SWAT pistol). The Professional pistol is a full custom pistol which begins with a national match frame which has the oversized slide rails, cut into the frame in our Geneseo machine shop. It uses all custom parts, including the Springfield Custom tool steel hammer & sear, Nowlin barrel & bushing, S&A mag well, Wilson ambi thumb safety, Novak low mount rear sight, dovetail front sight, match skeletonized trigger, standard guide rod system, and 6 specially tuned Metalform 7 round magazines. These pistols are hand assembled by custom gunsmiths in our Geneseo custom shop, under the supervision of master gunsmith David Williams. The Professional models meet or exceed all specifications of the FBI SWAT contract, including the accuracy requirement of 1.5" or better at 25 yards with Remington Golden Saber ammunition. The civilian pistols and the FBI pistols are built at the same time, with the gunsmiths never knowing whether a civilian or FBI agent will be using the pistol. These pistols are built approx. every 45 days, with the FBI order being filled first and civilian orders getting all of the remaining from the production run. These pistols do not have front cocking serrations or full length guide rods because the FBI chose not to have these features on their pistols. (Front cocking serrations catch on clothing and full length guide rods require additional tools for disassembly.) These pistols are finished with the Black T finish done by Walter Birdsong in MS. The TRP pistol is a factory pistol which has been upgraded with more hand fitting than a standard factory pistol, as well as a 2 piece mag well, night sights, and better tuning internally. It has a quoted accuracy of 2.5" or better at 25 yards with match ammunition. It has the front cocking serrations and full length guide rod, just like the other factory "loaded" models. These pistols are finished with Springfield's Armory Kote finish, which is a painted on, baked on finish similar to the Black T finish. Deb, Custom Shop Coordinator Springfield Inc. 420 West Main St. Geneseo, IL 61254 (800) 680-6866 [email protected] |
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A- I never said Springfield's weren't made from imported parts. B- The Operator frames were not complete enough to be classified as a firearm when they were imported, reguardless of the forging identification stamps. In order to be less than 80% complete, the rails and a few pin holes would have to be done by SA, but SA also has to machine in the Picatinny rail as well as clean up the surfaces. As far as I know, the only guns that actually get imported ready to shoot are the GI series. |
I had a TRP Operator and it was a fine pistol! Reliable and dead on accurate. It was the most accurate pistol I've ever shot. My only complaint was the ambi safety which kept disengaging!  I sold it to buy a smaller lighter carry gun (HK USPc 9mm). I'd like to get a loaded operator to replace it next year though.As for the Brazil comments, that doesn't detract from the quality of these guns! They are fantastic shooters. I don't frown upon my HK because it was made in Germany. 
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