| A most underrated gun. With the right shooter on them they will easily outshoot all the modern autos for accuracy by a great margin. I have seen good ppc shooters hold five inch fifty yard groups ( I do not like people posting these sissy distance 7-10 yards groups that prove nothing) with stock 10's enjoy |
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I just put 100 rounds through it and it's as smooth as butter, excellent groups for offhand DA, I shot a few cylinders as fast as I could pull the trigger and it felt like a .22. One of the funest guns I have shot in a while.  Yahoooo! I felt the same way I took my model 19 to the range for the first time. With .38's it feels like a .22 and double action is saweeet. Mine has a 6" barrel though and helps me with accuracy. I would love a m10 with a 3" barrel and a round butt with the hammer gone. Perfect hd/winter carry gun. What load were you shooting? |
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Quoted: Yahoooo! I felt the same way I took my model 19 to the range for the first time. With .38's it feels like a .22 and double action is saweeet. Mine has a 6" barrel though and helps me with accuracy. I would love a m10 with a 3" barrel and a round butt with the hammer gone. Perfect hd/winter carry gun. What load were you shooting? Quoted: Quoted: I just put 100 rounds through it and it's as smooth as butter, excellent groups for offhand DA, I shot a few cylinders as fast as I could pull the trigger and it felt like a .22. One of the funest guns I have shot in a while. Yahoooo! I felt the same way I took my model 19 to the range for the first time. With .38's it feels like a .22 and double action is saweeet. Mine has a 6" barrel though and helps me with accuracy. I would love a m10 with a 3" barrel and a round butt with the hammer gone. Perfect hd/winter carry gun. What load were you shooting? |
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Hard to tell from the pics, but doesn't look like enough character to me.
They are great guns to shoot, and incredibly accurate. I've got one that I picked up for $240 a couple years ago, that saw some mean streets of NY as a cop gun or so I'm told by the seller. Looks like hell, and if it truly saw the streets of NYC then it saw them in the literal sense of being dragged along the curb...but so fun to shoot at the same time. I had a nicer one from the Australia imports Bud's was selling prior to the current one, but in a moment of stupidity I sold it for something I probably don't even have anymore. Regretted it, then I luckily found and fell into the other. Previous owner said this about her, "She's like an ugly woman that knows how to cook really well." Awesome guns, though. Take some better pics and get back to us with how you like her. EDIT: Thanks, OP! Made me drag her out and molest her a bit. My God, what a beautiful shooter! |
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Very nice, I would like to find one.  Buds gunshop still has 10-8, 10-10 round and square butt, $319. These are Victoria PD, Australia trade-ins. No import mark. Picked up one a few months back. RB 10-10. A little holster wear. Tight lockup and cylinder gap. |
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We were issued model 10s back in the 70s for a duty gun. Department ammo was 110 grain Norma. It was a pretty snappy load. Those guns were old timers when we got them and the action was really nice. Everyone wanted to carry a Python or model 19... Had to get it approved by the department, but still had to carry the issued Norma .38. We were limited to carry 12 extra rounds on your belt, and none in your brief case and no backup gun. Ah, the good old days.....
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With the right shooter on them they will easily outshoot all the modern autos for accuracy by a great margin. Wholly untrue............... Probably talking more about the plastic fantastic pistols. For a cost to accuracy comparison it is hard to beat what you can do accuracy wise with a finish worn but mechanically good Model 10 for $200-250. OP: K-frame .38s are just about perfect revolvers. They are my favorite S&W handguns. You got a really good example for a great price. A couple of mine. First from the early 1920's and second from the mid '50s. 
Our next door neighbor has one like yours that I have been trying to buy for years. Maybe someday. 
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Quoted: Probably talking more about the plastic fantastic pistols. For a cost to accuracy comparison it is hard to beat what you can do accuracy wise with a finish worn but mechanically good Model 10 for $200-250. OP: K-frame .38s are just about perfect revolvers. They are my favorite S&W handguns. You got a really good example for a great price. A couple of mine. First from the early 1920's and second from the mid '50s. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/johnrippert/19054thChange1924s_zps1c884fa3.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/johnrippert/1950MampP_zpsc6b08f06.jpg Our next door neighbor has one like yours that I have been trying to buy for years. Maybe someday. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/johnrippert/SWElizabeth.jpg Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: With the right shooter on them they will easily outshoot all the modern autos for accuracy by a great margin. Wholly untrue............... Probably talking more about the plastic fantastic pistols. For a cost to accuracy comparison it is hard to beat what you can do accuracy wise with a finish worn but mechanically good Model 10 for $200-250. OP: K-frame .38s are just about perfect revolvers. They are my favorite S&W handguns. You got a really good example for a great price. A couple of mine. First from the early 1920's and second from the mid '50s. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/johnrippert/19054thChange1924s_zps1c884fa3.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/johnrippert/1950MampP_zpsc6b08f06.jpg Our next door neighbor has one like yours that I have been trying to buy for years. Maybe someday. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/johnrippert/SWElizabeth.jpg |
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Quoted: Very nice OP, I've been contemplating a 10-6 that's a bit beat up, but the shop wants $389 for it. You did really well having only $230 into yours. Indeed. I'm looking at a 10-6 4 inch taper barrel that looks horrific and wears rubber grips, but locks up as tight as they come. He says he can do better than $250 on it, and I'm considering it. |
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With the right shooter on them they will easily outshoot all the modern autos for accuracy by a great margin. Wholly untrue............... That is what I thought but maybe Cap127 has never shot a SIG Sauer X or P210, or S&W 952. These are Buds M10-10s that I got a few years ago and restored with a rust blue touch-up and added some Nill grips. 
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I will stand by my statement and am talking apples to apples comparisons of standard duty guns like glocks and sigs not boutique specialty guns like the 210 or 952. Any standard functional model 10 will easy be more accurate at 25 yards and especially 50 yards over a glock or similar modern auto. The quality of ammunition will make a bigger difference than Model 10 vs Glock/XD/M&P at those ranges. At 50 yards either is more accurate than most shooters can take advantage of. |
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The quality of ammunition will make a bigger difference than Model 10 vs Glock/XD/M&P at those ranges. At 50 yards either is more accurate than most shooters can take advantage of. Quoted:
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I will stand by my statement and am talking apples to apples comparisons of standard duty guns like glocks and sigs not boutique specialty guns like the 210 or 952. Any standard functional model 10 will easy be more accurate at 25 yards and especially 50 yards over a glock or similar modern auto. The quality of ammunition will make a bigger difference than Model 10 vs Glock/XD/M&P at those ranges. At 50 yards either is more accurate than most shooters can take advantage of. Yeah, but if you put quality ammo in all three guns, there's a good chance that the revolver is going to be more accurate. I have no data to back it up though. So.... It has been said by people I trust though. I do believe Mr. Camp has suggested this and he was really high on HiPowers and 1911's. If I run across his quote on this, I'll post it. I just reread a lot of his stuff recently though and I'm pretty sure he said that a good Model 10 will be more mechanically accurate than most autos. I always used to scoff at this premise when my Step Dad said this. And I thought it was more fluff than truth. But after shooting revolvers a little bit, I feel like there might be some truth in it. And actually, the best bench rested group I've ever gotten at 25 yard was from my Detective Special snubby. 
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I believe saying revolvers are more accurate than semi-autos is a very broad stroke that is not always true.
Revolvers benefit from sights that are fixed on the barrel (not the slide). So I suspect that a model 10 would be more accurate than an Glock/XD/M&P. But I also suspect the accuracy increase does not offset the capacity for any social situations and both the revolver and semi-auto are more than accurate enough for the job they where designed for. But to demonstrate the opposite. I'm fairly certain that if you compared equal quality 22 LR revolver to a fixed barrel 22 LR semi-auto with sights fixed on barrel (like a Ruger Mark II or Browning Buckmark) the semi-auto would be more accurate since there is no jump from the cylinder to the barrel. This would also likely hold true comparing a 357 Mag Revolver to a semi-auto like a Desert Eagle with fixed barrel and barrel mount sighting system. |
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I believe saying revolvers are more accurate than semi-autos is a very broad stroke that is not always true. Revolvers benefit from sights that are fixed on the barrel (not the slide). So I suspect that a model 10 would be more accurate than an Glock/XD/M&P. But I also suspect the accuracy increase does not offset the capacity for any social situations and both the revolver and semi-auto are more than accurate enough for the job they where designed for. But to demonstrate the opposite. I'm fairly certain that if you compared equal quality 22 LR revolver to a fixed barrel 22 LR semi-auto with sights fixed on barrel (like a Ruger Mark II or Browning Buckmark) the semi-auto would be more accurate since there is no jump from the cylinder to the barrel. This would also likely hold true comparing a 357 Mag Revolver to a semi-auto like a Desert Eagle with fixed barrel and barrel mount sighting system. I think you're making a big assumption about your comparison. Also, arguing that capacity outweighs accuracy has nothing to do with accuracy. So.... Neither one of us have any proof, so I'm just pissing in the wind. But I submit you're arguing in "supposed's" on your side too. Just sayin.... However, have you ever bench rested any of your Autos and got a 1"-9/16" 5 shot group at 25 yards? I know some are capable of that though. |
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I think you're making a big assumption about your comparison. Also, arguing that capacity outweighs accuracy has nothing to do with accuracy. So.... Neither one of us have any proof, so I'm just pissing in the wind. But I submit you're arguing in "supposed's" on your side too. Just sayin.... However, have you ever bench rested any of your Autos and got a 1"-9/16" 5 shot group at 25 yards? I know some are capable of that though. Quoted:
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I believe saying revolvers are more accurate than semi-autos is a very broad stroke that is not always true. Revolvers benefit from sights that are fixed on the barrel (not the slide). So I suspect that a model 10 would be more accurate than an Glock/XD/M&P. But I also suspect the accuracy increase does not offset the capacity for any social situations and both the revolver and semi-auto are more than accurate enough for the job they where designed for. But to demonstrate the opposite. I'm fairly certain that if you compared equal quality 22 LR revolver to a fixed barrel 22 LR semi-auto with sights fixed on barrel (like a Ruger Mark II or Browning Buckmark) the semi-auto would be more accurate since there is no jump from the cylinder to the barrel. This would also likely hold true comparing a 357 Mag Revolver to a semi-auto like a Desert Eagle with fixed barrel and barrel mount sighting system. I think you're making a big assumption about your comparison. Also, arguing that capacity outweighs accuracy has nothing to do with accuracy. So.... Neither one of us have any proof, so I'm just pissing in the wind. But I submit you're arguing in "supposed's" on your side too. Just sayin.... However, have you ever bench rested any of your Autos and got a 1"-9/16" 5 shot group at 25 yards? I know some are capable of that though. This is an internet forum I thought pissin' in the wind was its primary function. 
My opening line said this discussion is painting with broad strokes. IE likely not valid. I then gave two counter examples where we might expect one to perform better than the other to support my point. Do a Google search on revolver vs semi-auto accuracy. The jury is still out, there are lots of arguments (good and bad) to be made for both sides. </ done pissin' in the wind>
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I will stand by my statement and am talking apples to apples comparisons of standard duty guns like glocks and sigs not boutique specialty guns like the 210 or 952. Any standard functional model 10 will easy be more accurate at 25 yards and especially 50 yards over a glock or similar modern auto. Not if the Model 10 is shot DA only, Glocks & whatnot won't have that sort of trigger so let's make it even. I would also put up H&K against a Model 10 for accuracy. I would also put many 1911 models above the Model 10 for accuracy. |
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Indeed. I'm looking at a 10-6 4 inch taper barrel that looks horrific and wears rubber grips, but locks up as tight as they come. He says he can do better than $250 on it, and I'm considering it. Quoted:
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Very nice OP, I've been contemplating a 10-6 that's a bit beat up, but the shop wants $389 for it. You did really well having only $230 into yours. Indeed. I'm looking at a 10-6 4 inch taper barrel that looks horrific and wears rubber grips, but locks up as tight as they come. He says he can do better than $250 on it, and I'm considering it. I'd be all over that for <$250. Sounds like it'd make a great shooter.
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That is what I thought but maybe Cap127 has never shot a SIG Sauer X or P210, or S&W 952. These are Buds M10-10s that I got a few years ago and restored with a rust blue touch-up and added some Nill grips. http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z159/Andyd173/image.jpg4_zpslzzzdgec.jpg Quoted:
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With the right shooter on them they will easily outshoot all the modern autos for accuracy by a great margin. Wholly untrue............... That is what I thought but maybe Cap127 has never shot a SIG Sauer X or P210, or S&W 952. These are Buds M10-10s that I got a few years ago and restored with a rust blue touch-up and added some Nill grips. http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z159/Andyd173/image.jpg4_zpslzzzdgec.jpg Great looking Model 10's, love those grips. 
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Yeah, but if you put quality ammo in all three guns, there's a good chance that the revolver is going to be more accurate. I have no data to back it up though. So.... It has been said by people I trust though. I do believe Mr. Camp has suggested this and he was really high on HiPowers and 1911's. If I run across his quote on this, I'll post it. I just reread a lot of his stuff recently though and I'm pretty sure he said that a good Model 10 will be more mechanically accurate than most autos. I always used to scoff at this premise when my Step Dad said this. And I thought it was more fluff than truth. But after shooting revolvers a little bit, I feel like there might be some truth in it. And actually, the best bench rested group I've ever gotten at 25 yard was from my Detective Special snubby. http://images1.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp63%3Dot%3E2326%3D483%3D343%3DXROQDF%3E232385%3B%3C835%3A6ot1lsi I've benched my Colt Huntsman before which seems like a laser and I don't think I can achieve that kind of accuracy with it. Quoted:
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I will stand by my statement and am talking apples to apples comparisons of standard duty guns like glocks and sigs not boutique specialty guns like the 210 or 952. Any standard functional model 10 will easy be more accurate at 25 yards and especially 50 yards over a glock or similar modern auto. The quality of ammunition will make a bigger difference than Model 10 vs Glock/XD/M&P at those ranges. At 50 yards either is more accurate than most shooters can take advantage of. Yeah, but if you put quality ammo in all three guns, there's a good chance that the revolver is going to be more accurate. I have no data to back it up though. So.... It has been said by people I trust though. I do believe Mr. Camp has suggested this and he was really high on HiPowers and 1911's. If I run across his quote on this, I'll post it. I just reread a lot of his stuff recently though and I'm pretty sure he said that a good Model 10 will be more mechanically accurate than most autos. I always used to scoff at this premise when my Step Dad said this. And I thought it was more fluff than truth. But after shooting revolvers a little bit, I feel like there might be some truth in it. And actually, the best bench rested group I've ever gotten at 25 yard was from my Detective Special snubby. http://images1.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp63%3Dot%3E2326%3D483%3D343%3DXROQDF%3E232385%3B%3C835%3A6ot1lsi I've benched my Colt Huntsman before which seems like a laser and I don't think I can achieve that kind of accuracy with it. Sweet 25y group and DS you got there JJ. |
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I will stand by my statement and am talking apples to apples comparisons of standard duty guns like glocks and sigs not boutique specialty guns like the 210 or 952. Any standard functional model 10 will easy be more accurate at 25 yards and especially 50 yards over a glock or similar modern auto. Calling a SIG P 210 a boutique gun is ignorance. It served as a military sidearm in Denmark and Switzerland and for the German BGS, the borderguards. The standard issue m10 suffers from the ramped front sight that is great for drawing a weapon but not for accuracy under different lighting conditions. If you talk service guns with factory triggers, the factory M10s don't exactly shine, particularly from the Bangor Punta era. Talking apples to apples comparison shpuld also include the era, Glocks came as the demise of the rvolver as a service weapon... |
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I will stand by my statement and am talking apples to apples comparisons of standard duty guns like glocks and sigs not boutique specialty guns like the 210 or 952. Any standard functional model 10 will easy be more accurate at 25 yards and especially 50 yards over a glock or similar modern auto. The quality of ammunition will make a bigger difference than Model 10 vs Glock/XD/M&P at those ranges. At 50 yards either is more accurate than most shooters can take advantage of. Yeah, but if you put quality ammo in all three guns, there's a good chance that the revolver is going to be more accurate. I have no data to back it up though. So.... It has been said by people I trust though. I do believe Mr. Camp has suggested this and he was really high on HiPowers and 1911's. If I run across his quote on this, I'll post it. I just reread a lot of his stuff recently though and I'm pretty sure he said that a good Model 10 will be more mechanically accurate than most autos. I always used to scoff at this premise when my Step Dad said this. And I thought it was more fluff than truth. But after shooting revolvers a little bit, I feel like there might be some truth in it. And actually, the best bench rested group I've ever gotten at 25 yard was from my Detective Special snubby. http://images1.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp63%3Dot%3E2326%3D483%3D343%3DXROQDF%3E232385%3B%3C835%3A6ot1lsi I've benched my Colt Huntsman before which seems like a laser and I don't think I can achieve that kind of accuracy with it. Sweet 25y group and DS you got there JJ. Thank you. I wonder if I could ever do that again. LOL. My eyes are not what they used to be. That was a while ago. AndyD, what I don't quite understand is how comparing a 210 to a model 10 is an apples to apples comparison. There's a huge difference in price and in that price comes refinement. A fair comparison in that regard would be a worked over by someone who knows what' they're doing Model 14 to a 210. IMHO. Now a Glock and a model 10, yeah, that's apples to apples. Standard service pistols that are at least similar in price and I guess you could say similar in refinement. Although that could be debated too. But close enough for a good comparison. |
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I think this was a run of the mill Smith revolver and he's getting 2" groups at 50 yards. I didn't read the whole thing again, but I thought he stated it was stock.
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When I say the 210 is a boutique gun I am saying it is not a typical mainstream gun. You would be hard pressed to find but a handfull used as a ccw or duty gun today. Yes it will clean a model tens clocks but is not an example of the typical combat semi auto of this day and age. Boutique gun is obviously a misnomer but anything made in old-time Switzerland won't be mainstream but top notch quality. I have given my cherished SIG P210-4 and a S&w M10 to my oldest son for excelling in school, he carries neither but a S&W 642. The P210 and M10 are duty guns and a tad large and heavy to be carried concealed and will also barely be encountered in actove duty anymore. |