[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Defensive revolver (Page 1 of 3)
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It must have a laser
I agree. I am sorry but the only way I am going to shoot someone is because I cant get away from them and they are so close that I am afraid for my life. If they are that close, I don't need a fucking laser to "shoot them in the face" as he says in the article. I will simply place the revolver in their chest and empty the chambers. I choose the SS Speed Six as an EDC for several reasons. SS because it will hold up to abuse in the truck 365 days a year. But also SS because if I ever pull it out to defend myself with it, I want to make damn sure that the BG sees that I am about to shoot him with my shiny revolver. I don't want a small black gun to be mistaken for a cell phone or ANYTHING besides the gun that is going to end him. Honestly, if I ever do pull my gun out, I would much rather the BG see it and run himself before I have to shoot. Because the only way I am going to pull it out will be because I cant get away fast enough, and I am about to start shooting. And there will only be one story to tell when I am done. MINE, or the officer that arrives on scene after we are both dead. Make no mistake, I will not hesitate to defend myself or family with deadly force. But protecting yourself and family from lawsuits is almost as important as protecting yourself form bodily harm. I WILL ALWAYS FLIGHT BEFORE FIGHT if I can. |
| Anyone with a computer can author an article on "the best" defensive handgun. I've no doubt "Caleb" would consider any revolver in any caliber adequate if someone were point blank firing it at him or had the barrel of one of these inadequate revolvers screwed into his left nostril. My advice to you guys is, carry on, buiness as usual. |
| My 4" model 66 and Colt Lawman 357's dont have lasers and One also has fixed sights---- i assume now after reading this it would be better to just throw them at the bad guy? They also have pesky hammers on them so i can foolishly attempt longer distance shots in single action mode |
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Opinions and preferences are often presented as 'rules'. All of us here, being used to the Internet and are well acclimated to this. At least the guy has thought out positions and his writing didn't make me wince. As for opinions.. I have some:
Why would you not have a laser? They offer a huge advantage in speed and accuracy under stress. All the arguments against them are rhetorical or people make up circumstances in their head where they wouldn't need one. Mainly folks don't have them because they are too cheap. A handgun without a laser is far from useless.. but the addition of a laser greatly enhances the single area where help is needed the most: getting a hit under great duress. Bobbed hammer: meh.. for a j frame I could see this. Otherwise a revolver lives in a IWB or OWB holster where this is not so important. I like a spur at the range or plinking and more practice is always good. No airweights? Really? These are hell to shoot with irons but with a laser (reference item 1) they work quite well with good trigger control. We need a handgun that fits in a front pocket, is rock solid reliable, and fires a decent self defense round.. J frames meet this need and are a pretty good weapon when properly set up. |
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there is alot of stupid in that article 1st any 38 or 357 you can happily shoot 500 round through is going to too heavy for happy daily carry.
2nd adjustable SIGHTS AND LARGE FRONT BLADES GET HUNG UP IN THE DRAW THE " GUTTER IS BETTER 3RD A LASER    GET FUCKING REAL AND WHY CAN YOU GET WAY WITH NO LAER ON A NUTO BUT T MUST BE ON A WHELEY
4TH LEARN TO STAGE THE TRIGGER !!!!!! OR WHY IS IT SO HARD TO HANDEL A NICE TRIGGER BUT YET THE AWFUL CRAPPY GLOCK TRIGGER IS GTG 
I AGREE ON THE MOON CLIPS 5TH WHAT WHEEL GUN HAS NO MODERN SD AMMO HELL 38+P WITH 158 LWC will out perform most common 9mm sd ammo. 158 grn 357 forget about it.. even 327 ruger is a modern sd load.
overall grade c- to d work with a poor argument. |
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A Model 10 is a damn good defensive firearm... |
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I tried a laser once A buddy brought his laser equipped Glock out to the house to shoot it and wanted me to try it. I found the little red light dancing about on the target VERY distracting. Wouldn't have one. Actually a good experience. One of the things a laser is good for is training you to keep the platform steady while controlling the trigger. It may be annoying, particularly at first, but that's your POI bouncing around out there. |
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Quoted: Anyone with a computer can author an article on "the best" defensive handgun. I've no doubt "Caleb" would consider any revolver in any caliber adequate if someone were point blank firing it at him or had the barrel of one of these inadequate revolvers screwed into his left nostril. My advice to you guys is, carry on, buiness as usual. It's not about what they have, it's about what you have to stop them, and that starts before you leave the house. |
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Quoted: A Model 10 is a damn good defensive firearm... Quoted: A Model 10 is a damn good defensive firearm... Yea, sounds awesome. |
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Slow, delicate, slow to reload, slow to fire... Yea, sounds awesome. Quoted:
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A Model 10 is a damn good defensive firearm... Yea, sounds awesome. A Model 10 is delicate and slow to fire? You're doing it wrong.......... |
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Quoted: A Model 10 is delicate Drop it on an open cylinder and slow to fire? For an average shooter? Absolutely. You're doing it wrong.......... I get around .2 split times, not as fast as a 1911 but not bad, you? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: A Model 10 is a damn good defensive firearm... Yea, sounds awesome. A Model 10 is delicate Drop it on an open cylinder and slow to fire? For an average shooter? Absolutely. You're doing it wrong.......... I get around .2 split times, not as fast as a 1911 but not bad, you? |
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A Model 10 is a damn good defensive firearm... Yea, sounds awesome. A Model 10 is delicate Drop it on an open cylinder and slow to fire? For an average shooter? Absolutely. You're doing it wrong.......... I get around .2 split times, not as fast as a 1911 but not bad, you? Do you plan on dropping it on an open cylinder? Have you seen this happen often? Any mechanical device can be made to fail. I've seen way more autos choke than revolvers. How is a revolver slower to fire? You kinda prove my point by your times, you yourself say "not bad". Obviously you're doing it right. I'll grant you SLOWER to reload compared to an auto. But speedloaders can be pretty damn fast. I still don't think your blanket statements hold water, but that's just my opinion. |
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Quoted: Do you plan on dropping it on an open cylinder? Have you seen this happen often? Any mechanical device can be made to fail. I've seen way more autos choke than revolvers. Since the topic is defensive revolvers, yes. I've never seen a revolver dropped, but I've witnessed the results of even minor tweaks binding them up, even just rim thickness of the ammo. I bet the Cyl wouldn't even have to be open. Anything to tweak it even a little means a locked gun. Yet, I've bounced semi's off steel decks and concrete with no problem. Amazingly, grappling happens in self defense situations. Thinking worse case, if you draw and someone grabs the body of your firearm, at least a semi will get a round off, where a revolver can be rendered inoperable with nothing more than a firm grasp of the cylinder. How is a revolver slower to fire? You kinda prove my point by your times, you yourself say "not bad". Obviously you're doing it right. I'd like to think so, and yet I'm not even close to as good with revolvers, as the guy who wrote the quoted article, and he's middle of the pack on a national competition level, which puts him on a completely different level of skill with revolvers than the average revolver owner. Revolvers are slow to shoot for most people because they have a heavy trigger pull, and a long pull, and long reset. Any interference of drag on the cyl slows it down that much more. I'll grant you SLOWER to reload compared to an auto. But speedloaders can be pretty damn fast. Not really. A lot of people can slop a mag in faster than most good revolver shooters can reload. A lot of people consider under 3 seconds fast. I still don't think your blanket statements hold water, but that's just my opinion. Yup Quoted: Quoted: snip Do you plan on dropping it on an open cylinder? Have you seen this happen often? Any mechanical device can be made to fail. I've seen way more autos choke than revolvers. Since the topic is defensive revolvers, yes. I've never seen a revolver dropped, but I've witnessed the results of even minor tweaks binding them up, even just rim thickness of the ammo. I bet the Cyl wouldn't even have to be open. Anything to tweak it even a little means a locked gun. Yet, I've bounced semi's off steel decks and concrete with no problem. Amazingly, grappling happens in self defense situations. Thinking worse case, if you draw and someone grabs the body of your firearm, at least a semi will get a round off, where a revolver can be rendered inoperable with nothing more than a firm grasp of the cylinder. How is a revolver slower to fire? You kinda prove my point by your times, you yourself say "not bad". Obviously you're doing it right. I'd like to think so, and yet I'm not even close to as good with revolvers, as the guy who wrote the quoted article, and he's middle of the pack on a national competition level, which puts him on a completely different level of skill with revolvers than the average revolver owner. Revolvers are slow to shoot for most people because they have a heavy trigger pull, and a long pull, and long reset. Any interference of drag on the cyl slows it down that much more. I'll grant you SLOWER to reload compared to an auto. But speedloaders can be pretty damn fast. Not really. A lot of people can slop a mag in faster than most good revolver shooters can reload. A lot of people consider under 3 seconds fast. I still don't think your blanket statements hold water, but that's just my opinion. Yup  |
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Totes, bro. That's why I don't even leave the house to walk the dogs without twin 10mm Glocks with red-dots, lights, and lasers and a few 30 round reloads tucked into my photographer's vest.
Why would anyone carry anything else? You're better off just shooting YOURSELF with a *revolver* than you are shooting a bad guy! Everyone on this sub-forum must be dumb as bricks. You all need to take some tactical ninja courses. I bet Madcap even teaches them. You can't hit 32,000 posts without being a tactical ninja. 
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| Funny, revolvers have been used as a defensive and offensive weapon for the last 130+ years and they have worked very well. Look at the body counts. Also, in terms of ammo capacity, look at the stats on how many shots fired in the typical defensive shooting scenarios. Revolvers work, that's the long and the short of it. |
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Quoted: Funny, revolvers have been used as a defensive and offensive weapon for the last 130+ years and they have worked very well. Look at the body counts. Also, in terms of ammo capacity, look at the stats on how many shots fired in the typical defensive shooting scenarios. Revolvers work, that's the long and the short of it. "Look at the body counts" is not convincing. Especially since the history of revolvers, is riddled with failures to stop, and gut shots leading to slow deaths, but not stops. |
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in the argument of a gun fight, if you start to add too many variables like, "if you drop the weapon"...... you end up with ANY pistol being inferior...TO A RIFLE.
You have to ask yourself just where the hell am I going that I need a laser, four 30rnd mags, and a tac light? Maybe just don't go there. If you must for your job, then take a rifle because that is a real fucked up place you are going. If the TRUE answer is that you don't need all that because you are headed down to the corner for some milk, then why not simply slip that tiny revolver in your pocket, JUST INCASE And when you sense/feel a threat, get the fuck out of it and use your weapon as last resort |
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Quoted: MadCap, I have to ask; since you're so rigidly anti-revolver, why do you hang out in a revolver forum? For example, I have no use or interest in AK's, so I don't peruse AK forums. get the picture? Are you mistaking thoroughly knowing the strengths and weaknesses of something as being "against" it? ETA- LOL I'm the guy that shot a $2000 S&W third model hand ejector in .44 spcl for a two gun shoot that I borrowed from my Father, because we both believe that guns are made to be used.  |
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After drinking that much E&J out of a plastic YOLO cup, anything would look right  
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Who said I'm anti-revolver? I shoot and collect revolvers. Are you mistaking thoroughly knowing the strengths and weaknesses of something as being "against" it? ETA- LOL I'm the guy that shot a $2000 S&W third model hand ejector in .44 spcl for a two gun shoot that I borrowed from my Father, because we both believe that guns are made to be used.
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MadCap, I have to ask; since you're so rigidly anti-revolver, why do you hang out in a revolver forum? For example, I have no use or interest in AK's, so I don't peruse AK forums. get the picture? Are you mistaking thoroughly knowing the strengths and weaknesses of something as being "against" it? ETA- LOL I'm the guy that shot a $2000 S&W third model hand ejector in .44 spcl for a two gun shoot that I borrowed from my Father, because we both believe that guns are made to be used.
Not anti-revolver??? 
Anyhow, I think I speak for everyone here when I say, Thanks for trying to make us better people and save our lives by making all of us aware of the inherent shortcomings of revolvers in defensive situations. |
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Quoted: Not anti-revolver??? Anyhow, I think I speak for everyone here when I say, Thanks for trying to make us better people and save our lives by making all of us aware of the inherent shortcomings of revolvers in defensive situations. Quoted: Quoted: Not anti-revolver??? Anyhow, I think I speak for everyone here when I say, Thanks for trying to make us better people and save our lives by making all of us aware of the inherent shortcomings of revolvers in defensive situations. Feel free to make counterpoints against anything I've stated. Bear in mind, you're talking to a guy who has house full of revolvers, shoots revolver in IDPA, grew up with them, and trains constantly with them. |
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Bottom line, it's my opinion that a Model 10 is not a damn good defensive firearm. It has a host of disadvantages that are shared with all revolvers, and that's before even getting into the caliber.
Actually, the model 10 is a damn fine defensive weapon that has been passed up by more modern designs. |
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Yea, you might think it's BS, but I take shooting, competition and self defense very seriously. If you think taking a critical look at things you might rely on to save your life is bullshit, might want to recalibrate. Quoted:
Yea, you might think it's BS, but I take shooting, competition and self defense very seriously. If you think taking a critical look at things you might rely on to save your life is bullshit, might want to recalibrate. Eh, I think you take some a few things too seriously. Not everyone is trying for optimal tacticool. Quoted:
Feel free to make counterpoints against anything I've stated. Bear in mind, you're talking to a guy who has house full of revolvers, shoots revolver in IDPA, grew up with them, and trains constantly with them. Why train so hard with second rate defensive tools? Now, I understand why some would do this. But why would such a serious type, so concerned with optimal performance, do this? Why not spend that time becoming optimal with your optimal defensive tool? |
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Yea, you might think it's BS, but I take shooting, competition and self defense very seriously. If you think taking a critical look at things you might rely on to save your life is bullshit, might want to recalibrate.
Feel free to make counterpoints against anything I've stated. Bear in mind, you're talking to a guy who has house full of revolvers, shoots revolver in IDPA, grew up with them, and trains constantly with them. I was thinking about your seriousness too. What's the deal? Do you have lots of enemies? Do you fantasize about defending yourself? Too many video games or action movies? I too take self defense seriously, but I'm not obsessed with it. If I were, no doubt other more important areas of my life would lack, as I'm sure is the case with your life (social skills comes to mind). I love to shoot and happen to live in a rural area and have a private range so I am free to shoot and practice as much as I want, whenever I want. Do I practice self defense daily? No. Weekly? No. But I have absolutely no doubt that I'm infinitely more adept with a handgun than 99.9% of those from whom I would need to defend myself! |
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Can you refute any of what I've said? Or can all you do is throw a temper tantrum when things that have been known for the last century are repeated? It's a tech thread, if you can't hold a discussion about failure points of popular weapons, how is anyone ever going to learn about what to do, or the pro's and cons? Quoted:
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snip It's a tech thread, if you can't hold a discussion about failure points of popular weapons, how is anyone ever going to learn about what to do, or the pro's and cons? What's the deal? I'm AGREEING with you, man. If your carry piece can't go bang a MINIMUM of 15 times before reloading, you're already dead. If your chosen caliber isn't the tactical standard, you're already dead. If your gun can't fire when put through specific sets of abusive scenarios, you're already dead. If you can't see your sights in a pitch-dark alley, you're already dead. If you NEED to see your sights because you don't have a laser, you're already dead. Never mind the historical proof of the revolver as an effective defensive weapon, it's 2014 and we have moving goalposts. Never mind how rarely more than 3 shots are fired in a defensive shooting, every encounter will be against an army of Crips. Never mind that most modern semi-autos can be put out of battery (and rendered nonoperational) through contact with the muzzle as one might encounter in a defensive scenario, A REVOLVER CAN'T FIRE IF SOMEONE GRABS THE CYLINDER. Never mind that misfires happen and revolvers only require you PULL THE TRIGGER AGAIN, it's better to train yourself around a lengthier, multi-step process. When it comes to what gun is best for any situation, it's not up the the individual to decide what's comfortable and effective for them. It's my way or the highway, so y'all take notes. Deal with it.
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Quoted: Eh, I think you take some a few things too seriously. Not everyone is trying for optimal tacticool. Since when is maintaining a level of confidence and experience tacticool? Why train so hard with second rate defensive tools? Because I help a lot of people, and don't want to give them incomplete, dated, or one sided information. Now, I understand why some would do this. But why would such a serious type, so concerned with optimal performance, do this? Why not spend that time becoming optimal with your optimal defensive tool? Goes with instruction. Quoted: Quoted: Yea, you might think it's BS, but I take shooting, competition and self defense very seriously. If you think taking a critical look at things you might rely on to save your life is bullshit, might want to recalibrate. Eh, I think you take some a few things too seriously. Not everyone is trying for optimal tacticool. Since when is maintaining a level of confidence and experience tacticool? Quoted: Feel free to make counterpoints against anything I've stated. Bear in mind, you're talking to a guy who has house full of revolvers, shoots revolver in IDPA, grew up with them, and trains constantly with them. Why train so hard with second rate defensive tools? Because I help a lot of people, and don't want to give them incomplete, dated, or one sided information. Now, I understand why some would do this. But why would such a serious type, so concerned with optimal performance, do this? Why not spend that time becoming optimal with your optimal defensive tool? Goes with instruction. |
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Quoted: I was thinking about your seriousness too. What's the deal? Do you have lots of enemies? Do you fantasize about defending yourself? Too many video games or action movies? More like smallbore shooter, GWOT Veteran, CRSO, Instructor, so on and so forth. I too take self defense seriously, but I'm not obsessed with it. If I were, no doubt other more important areas of my life would lack, as I'm sure is the case with your life (social skills comes to mind). Yea, being competent with something isn't much of an obsession. If I was obsessed I'd be competing at a higher level. I love to shoot and happen to live in a rural area and have a private range so I am free to shoot and practice as much as I want, whenever I want. Do I practice self defense daily? No. Weekly? No. But I have absolutely no doubt that I'm infinitely more adept with a handgun than 99.9% of those from whom I would need to defend myself! Good for you. I don't bank on overconfidence so I make sure to keep up on perishable skills. Quoted: Quoted: Yea, you might think it's BS, but I take shooting, competition and self defense very seriously. If you think taking a critical look at things you might rely on to save your life is bullshit, might want to recalibrate. Feel free to make counterpoints against anything I've stated. Bear in mind, you're talking to a guy who has house full of revolvers, shoots revolver in IDPA, grew up with them, and trains constantly with them. I was thinking about your seriousness too. What's the deal? Do you have lots of enemies? Do you fantasize about defending yourself? Too many video games or action movies? More like smallbore shooter, GWOT Veteran, CRSO, Instructor, so on and so forth. I too take self defense seriously, but I'm not obsessed with it. If I were, no doubt other more important areas of my life would lack, as I'm sure is the case with your life (social skills comes to mind). Yea, being competent with something isn't much of an obsession. If I was obsessed I'd be competing at a higher level. I love to shoot and happen to live in a rural area and have a private range so I am free to shoot and practice as much as I want, whenever I want. Do I practice self defense daily? No. Weekly? No. But I have absolutely no doubt that I'm infinitely more adept with a handgun than 99.9% of those from whom I would need to defend myself! Good for you. I don't bank on overconfidence so I make sure to keep up on perishable skills. |
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Actually a good experience. One of the things a laser is good for is training you to keep the platform steady while controlling the trigger. It may be annoying, particularly at first, but that's your POI bouncing around out there. Quoted:
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I tried a laser once A buddy brought his laser equipped Glock out to the house to shoot it and wanted me to try it. I found the little red light dancing about on the target VERY distracting. Wouldn't have one. Actually a good experience. One of the things a laser is good for is training you to keep the platform steady while controlling the trigger. It may be annoying, particularly at first, but that's your POI bouncing around out there. Sure, but this is a classic example of perfect being the enemy of good. I routinely see people, shooting either wheelies or semis, with lasers that shoot SLOWER with them than without them. When you're looking at COM and trying to get a round into it you shouldn't be vexed over which chest hair takes the slug, just so long as it hits COM. But people see that dancing dot and take precious TIME to steady it up when they'd be better off just shooting with a "good enough for CQB" approach. In a real SD encounter the adrenaline will make that dot dance even more and slow down the shooter even more, a bad combination on the day you need your gun. All that said, I own handguns with lasers. I use them for TRAINING only. Lasers are marvelous for draw stroke drills. Pull the gun and see where you naturally point the muzzle, then adjust your body to compensate. Wonderful for learning how to shoot from retention. But if I carry one of my lasered guns I TURN IT OFF. That's right, no little dancing dots for me if Murphy comes to call. Lasers are training tools ONLY on a defensive handgun. Just in passing I'll point out that way too many people think that having a laser on their gun is a substitute for skill and training. Nobody on this forum, of course, but still too dang many people. To list all my other disagreements with the article: -Good night/fiber-optic sights are nice, but not critical. Gold bead sights look great on shotguns, not sure why the author thinks they belong on MDRs. -DAO with bobbed hammer is just not necessary. If you're going for pocket carry then sure, but lots of wheel gun carriers like myself carry OWB all day without issue. -Moonclips are not the devil. Like any piece of gear you need to make sure to use the best fresh set for your social work. My carry ammo always goes into brand new moonclips, the used moonclips are just for range practice. Not only do they improve reload speed they also eliminate any risk of a piece of brass getting stuck between the cylinder and extractor. |
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Sure, but this is a classic example of perfect being the enemy of good. I routinely see people, shooting either wheelies or semis, with lasers that shoot SLOWER with them than without them. When you're looking at COM and trying to get a round into it you shouldn't be vexed over which chest hair takes the slug, just so long as it hits COM. But people see that dancing dot and take precious TIME to steady it up when they'd be better off just shooting with a "good enough for CQB" approach. In a real SD encounter the adrenaline will make that dot dance even more and slow down the shooter even more, a bad combination on the day you need your gun. All that said, I own handguns with lasers. I use them for TRAINING only. Lasers are marvelous for draw stroke drills. Pull the gun and see where you naturally point the muzzle, then adjust your body to compensate. Wonderful for learning how to shoot from retention. But if I carry one of my lasered guns I TURN IT OFF. That's right, no little dancing dots for me if Murphy comes to call. Lasers are training tools ONLY on a defensive handgun. Just in passing I'll point out that way too many people think that having a laser on their gun is a substitute for skill and training. Nobody on this forum, of course, but still too dang many people. To list all my other disagreements with the article: -Good night/fiber-optic sights are nice, but not critical. Gold bead sights look great on shotguns, not sure why the author thinks they belong on MDRs. -DAO with bobbed hammer is just not necessary. If you're going for pocket carry then sure, but lots of wheel gun carriers like myself carry OWB all day without issue. -Moonclips are not the devil. Like any piece of gear you need to make sure to use the best fresh set for your social work. My carry ammo always goes into brand new moonclips, the used moonclips are just for range practice. Not only do they improve reload speed they also eliminate any risk of a piece of brass getting stuck between the cylinder and extractor. Excellent points, especially in regards to the use of a laser. I can see where the laser would be an indispensable tool for training. In retrospect, I liken my experience with a laser to using a scope on a rifle. I used to shoot our local High Power matches which entails the use of open sighted/aperture sighted rifles. On a good day I could easily keep most of my shots inside a 6" circle firing offhand unsupported at 100 yds. Give me a rifle with a scope to do the same thing though, and all bets are off. The crosshairs weaving about the target is VERY distracting to me. But using a scope on a rifle to shoot at something the size of a deer or elk 200 or 300 yds away is no big deal because I'm aiming at a large area. |
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Why is he fixated on "classes" and "competitions" versus home defense and CCW?
While not mutually exclusive, I don't see the need to frame a modern defensive revolver within those same restrictive parameters. I love revolvers for woods carry, but the main problem I have with them is the lack of a accessory rail for a flash light. Correct me if I'm wrong, but only the custom shop S&W guns are offered with a rail. |
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"snip" Well at least I know my points are valid. Otherwise, you'd respond and point out how they're wrong. Though, in your defense, there's only so much time in a day. When you average 20 posts a day for 4.5 years, I'm sure there comes a point where you can no longer put forth anything more substantial than, "ME ALWAYS RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING!". I wish I had you're kind of free time. I'd use it to shoot. |
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Well at least I know my points are valid. Otherwise, you'd respond and point out how they're wrong. Though, in your defense, there's only so much time in a day. When you average 20 posts a day for 4.5 years, I'm sure there comes a point where you can no longer put forth anything more substantial than, "ME ALWAYS RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING!". I wish I had you're kind of free time. I'd use it to shoot. Quoted:
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"snip" Well at least I know my points are valid. Otherwise, you'd respond and point out how they're wrong. Though, in your defense, there's only so much time in a day. When you average 20 posts a day for 4.5 years, I'm sure there comes a point where you can no longer put forth anything more substantial than, "ME ALWAYS RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING!". I wish I had you're kind of free time. I'd use it to shoot. Very good point. Some of this drivel reminds me of listening to college professors, specifically those of the Political Science ilk. They listen to themselves talk to the point that they actually believe the garbage they're spewing. |
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Quoted: Very good point. Some of this drivel reminds me of listening to college professors, specifically those of the Political Science ilk. They listen to themselves talk to the point that they actually believe the garbage they're spewing. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: "snip" Well at least I know my points are valid. Otherwise, you'd respond and point out how they're wrong. Though, in your defense, there's only so much time in a day. When you average 20 posts a day for 4.5 years, I'm sure there comes a point where you can no longer put forth anything more substantial than, "ME ALWAYS RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING!". I wish I had you're kind of free time. I'd use it to shoot. Very good point. Some of this drivel reminds me of listening to college professors, specifically those of the Political Science ilk. They listen to themselves talk to the point that they actually believe the garbage they're spewing. |
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