Posted: 2/5/2013 6:41:46 PM EDT
With modern metallurgy, would an lightweight I-frame size 9mm be possible? Because I want one.  The Taurus 905 IB was kinda close, but I think we can do better.
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most likely but that is not why 9mm revolvers are not popular.
9mm luger is an auto cartridge it has no rim and is just slightly tapered making it unfriendly to revolvers. They just will not reliably eject enough to get a real following.40S&W revolvers have the same problem I cannot quite figure out how they get around it with 10mm. The extractor becomes a very complicated affair in DA wheelguns SA guns like the Blackhawk headspace on the case mouth so they don't need a rim.. It's the only way it can extract reliably. There's very few because the wondernine craze killed off the development of 9mm wheelguns in the '80's. Ruger made some Speed Six's and Service Six's chambered for the 9mm Para. Moon clips is the easiest way to do it reliably and should be the standard answer but a 5 shot 9mm - would it sell? especially in world with walther PPS and S&W shields for less. |
| The costs to set up I frame production far out wiegh any potential sales. The 9mm revolver has been tried by at least four companies in the last twenty years and all have failed in the market. The 9mm revolver is a concept that never made any sense and never will. |
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Moon clips is the easiest way to do it reliably and should be the standard answer but a 5 shot 9mm - would it sell? especially in world with walther PPS and S&W shields for less. If I wasn't handicapped to moonclips, then I'd be interested... A 9mm revolver would be a nice compromise if anything happened to my 9mm duty gun. Reload by thumbing in the rounds from a spare magazine. With an auto, you'd have to reload an extra magazine... if you don't have any on you (something like a Shield, I'd probably have one). Would you need more than 5-12 rounds? Probably not, but I'd like the option. If I had to reload a 9mm moonclip, I'd be more inclined to throw the gun at someone (sarcasm). As it sits now, I'll keep my J-frame with .38 +P... |
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Charter Arms makes a new 9mm revolver that does not require moon clips. They also make a .40 S&W version.
http://charterfirearms.com/products/Charter_Pitbull_79920.asp It seems to be getting mixed reviews though and some people are saying they are having extraction issues. I don't know anyone who owns one personally. |
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I actually think two clear advanteges of a 9mm revolver are the short OAL of the round enabling a very short frame, and the use of full moon clips that would enable faster and more positive reloads then any other type of revolver.
On top of that modern tech has made 9 mm ammo very effective. One of my favorite pistol rounds is the Ranger T RA9T round, and I'm a .45 guy. The RA9T beats .38 special and most .357s. But I don't know if I would buy one. I would consider it. But I'm happy with my M&P9 and the revolver I'm buying is a 28-2 that appeals to my old school side. I'm not sure I'd buy a new school revolver. |
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The costs to set up I frame production far out wiegh any potential sales. The 9mm revolver has been tried by at least four companies in the last twenty years and all have failed in the market. The 9mm revolver is a concept that never made any sense and never will. The problem isn't that it doesn't make sense. The problem is more a matter of perception and culture. |
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The costs to set up I frame production far out wiegh any potential sales. The 9mm revolver has been tried by at least four companies in the last twenty years and all have failed in the market. The 9mm revolver is a concept that never made any sense and never will. The problem isn't that it doesn't make sense. The problem is more a matter of perception and culture. Where it would really shine is out of a 5" or 6" barrel 9mm is a very accurate cartridge not 38 spc accurate but very good. |
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I never claimed it would make any sense to build one, I just said I wanted one.
Also, no moonclips = no deal. The clip is where it's at. I wouldn't mind an 8-shot N-frame too, with a short cylinder and 5" set-back barrel like they did with this: It would probably have the same OAL of a 3.5" N-frame, but with 5" velocity. |
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Also, no moonclips = no deal. The clip is where it's at. I have a S&W M1917. The full moon clips are excellent. Oh, they are a pain for target shooting, removing the empty brass from the cips is a pain in the ass. But they are excellent for fast reloads. The half moon clips are good for target shooting. S&W did it right, the rounds headspace in the cylinder so it shoots just fine without the clips, although it slows down reloads. Colt's 1917 headspaces on the moon clip. |
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Moon clips is the easiest way to do it reliably and should be the standard answer but a 5 shot 9mm - would it sell? especially in world with walther PPS and S&W shields for less. If I wasn't handicapped to moonclips, then I'd be interested... A 9mm revolver would be a nice compromise if anything happened to my 9mm duty gun. Reload by thumbing in the rounds from a spare magazine. With an auto, you'd have to reload an extra magazine... if you don't have any on you (something like a Shield, I'd probably have one). Would you need more than 5-12 rounds? Probably not, but I'd like the option. If I had to reload a 9mm moonclip, I'd be more inclined to throw the gun at someone (sarcasm). As it sits now, I'll keep my J-frame with .38 +P... I would love a 3 inch 547 because of this. I want a 9mm revolver because I have a ton of 9mm autos and I want to shoot a revolver without stocking another caliber. |
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Also, no moonclips = no deal. The clip is where it's at. Not for me... I prefer speedloaders and speedstrips. I guess I'm a little biased, since I have a .45 ACP cylinder for my Ruger New Vaquero. It is nice to just toss in an "automatic" round. If S&W did a 9mm J-frame, with an extractor star that slightly rotates as it begins to pop out (not a lot, just enough to grab the rim), I'd buy it. Heck, if there was just a cylinder that needed to be upended to unload, I'd probably be interested (if you keep the cylinder clean, there won't be issues). |