Posted: 3/8/2007 10:08:37 AM EDT
| Looking at the two and can't decide which way to go. Any opinions? please tell me which one and why? |
I sorta agree with that. I went with the USPc because I liked that ability. Although, U can get both the USPc and P2000 in LEM or in DA/SA. Obviously, if ya get the USPc in LEM, then it has no safety on it. But, I like the USPc a lot. Visit: ps90forum.com |
I was in the same spot a few months back. I found the P2k to fit my hand much more comfortably. It was a very nice weapon, but so is the USPc. As others have stated, the P2k cannot be carried C&L. If this is an issue, then go with the usp. They both use the same mags, so ultimately, what feels/shoots better for YOU? If carry condition is a non-issue, pick the better fit for you. |
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Here are a few other points about the USPc vs. the P2000: 1. The USPc can be had in .45 ACP, whereas the P2000 cannot. Both weapons come in 9mm, .40 and .357 Sig. 2. Some people believe the LEM trigger is better on the P2000. 3. The P2000 is truly an ambi weapon. Slide release, mag release and decocker (if so equipped with the V. 3 option) can all be done with either hand. While the safety/decocker can be moved to the right hand side on the USPc, the slide release must stay on the left side (bad for left-handed people). The P2000 has a slide release on BOTH sides. 4. The corners on the P2000 are rounded a bit more than the USPc. This may make the P2000 less likely to get caught on clothing if you are CCW. 5. The P2000 has a standard Picatinny rail for lights, etc. With the USPc, you either have to use the HK weaponlight or use an adapter bracket to mount a Surefire, Streamlight or other common weaponlight. 6. The P2000 and USPc use the same mags. for a particular caliber (e.g., 9mm). 7. The P2000 comes with different sized backstraps so you can configure the gun to fit your hand. The USPc is one size fits all. 8. If you are a 24 fan, Jack Bauer carries a USPc in 9mm (Var. 1). Either way, they are both great weapons. I have a USPc in .45 ACP and a P2000 LEM in 9mm. Good luck mate. |
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i shot a p2000 for the first time today as a rental gun at the local range. i see no need for the ambi slide release which i am right handed, it would be different if i was a lefty i guess. plus the range was really hot and i was sweating badly and the gun wouldn't stay secure in my hand like my other guns, the sights are great i love the 3 dot sights, but they sit a little high for my liking. the trigger is long and took me a while to get used to, they are pretty accurate, and i was quite impressed with it in that resopect. i also like the fact that it seemed slimer in my habd than that of other .40 models by different makers. i normally love dao, but the lem just dosen't do it for me, i would so with a da/sa h&k if i was to buy one. |
| Do the both have the same length of trigger pull? I've only handled the USP a few times, (LEM) and the reach seemed a bit long so that by the time she went off, my finger was pretty close to the palm of my hand. Perhaps the 2000 with its adjustable backstraps would take care of that? |
No threaded barrels at this point. And no idea if there is any plan to make some. The P2000 barrel is slightly different than the USPc, and the P2000sk barrel is slightly different than the P2000... so you can't even use a P2000 barrel as an extended P2000sk barrel and thread it. |
They have the same length of trigger pull. If your finger is almost touching your palm, you most likely need to change your grip way before you change guns. |
I'd tell him to take that up with HK then. If the mechanism wasnt there with HK's intent of it being a slide release, they never would have put the lever on both sides. Though I tend to agree that it should solely be used as a lock. I slingshot my slides whenever possible. |
It's not a slide release. It's a slide stop. "Releasing" is something it can do but not what it is. It's sole purpose is to stop the slides forward travel when the magazine is empty. |
You mean like the one my buddy who won 1st prize in the annual NRA sweepstakes a couple of years ago GAVE me?  My CQC holster for it came in yesterday. |
Grrrrrrr!!!!  
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I've got both the UPSc .40, and a P2000sk .40. Both guns have the LEM trigger. I have trained with, and shot the USPc for years, and thousands upon thousands of rounds. For some reason, I shoot the P2000sk better and faster. Even though I've only had it for a month. The LEM trigger on the P2000sk feels better, but the trigger reset is over twice as long. I've never shot a fullsize P2000. But I don't think you can go wrong with either one. I train to release the slide via the slingshot method, but 90% of the time, on both guns. The slide falls when I seat the new magazine. So the ambi slide release on the P2000 has been kind of a moot point. If only the other manufactures would adopt the HK style magazine release. And HK would come out with the HK45 allready. |
I have read/heard that the LEM trigger in the P2000 series is actually different from (and presumably better than) the one in the USP series. I believe the LEM was developed first for the P2000 and a retrofit was then developed for the USP. I have the LEM in my P2000. It is probably my favorite handgun trigger. It is very similar to the 2-stage trigger I have in my AR. |
HK calls it slide release. Let's call it slide release for our communication purposes, so we're on the same page. Nobody RTFM anymore. |
Not a huge deal, but for the sake of accuracy: While it is true the P2000 uses a more standard rail, it is not a picitinny rail. The newer, yet to be released HK 45 has a true picitinny rail on it, the P2000's are whats commonly called a Universal rail. They are different and not necessarily interchangable. Picitinny rail (as found on their upcoming HK45 and the P3000:   Universal rail as found on P2000's:  HK rail as found on USP series: 
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I have both. I use the USP Compact with the my right hand (variant 1-DA/SA/Decocker/Safety) and for my left hand I use the P2000 (V3 - DA/SA/Decocker) Mags for both are the same. At least for my .357 SIG. I have had no problems with the .40 or .357 mags in either gun. I have no lasers or lights mounted on either gun. I'm really happy with both guns. |
