Posted: 4/19/2010 3:46:59 AM EDT
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I am looking at the PPS for CCW. I would compare against the Kahr. Frankly, I have problems taking down the Kahr...arthritis in the hands. What is takedown like for the PPS? Then there is calibre? 9mm or 40? I am leaning toward 40 because Buds Police has them is stock. Comments please... |
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take down is very easy. Once the trigger is pulled in a safe direction, push down on the down the releases on both sides and the slide slides forward. Most slide components pop out quite easily. The sub frame in the frame is a little more difficult. But i dont see a reason to remove it.
the 40 may be a little snappy for your arthritis. My 9mm is very managable. Saturday, i took a class and shot 500 rounds. My wrists were not sore. I don't have arthritis, but a lot of shooting usually gets my wrists sore using bigger calibers. You will be happy with a PPS. 500 rounds in 6 hours. Ran perfect. I've had it for 6 weeks and well over 1000 rounds, no FTFs no FTE. |
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I have the .40 and I really like it. Easily concealable and thus far with 450+ rounds I had one stovepipe from the last round out of a magazine and that was within the first 50 rounds. Other than that, flawless. I don't find the recoil difficult at all, but then I'm a 10mm shooter, and I got the PPS as a back up gun, so my sense of recoil is a little skewed.
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I have the .40 and I really like it. Easily concealable and thus far with 450+ rounds I had one stovepipe from the last round out of a magazine and that was within the first 50 rounds. Other than that, flawless. I don't find the recoil difficult at all, but then I'm a 10mm shooter, and I got the PPS as a back up gun, so my sense of recoil is a little skewed. How do you wear it as a BUG? Is it close to being too big for a backup? |
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Got my 9mm PPS this last weekend and ran 100 rounds through it at the range. I don't know about recoil in the .40, but in the 9mm, it's relatively mild. I have osteoarthritis in my hands and was diagnosed today with carpal tunnel in both wrists. The 9 didn't bother me at all.
That being said, shooting never seems to be a discomfort. The handgun with the most recoil I ever owned was a S&W 642. With .357 loads, it was like having a tight grip on a cherry bomb when it goes off. The blast actually numbed the arthritis for about 45 minutes, or so. Seemed like an advantage. 
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I've had a 9mm PPS for about 14 months now and have been very, very pleased with it.
It's accuracy is amazing for such a short barrel and the reliability has been 100%. About 1200 rds of assorted fmj and jhp ammo thru it now with zero malfunctions. Very small and easy to conceal. It's also a breeze to take apart and clean. IMO, Walther really hit it out of the park with this pistol.
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i took a self denfense handgun course last sat. We ran 500 rounds. My PPS was one of a couple of guns that had NO malfunctions. There was some intense drills. I've had my PPS 6 weeks and ran abot 1000 rounds thru it with not one issue.
It was the smallest gun in the class and was as accurate as any gun in the class. I carry mine everywhere. It is so light i forget i have it on. I can where it in a MTAC with draw sting shorts and it doesnt pull on them. It is that light, but heavy enough to shoot 500 rounds in 7 hours without getting tired. |
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I have the .40 and I really like it. Easily concealable and thus far with 450+ rounds I had one stovepipe from the last round out of a magazine and that was within the first 50 rounds. Other than that, flawless. I don't find the recoil difficult at all, but then I'm a 10mm shooter, and I got the PPS as a back up gun, so my sense of recoil is a little skewed. How do you wear it as a BUG? Is it close to being too big for a backup? I'm not a big guy so wearing it ankle holster is a bit of a stretch. I have to have dress slacks or BDUs on to wear it that way. Usually it's IWB small of the back if I have my Glock 20 in its fanny pack, or in the front pocket if I'm wearing BDUs or similar cargo pants and the G20 or 29 is in a belt holster. The Fobus Paddle holster holds the PPS quite nicely tight against my waist if I'm wearing it 2-4 O'clock. I usually have the 10mms in a fanny pack, so if I'm just running into the store quickly or something the fanny pack often stays in the car, while the PPS is always strapped to my body somewhere. It replaced a KelTec P32 which I liked for the size but not for the caliber (and the trigger pull was horrible). I haven't had it long enough to really settle where I'm carrying it BUG, but I'm starting to see some consistancy in my preferences. It is close to being too big, which is why I was considering a Kahr PM40, but since I've had it a few months I've come to really like it. If Glock ever came out with a 10mm the size of the G36 I'd probably replace the PPS with it, but that seems to be a pipe dream. |
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I like my 9mm PPS a lot and bought one of the first ones seen in these parts.
You'll notice a lot of people put a grip sleeve on them, probably finding as I did that just a little more girth on the grip makes it perfect. If you are worried about recoil, a company named Limbsaver has sleeves that fit this pistol and extend upward slightly, protecting the web of the thumb as well as the palm. It is made out of something exotic that is claimed and apparently does soak up recoil. It is a perfect match for the PPS, and one I'd advise looking into if you are recoil sensitive. For myself, I was just trying to make the grip a shade fatter in the hand, so it's all good. |
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This is all really good to hear. I took the little woman shopping today and she fell instantly in love with a PPS. Being a Glock guy myself I had never heard of it. The only reviews I had time to read at stoplights on the way home were from early on when they apparently had a couple of issues. This would be a carry gun, so my main concern was with reliability. That doesn't sound like that should be an issue. |
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This is all really good to hear. I took the little woman shopping today and she fell instantly in love with a PPS. Being a Glock guy myself I had never heard of it. The only reviews I had time to read at stoplights on the way home were from early on when they apparently had a couple of issues. This would be a carry gun, so my main concern was with reliability. That doesn't sound like that should be an issue. They like the PPS over at the defensive carry forum. I love mine. I feel like it is almost the perfect carry. If it had a bit more capacity it would be perfect, IMHO. |
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I've had my PPS 9mm for a little over 6 months. Shot well over 1200 rounds through it and it is my everyday carry.
What an awesome little pistol. Shoots great, flawless reliability, great accuracy, easy concealment. Scores a perfect 10 with me. I would recommend it to anyone. |
| I held one last week and loved it. I took the grip sleeve off and liked it better without it. Only thing I worried about is getting used to that mag release. I didnt have enough time to practice so Iam sure if it would start to feel more natural or not. Great little pistol though. |
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I thought i wouldn't like the mag release. I found it to be faster than a tradition mag release. It isn't that hard to get used either, because it is a more natural movement and much faster. Just sweep any available finger or thumb down and voila. You don't have to pull your fingers back and lose your grip to release a mag. I now prefer the euro style mag release. |
| I've handled several. Like most everything about it. Thinking about replacing my J frame with a PPS 9 with 6 round mag in a pocket holster, or my P7M8 with a PPS with 7 round mag in IWB. I hear that it is more accurate than anything that small has a right to be. Best local prices are $650. |
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I've handled several. Like most everything about it. Thinking about replacing my J frame with a PPS 9 with 6 round mag in a pocket holster, or my P7M8 with a PPS with 7 round mag in IWB. I hear that it is more accurate than anything that small has a right to be. Best local prices are $650. Check out Armslist. Theres a guy not far from me with a .40 pps used for $500. |
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BUY IT! You won't regret it! I just bought a new 9mm PPS to supplement my HK45C (little too big to carry all the time for me). I've only ran 175 rounds through it so far, 25 of which were 147gr Gold Dots. I had the second round jam when the slide failed to fully come forward, but everything after that was smooth going.
It is ugly as sin and isn't as comfortable as my HK, but it works and is damn thin. Recoil is very manageable and mild for it's size and weight, certainly less than the Smith 642 and Kahr PM9 I shot next to it. It breaks down just like a Glock, though the manual says to pull off the back strap instead of pulling the trigger. Both seem to decock it, I guess the back strap is just considered a safer way to take it down. |
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Unsat trigger reset. Impossible to quickly engage multiple targets. Trigger failed to reset during dry firing. Unacceptable. The slide needs to move in order to cock the striker and reset the trigger. So if you are dry firing, you need to rack the slide back to cock the weapon again and reset the trigger. If you are firing live ammunition, that should take care of cocking the weapon and resetting the trigger. |
| Just picked up a new 9mm PPS w/night sights last week. I have had it to the range twice in the past 6 days and have shot around 300 rounds. I have had zero issues and found it very comfortable and accurate for such a small gun. I was able to shoot it much better then I can shoot my Kahr PM9 or K9. I just ordered a RGrizzle holster for it today so it will soon be my new carry piece for the summer. |
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I thought i wouldn't like the mag release. I found it to be faster than a tradition mag release. It isn't that hard to get used either, because it is a more natural movement and much faster. Just sweep any available finger or thumb down and voila. You don't have to pull your fingers back and lose your grip to release a mag. I now prefer the euro style mag release. Me too. The Euro lever release is SOOooo superior to the traditional button release IF thought is put into it's design. My walther P99 has it and reloads are much smoother and don't require a shift of the grip like many pistols do. |
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Me too. The Euro lever release is SOOooo superior to the traditional button release IF thought is put into it's design. My walther P99 has it and reloads are much smoother and don't require a shift of the grip like many pistols do. And I don't accidently release the mag when I am leaning against things... |
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Unsat trigger reset. Impossible to quickly engage multiple targets. Trigger failed to reset during dry firing. Unacceptable. The slide needs to move in order to cock the striker and reset the trigger. So if you are dry firing, you need to rack the slide back to cock the weapon again and reset the trigger. If you are firing live ammunition, that should take care of cocking the weapon and resetting the trigger. no shit sherlock.  the trigger is unsat. one of the worst triggers on the market. the pull is not bad but hell if you can find the reset.
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Unsat trigger reset. Impossible to quickly engage multiple targets. Trigger failed to reset during dry firing. Unacceptable. The slide needs to move in order to cock the striker and reset the trigger. So if you are dry firing, you need to rack the slide back to cock the weapon again and reset the trigger. If you are firing live ammunition, that should take care of cocking the weapon and resetting the trigger. no shit sherlock. the trigger is unsat. one of the worst triggers on the market. the pull is not bad but hell if you can find the reset.I guess I don't know what the issue is either then because I too fail to understand what you are complaining about. You are saying that the trigger is not resetting during dry firing. Are you saying that it fails to reset when you partially or fully rack the slide after dry firing or that it fails to reset like say... a Beretta 92 trigger after being dry fired? No need to start getting snarky because your post is not clear.... |
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Unsat trigger reset. Impossible to quickly engage multiple targets. Trigger failed to reset during dry firing. Unacceptable. The slide needs to move in order to cock the striker and reset the trigger. So if you are dry firing, you need to rack the slide back to cock the weapon again and reset the trigger. If you are firing live ammunition, that should take care of cocking the weapon and resetting the trigger. no shit sherlock. the trigger is unsat. one of the worst triggers on the market. the pull is not bad but hell if you can find the reset.I guess I don't know what the issue is either then because I too fail to understand what you are complaining about. You are saying that the trigger is not resetting during dry firing. Are you saying that it fails to reset when you partially or fully rack the slide after dry firing or that it fails to reset like say... a Beretta 92 trigger after being dry fired? No need to start getting snarky because your post is not clear.... Not being snarky. Just real. I spent a great deal of time trying to love this weapon. The short fall is the trigger reset. It will get you killed. The pull is fine but rapid follow up are impossible. not only is the reset long and slow it is also inconsistent. It jumps around from shot to shot. Even while dry firing by fully cycling the slide the reset failed to respond. slide had to be racked again for trigger to take. |
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Unsat trigger reset. Impossible to quickly engage multiple targets. Trigger failed to reset during dry firing. Unacceptable. The slide needs to move in order to cock the striker and reset the trigger. So if you are dry firing, you need to rack the slide back to cock the weapon again and reset the trigger. If you are firing live ammunition, that should take care of cocking the weapon and resetting the trigger. no shit sherlock. the trigger is unsat. one of the worst triggers on the market. the pull is not bad but hell if you can find the reset.I guess I don't know what the issue is either then because I too fail to understand what you are complaining about. You are saying that the trigger is not resetting during dry firing. Are you saying that it fails to reset when you partially or fully rack the slide after dry firing or that it fails to reset like say... a Beretta 92 trigger after being dry fired? No need to start getting snarky because your post is not clear.... Not being snarky. Just real. I spent a great deal of time trying to love this weapon. The short fall is the trigger reset. It will get you killed. The pull is fine but rapid follow up are impossible. not only is the reset long and slow it is also inconsistent. It jumps around from shot to shot. Even while dry firing by fully cycling the slide the reset failed to respond. slide had to be racked again for trigger to take. You're saying you have to cycle twice to dry fire? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unsat trigger reset. Impossible to quickly engage multiple targets. Trigger failed to reset during dry firing. Unacceptable. The slide needs to move in order to cock the striker and reset the trigger. So if you are dry firing, you need to rack the slide back to cock the weapon again and reset the trigger. If you are firing live ammunition, that should take care of cocking the weapon and resetting the trigger. no shit sherlock. the trigger is unsat. one of the worst triggers on the market. the pull is not bad but hell if you can find the reset.I guess I don't know what the issue is either then because I too fail to understand what you are complaining about. You are saying that the trigger is not resetting during dry firing. Are you saying that it fails to reset when you partially or fully rack the slide after dry firing or that it fails to reset like say... a Beretta 92 trigger after being dry fired? No need to start getting snarky because your post is not clear.... Not being snarky. Just real. I spent a great deal of time trying to love this weapon. The short fall is the trigger reset. It will get you killed. The pull is fine but rapid follow up are impossible. not only is the reset long and slow it is also inconsistent. It jumps around from shot to shot. Even while dry firing by fully cycling the slide the reset failed to respond. slide had to be racked again for trigger to take. You're saying you have to cycle twice to dry fire? Mine came with the same problem. It would not reset the trigger after racking the slide/or firing a shot around 50% of the time. If you released the slide with the slide release it would not reset the trigger 100% of the time. So you end up with slide closed. Round in the chamber. Trigger stuck all the way back. Loaded magazine, empty magazine, no magazine, real fire, dry fire, it didn't matter. You'd often end up with slide closed and trigger all the way back. Also sometimes between shots the slide would not return to battery, this only happened during real fire. It'd stop 1/8" from full lock up. The problems might be gone now after putting 200 painstaking rounds through it and hand cycling the slide about 2000 times. I still don't trust the thing enough to carry it. |
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I have a .40 PPS. It kicks like a horse and my hands tends to hurt after 100 rds. BUT...I still love it. Excellent quality and the Walther name, Yes, I'm into the name brand. I had the same issue. I fixed it with a Hogue Jr. rubber grip. Put 100 rds through it after putting the grip on and there was no fatigue or pain or bruising in my hand afterward like there was before the grip. |
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I like my PPS. I still use a custom Kahr P-9 often for summer carry but the PPS may get moved up in line soon if I can find night sights I like. Get the XS big dot when they are out. Perhaps the best fighting sites out there... Any word on if/when there will be night sights out for the PPS? I bought the 9mm and the .40 while I was home on leave from A'stan. I really like the concealability and the overall ergonomics. I carry 6+1 with the .40, and the extra mag fits in the 5th pocket of most of my pants. (haven't found a mag holster, either belt or pocket, that I really like yet) It is very light, so much so that it is easy to forget that you are wearing it. The accuracy is pretty amazing for such a short barrel. The recoil is pretty snappy, I feel it more in the heel of my hand than in my wrist, but as I stated earlier the grip sleeve fixed that. Simple to take down and clean. The only issue that I had was the slide would not go forward when pressing the release, and had to be pushed forward with the heel of my hand. Upon dissassembly I determined that the gun was still dirty from the trip to the range while I was on R&R (4 months prior to issue), so I broke it down and cleaned it when I got home. It seems that this gun does not like being dirty. Other than that one time, the gun has been a flawless performer. The only issue that my wife has had with the 9mm was failure to return to battery, and we determined that she was limp-wristing the gun, which the PPS is susceptible to, especially in 9mm. Once we corrected her grip, the 9mm also had no further issues. |