[ARCHIVED THREAD] - P99 Carry? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 9/28/2006 10:52:56 AM EDT
| How many guys here CC their P99? I am planning to carry the P99, but am a little concerned about just the decock an no safety. How do you carry yours? One in the chamber or not? |
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This should not be about the gun alone..... If you are not secure enought to carry one in the chamber it doesn't matter what gun you carry..... Glock, Walther, H&K and so on... I am not listing guns with safties here ..... The DA pull of a P99/AS is much heavier than a Glcok pull and longer too The P99/QA... not sure about the length.. but I know the triggerweight is heavier than on a Glock Any holster should have enough cover on the trigger that you don't have to worry about carrying with one laoded in the chamber So I would say.... the gun is safe to carry loaded and decocked.... and some would argue that the P99 is safe to carry even cocked due to the long triggerpull if you just load the chamber (thats why Walther calls it a "AS" anti stress trigger) granted you have it in a holster designed for the P99 *edit to answer your other part of the question I carry loaded and decocked..... I got a holster from Walther that I bought from Earl's for my P99c and a Kydex for fullsize P99 although my P99c will fit in the Kydex too... |
| Thanks for the replies guys! I have been trying different holsters even elastic band holsters and have found that the DA trigger pull is long enough that it would be very difficult to get the trigger to actually release even when pushed on hard in the elastic band. I have been practicing pulling from the holster with the first shot being DA. I have to concentrate a little more thru the trigger pull, but the follow up shots are a breeze. |
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For better first round DA accuracy, try taking some of the slack out of the trigger as you are bringing the pistol to full presentation (only after you've cleared the holster and the pistol is pointing at the target of course). It takes a lot of slow practice, but the more you do it the faster it will get. Just my humble pistol drawing advice. |
New people carrying guns sometimes take a while to get comfortable carrying a gun - when I got my CCW in 1996 and carried my Glock, I was a bit nervous at first. It passes after a while. Don't worry. Get a good holster, though :)  Visit: www.handgunforum.net/ |
Ok Shipwreck where did you get and how much did the holsters cost? |
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Yes, the lether holster is the Bianchi 7L - I ordered it in Dec 05 from Midway USA. The other holster is a Galco Matrix belt holster (they also make a Matrix paddle holster, but I like the belt holster better). It is only about $19, and it is a nice holster. They don't make 1 for the P99 - but this is actually an HK USP compact holster. I bought it for my USP, and I discovered that my SW99, fullsize P99 and compact P99 all fit in the holster just fine :) |
I carry mine in the same rig but I hit the decocker before holstering. |
| OK guys I got a Uncle Mike's (Kydex) Belt version, they were out of the paddle. I also got a Fobus paddle to try. So far the Uncle Mike's seems to be better to draw from but I like the paddle on the fobus. I guess I need to just find me an Uncle Mike's Paddle version. |
I have a couple of belly bands to. A 4" and a 6". I agree with you SpyHawk the bands would be much better for concealment. The paddled fobus I purchased does hang closer to the body than the belt loop Uncle Mikes I got. Is you Fobus really tight on the draw? Mine is. I am assuming you can adjust that? |
| If the weapon is mechanically sound,well maintained, etc. then it'll be fine.....cocked and locked. The thing should not go bang if it's secured in a proper fitting holster, meant for the weapon. I'm a Cop and also carry a cocked and locked. No problems yet and don't expect any in the future. Good luck on your choice and train-up with whatever you select. |
| My apologies...When I stated,"cocked and locked," I was referring to the 1911. Basically what I was getting at was that if the pistol of choice is well maintained and the operator understands it's function/controls then there shouldnt be a problem. BTW, The P99 has a decocker, from what was described by Hakim. |
I have bought 2 elastic band holsters, 1 Fobus paddle, and 2 Uncle Mikes, 1 paddle and 1 for the belt. The elastic bands are obviously better for concealment. I really like the UM's paddle holster it is comfortable and no chance accidental trigger actuation in the holster. It would be very difficult to get the trigger to pull all the way in DA in the elastic band holster as well. I will probably start with the elastic and carry with the chamber empty the first few times and then go to the chambered decocked after I get use to carrying. Just need to get my letter and wait till January! I would really like to use the UM's paddle, but it kind of sticks out a little. I could probably get away with using it in the winter under a coat.Here's the Uncle Mikes Paddle.  
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Never had a problem. I loosen my belt and drop it in the left side of my pants, bottom of the grip/mag facing out towards the front and recinch my belt. My buddy carries his Ruger the same way. we are both in and out of vehicles, climbing and moving stuff around. Even running equipment doesn't bother it. WE not be no ganstas...We just got no holstas!!! |
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Cover that trigger! I know a guy who didn't use a seatbelt for 5 years and never got hurt, so no one needs one? There's a pic of some kid showing pistol handling to his buds. In the end, he puts the pistol in his pocket. a bit later it goes off, into his foot. a problem would be pretty rare, but you really don't want to be the one in the "one in a hundred". I use CTAC, great option. |
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Ok ill play. I have carried my P99 IWB and it goes in a kydex springboc holster. These weapons are perfectly safe to cary ina leather or rigid form fitting holster. There is no need to worry about their safety. They are like a glock. Only you get a lighter trigger pull after the first shot. Chamber a live round, De cock, and Holster. No worys. I had a stupid idea that glocks were unsafe to cary hot when I first bought one. I did not trust myself or my previous training as I had always relied on a manual safety. I carried on an empty chamber rationalizing that I would have the time to draw. Now, I have gone and taken several pistol courses and earned three different certifications , and am currently employed as a armed security guard. I cary a glock 17. You will not have time to chamber a round in real life. I know this now. These weapons are safe, as long as you don't finger fiddle the trigger. They REQUIRE you to have discipline. Don't pull the friggin trigger and it willlllll NOT GO Bang. Carrying concealed is a tactical misnomer. You are not supposed to be walking around with the idea that you want to get involved. Your supposed to cary to protect you and your family, and maybe your SUV..... etc AT AL. that means you'll be in a close ambush situation with a knife, or a gun, being held on you (or a family member) .... The Idea that you will draw the weapon, chamber a round, and then act is beyond the limits of time you have. One, you will not be threatening anyone before you draw. They don't know you have a gun. Keep the element of surprise. Two, You may need to keep an attacker at bay for a spit second with a door or a brief case, your going to need your left hand for that.... How are you going to draw and chamber? The bottom line is... Cary Hot. It is the right thing to do. And if it makes you nervous, please seek more training, and get to know the martial traits of pistol craft. If you cary concealed think of your self as a honey bee. Potent defence means never having to use it. If you have to use your stinger Your screwed anyway, make a good show of it. Having to chamber in a close fight is not an option. Ps The Israelis used to cary unchambered because of so many different pistols being issued, and the inability to train the users on all the different safeties. We get to train intimately with any chosen weapon. That means we get to be better prepared than even the israelis. The P99 is safe. It is not designed to be carried cocked and locked. It is designed to be carried like a sig 226, or a Glock. Uncocked and chambered. |
G K - DO you think Glocks are cocked, at rest , with a loaded chamber? You need to read or own one. The action is called a safe action. The pulling of the trigger cocks the weapon, and releases the striker firing pin. The only way a glock can fire is if you place a finger on the trigger, deactivate the safety and pull the trigger. |
Well what he is saying is..... the Glocks are all precocked once a round is chambered.. short and light trigger..... where the P99/AS has a decocker...so you have a DA first shot, therefor the trigger cockes the striker.... not like a precocked Glock where the striker is already partially cocked when chambering a round and you have no decocker |
UnCut For the love of christ go buy a Glock so you can know what you are talking about. Glocks are not partialy cocked witha shorter trigger pull. The couch comandos amaze me. CCW I use a Black Hawk fannypack for hot weather. Glock 19 I also use a Tarus titanium 7 shot 357 revolver for winter coat pocket cary and camping. My P99 is a rare cary. It is a favorite range hound tho. My wife prefers its trigger pull over the glocks. |
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I was going over situations when I was thinking about how I wanted to carry my P99QA. Idealy the safest way (for personal defense) is chambered and decocked or cocked with a safety on. But then I began to think about how it doesnt seem any faster to have one already chambered and decocked as you have to move the slide back a fraction of an inch to recock. When I was practicing this quickly, I found that I would accidently eject the first round and rechamber a new one while trying to recock in a quick response situation. This made me think "Whats the point of having one chambered If I have to fiddle with the slide anyhow before being prepared to fire". After numerous practice runs with snap caps I found I had a quicker response time if I just left it unchambered and racked the slide than I did if I had one chambered and had to recock the slide. Your Thoughts, Go.. |
pardon me what would you say a Glock is then ??? Once you chamber a round your striker is partial cocked... otherwise how would you explain a 4.5 or 5.5 lbs triggerpull with half inch travel ??(based on some of the 9mm Glocks) Do you think your Glock is DAO ??? I don't get it... if you have a hard primer and your Glock doesn't go bang can you pull the trigger to cock your striker ??? No you can't since your striker is not precocked anymore and you will have to rack the slide in order to recock maybe look at this video too..... umm I guess that striker isn't precocked neither huh I think it clearly shows that the Glock is a precocked gun just like the P99/QA only difference is that the P99/QA has a decocker on the slide and the Glock doesn't either way... both pistols are not able to be shot if not precocked video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2110885251432278603&q=Glock+pistols&hl=en |
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www.handgunsmag.com/featured_handguns/glock38_112805/index1.html Ok just for those you don't get my broken english...... I think this article sums it up |
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and just to humor some here is a DEA agent that shoots himself in the foot with a Glock after he just told the class he is the only one in the room professional to handle it.... www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0411061foot1.html |
How on earth did he do that? Did he pull the trigger while he racked that round? And why on earth is he loading a chamber in an elementry school classroom? |
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Like I said Go learn about a glock.They are not partialy cocked. Video of someone pulling a trigger is not good science. Your ignorance is bliss. Most people familiar with the P99s mechanism would apply the falacy of a cocked striker to that firearm too. The design of the striker being behind the sear is to limit its forward travel. IE Inertialy limit the striker firing pin. Just like the friggin p99. P99 info: (Wow a striker that is partialy interacted with by the Sear/trigger....Well geee Thats kinda like an improoved glock.Hmmmmm)Using an ingenious decocker system, the P99 has a striker with an exceptionally wide sear portion extending downward. In the forward, double action mode the striker is in position to be picked up by the claw-like double action sear on the transfer bar of the trigger. When the trigger is pulled through double action, the claw draws the striker back until it is cammed out of engagement, releasing it to go forward. The striker is not reset by the slide, and if the pistol is empty the trigger can be pulled double action over and over as with a double action revolver. If the pistol is fired double action, the movement of the slide automatically sets the striker rearward to the single action mode. Here the trigger remains to the rear requiring only about 1/8 of an inch of travel forward to be reset for the next shot. If the trigger is released during single action fire, it goes only partly forward where the single action safety notch on the trigger arm comes into play with the frame. Pulling the trigger again causes it to pivot and unlock as with the double action notch of the trigger arm. If at any time the shooter wishes to decock the P99, the polymer decocking block in the upper left rear of the slide need only be depressed. This is most easily accomplished by using the left thumb for a right-handed shooter, or the right index finger for a left-hander from a modified Weaver hold. If the P99 were fired one-handed, it would have to be shifted in the hand to decock. When the decocking block is depressed, it cams the single action sear-actuator lever forward. This trips the single action sear, allowing the striker to go forward to stop against the depressed decocking block. When the decocker is released to return to its upper position, it clears the striker for forward movement to fire the pistol the next time the trigger is pulled. We have described the two modes of fire and the two trigger positions of the P99, but there's more. When the pistol is loaded by releasing the slide to chamber a round, it remains in the single action mode, but with the trigger in the forward double action position. Here, the only thing required to bring the trigger to the single action position is a very light pull. Similar to the "Fast Action" mode designed by Browning some years ago, and now incorporated in Kimber's Daewoo pistol, this movement simply brings the trigger into position to engage the single action sear. Gloks info: Glock pistols use an internal safety mechanism with three components, with no external thumb activated safety switch as might be found on traditional-design pistols. Glock calls this the "Safe Action" system. All three safeties are disabled one after the other when the trigger is depressed. They are: Trigger Safety: An external lever mechanism contained within the trigger that prevents the trigger from moving unless the lever is depressed. Striker Safety: A spring-loaded pin attached by an extension bar to the trigger assembly blocks the striker from striking the primer of the cartridge until the trigger is pulled. Drop Safety: The far end of the same extension bar locks the striker into place from the rear until the trigger is pulled. Similar systems for internal safeties have since become standard for many major manufacturers of semi-automatic pistols. However, Glock pistols, like any other firearm, can discharge and cause injury or death if the operator accidentally or negligently manipulates the trigger. The absence of a traditional safety switch means that Glock users who intend to carry the gun on their person with the loaded chamber must be cautious (as they should be for any type of firearm) of keeping their finger off of the trigger when holstering or unholstering the gun. |
Is the P99QA a single action only? |