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3/7/2010 6:26:47 PM EDT
What is the lowest recoil practice (ball) ammo???

Know a female that is pretty recoil sensitive and her husband already has a 9mm.
3/7/2010 7:02:41 PM EDT
[#1]
Quoted:
What is the lowest recoil practice (ball) ammo???

Know a female that is pretty recoil sensitive and her husband already has a 9mm.


Does your friend reload?
I think that would be the best way to get 9mm with less recoil.

PITA45
3/7/2010 7:28:57 PM EDT
[#2]
Quoted:
Quoted:
What is the lowest recoil practice (ball) ammo???

Know a female that is pretty recoil sensitive and her husband already has a 9mm.


Does your friend reload?
I think that would be the best way to get 9mm with less recoil.

PITA45


Friend does not reload.  Surprisingly, I do not know anyone that does.  I should get him to buy me a Dillon
3/7/2010 7:30:50 PM EDT
[#3]
9mm lite = 380
3/7/2010 8:29:12 PM EDT
[#4]
Remington UMC is pretty soft shooting.
3/8/2010 5:04:36 AM EDT
[#5]
Blaser brass is light shooting, IMO.
3/8/2010 7:23:46 AM EDT
[#6]
Monarch steel barely makes power (for IDPA), where other factory loads I know of make it easily.
3/8/2010 8:10:06 AM EDT
[#7]




Quoted:

9mm lite = 380




Most 380s are pretty small and therefore the recoil is a bit more.
3/8/2010 8:13:32 AM EDT
[#8]



Quoted:





Quoted:

9mm lite = 380


Most 380s are pretty small and therefore the recoil is a bit more.


+1



My Keltec feels more like a full-power .357 when you shoot it.



 
3/8/2010 8:30:29 AM EDT
[#9]
I haven't noticed any appreciable difference in 9mm FMJ loads as far as recoil is concerned.  Like all autoloaders, nines require a certain amount of "oomph" to operate.

If she's recoil sensitive, careful selection of handgun will do more than ammo selection.  Find something with some weight to it; the all steel Smith 3rd generation guns come to mind.  Avoid very light weight or compact rigs, also try to avoid high bore axis.  The compact 380's are the last thing you want to try.
3/8/2010 9:53:44 AM EDT
[#10]
Agree. The gun will be the greater factor in recoil. I see no difference in 115gr vs 124gr vs 147gr in a G17 or Beretta M9.
3/8/2010 10:13:16 AM EDT
[#11]
It would be better to just coach her in proper grip and aggressive stance and just don;t worry about some magic 9mm load.  I've seen petite females jump in and learn .40 S&W well enough to pass police qual in 40 hours.
3/8/2010 1:51:46 PM EDT
[#12]
I agree.

Just looking to make the experience as pleasurable as possible and build her confidence (increase experience) by making the recoil a little less.  

This could be accomplished easier with another gun but the 9mm is what my buddy has.
3/14/2010 5:14:53 AM EDT
[#13]
If you are confined to factory ammo, a good trick is to have them warm up with something that has heavy recoil… (10 rounds will do)

Then drop back to your 'range' ammo and the contrast will make it seem like nothing!

Don't sugarcoat it, tell them exactly what you are doing, warming up with full power then dropping back to practice ammo.
3/15/2010 12:57:00 PM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
If you are confined to factory ammo, a good trick is to have them warm up with something that has heavy recoil… (10 rounds will do)

Then drop back to your 'range' ammo and the contrast will make it seem like nothing!

Don't sugarcoat it, tell them exactly what you are doing, warming up with full power then dropping back to practice ammo.



Or they are going to have a really bad flinch.
3/19/2010 6:31:39 AM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
Quoted:
If you are confined to factory ammo, a good trick is to have them warm up with something that has heavy recoil… (10 rounds will do)

Then drop back to your 'range' ammo and the contrast will make it seem like nothing!

Don't sugarcoat it, tell them exactly what you are doing, warming up with full power then dropping back to practice ammo.



Or they are going to have a really bad flinch.


Just about guarantees a flinch.
3/19/2010 7:30:47 AM EDT
[#16]



Quoted:


What is the lowest recoil practice (ball) ammo???


115 grain Prvi.



 
3/19/2010 8:33:09 AM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
If you are confined to factory ammo, a good trick is to have them warm up with something that has heavy recoil… (10 rounds will do)

Then drop back to your 'range' ammo and the contrast will make it seem like nothing!

Don't sugarcoat it, tell them exactly what you are doing, warming up with full power then dropping back to practice ammo.



Or they are going to have a really bad flinch.


Just about guarantees a flinch.


After having gone through police training where they just start non-shooters (females included) off on regular power ammo and train them to OK standards in a fairly short amount of time, I think most techniques like starting with weaker ammo, etc are kind of in vain.   As an instructor I think the best bet is not even mention or talk about the recoil, you're just psyching the student out.   Just coach proper grip and stance from day one and begin dealing with recoil from day one.  A good way to detect flinch and teach them what good trigger control feels like is the ball and dummy drill.   For me I've shot tens of thousands of 22 rounds, but when you move to a bigger cartridge you have to discipline yourself to good trigger control, your subconscious knows "ok - it's not a 22 anymore".   Just my 2 cents, I know it wasn't the OP's original question.
3/20/2010 6:44:27 AM EDT
[#18]
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Blaser brass is light shooting, IMO.


Blazer Brass has weak ejection but functions reliably in all of my 9mms. It is a really light load. Give it a shot.
3/21/2010 5:51:03 AM EDT
[#19]
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If you are confined to factory ammo, a good trick is to have them warm up with something that has heavy recoil… (10 rounds will do)

Then drop back to your 'range' ammo and the contrast will make it seem like nothing!

Don't sugarcoat it, tell them exactly what you are doing, warming up with full power then dropping back to practice ammo.



Or they are going to have a really bad flinch.


Just about guarantees a flinch.


After having gone through police training where they just start non-shooters (females included) off on regular power ammo and train them to OK standards in a fairly short amount of time, I think most techniques like starting with weaker ammo, etc are kind of in vain.   As an instructor I think the best bet is not even mention or talk about the recoil, you're just psyching the student out.   Just coach proper grip and stance from day one and begin dealing with recoil from day one.  A good way to detect flinch and teach them what good trigger control feels like is the ball and dummy drill.   For me I've shot tens of thousands of 22 rounds, but when you move to a bigger cartridge you have to discipline yourself to good trigger control, your subconscious knows "ok - it's not a 22 anymore".   Just my 2 cents, I know it wasn't the OP's original question.


Actually that is closer to my opinion too…

I have used both methods depending on the person and the purpose of the training results.

I have done the mass training, 1,000+ a week but the One-on-One is more fun and rewarding
3/24/2010 2:11:54 AM EDT
[#20]
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I haven't noticed any appreciable difference in 9mm FMJ loads as far as recoil is concerned.


I have. I stocked up on that Olympic 9mm when SGN had it for $99/1000 and it's about the lightest I have used.

The difference in recoil between it and standard Gold Dots is very obvious. And compared to that Federal 115g. +P+ from a few years ago like night and day.

Perhaps you shoot a fairly heavy gun?