[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Ranger SXT vs... (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 10/16/2007 7:08:56 AM EDT
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I need some good self defense/SHTF 9mm ammo for my glock 19 and was thinking about Ranger SXT 147 gr. I read the defensive ammo review and it doesn’t look like Ranger SXT even made the grade. These are the top five in order that was recommended: Barnes XPB 115gr HP (35515) loaded by: Cor-Bon (DPX09115) Winchester Partition Gold 124gr JHP (RA91P) Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP (RA9124TP) Winchester Ranger-T 127gr JHP +P+ (RA9TA) Winchester Ranger-T 147gr JHP (RA9T) Are any of the recommended Ranger ammo loaded with the SXT bullet? If not which self-defense load/SHTF do you recommend and why? I can get Ranger SXT 147 gr for about 40 cents a round if I buy a 500 round case. Is their any other ammo that is better for about the same price because I prefer to buy in bulk? Thanks |
suprshootr The Ranger-T ammo is a great product. I'm partial to the 127 +P+ load. My personal favorite and my carry ammo is still the Federal HST. Their +P loading is IMO the ultimate performer. Have a look here; Frag.110mb.com I have not updated in a while but I do have the denim results. IM me if you need more info. |
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One easy way to tell if you are buying the old Ranger SXT or the new stuff is to read the product code on the box. The old SXT ammo will have RA9SXT written on the bottom right hand corner of the box ends. The Ranger T will have RA9T. Both will have Ranger 9mm SXT written on the left upper side of the box end. Many people will spend hour reading info like velocity penetration etc but they will not read the box. The easiest way if you do not want to look at the ammo is just to go by price. If you paid 40.00 for a 50 round box you got the RA9SXT or ripped off. If you paid about 21.00 for a 50 round box you have the RA9T. If all else fails look at the bullet. A brass case with a black bullet is generally the SXT. A nickle case with a brass colored bullet is most likely the T-Series. Keep in mind that the Ranger line of ammo is very large. They use everything from frangible, fmj.jhp, SXT ie T-Series, Partition Gold, and Bonded jhp. This is just the handgun line. They also have many options in shotgun and rifle ammo. |
I know it does in gel, but I don't have the same faith in it that I do in lighter loads. |
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Everybody has their little "quirks" about guns or ammo. My little "quirk" is stupid and irrational but it is real to me since it takes me out of my comfort zone. I would rather carry my fmj than any hp ammo less than 230gr.in a 45. I would rather have fmj than hp ammo made by anyone other than Win Ranger, Fed Tactical, Rem GS. PMC Starfire. Do I have a scientific bases, no its just my thing. 
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Heavier loads are actually more likely to expand than lighter ones based on the test data from DocGKR. |
That's what I thought. |
It isn't an ordinal list. None of the rounds listed are rated or ranked. |
Correct. [ETA] Bonus points if you can work in the phrase "orthogonal" in your next post. 
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I have always been a Fan of Gold Dots I use the 45acp Flying ashtry load for a few years in my Colt Combat Elite Shooting metal plates those suckers would expand like a pancake |
the gold dots are good, but after watching live gellatin tests with both the GD and HST, i will stick with the HST as much as possible. expansion after going through multiple layers of cloth was more reliable and expansion was violent. |
Do you have a website for us to see? |
The SDPD documented their shootings very well with the 147 gr Ranger T. Sure, it's not "One Shot Stop" junk science, but sometimes we have to settle . . . |
Sorry for the confusion, I was referring to the HST and DPX. |
Wasn't essentially the same methodology used to develop the HST as the Ranger T? Penetration and expansion in ballistic gel with various barriers (like denim, etc.). I think that at this point, they have their testing procedures down. |
It is still new enough that I have not run across any real world flesh and blood shooting data. It passes the FBI Shooting tests and will be the issued 45 ammo for most Federal LE agencies after they burn up their old ammo. |
What if we already pratice as much as possible? Then can we freak out about ammo??  Does anyone have a good source for Ranger T and HST?? Some place that actually has it in stock and at a reasonable price. We have one local shop that carries the T, but they are so hit and miss regarding availability. 
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Winchester should have all of us dealers stocked up as early as June. Federal was supposed to be here two months ago. No ETA is being given by Federal right now, but I hear they are in production right now. |
What I mean is that if you select either Ranger T or HST, you should stop freaking out. I carry 1 mag of each when I CCW. Get both, right? |
I've found your website before through Google but I didn't know it was you that owned the site. Count on a pretty big order from me when you get restocked. 
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LOL, I knew what you meant. I was just giving you a hard time.
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Hotpig do you know a place I could preorder Winchest Ranger T through?
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+1 on buying from Hot Pig |
| Well if anybody is interested i have 2 full boxes of 50 rds. Boxes are in pretty good shape but have RCMP hand written on them. These are the white boxes with red, orange and black colors. Also have about 30 rds. without the box. Not sure what they are worth but maybe willing to work out a trade or something. Let me know here or email me at [email protected]. |
Collecting ammo would be to hard for me |
JUST GOT EMAIL FROM WINCHESTER Paul Nowak says the 127+P+ I selected works especially well in short barreled guns Much More likely TO EXPAND than heavy and slower 147 bullets especially at reduce velocityin short barrel handgun Talking about my Old S&W 6906 9mm |
Then I get emails from winchester saying the lighter 127 are better in SHORT BARRELS I guess I will draw my conclusions from Hunting
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Paul stated the 127 Is MUCH MORE likely to expand than the slow heavier 147gr bullets Not to say the 147 WONT expand I reloaded several types on my Dillon years ago and they expanded The XTP 147 reloads expanded pretty good and Very deep also in my 6906 |
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In my opinion, Federal Tactical 147 gr HST are the single greatest 9mm round ever developed. HST has proven itself in the ammo tests in the handgun forum best defensive ammo thread. You're talking a 9mm round that cuts through windshield glass, expands to around .68" and still penetrates deep and never loses its jacket. 100% weight retention through all mediums and tests. The rangers and such don't equal the HST in those same law enforcement conducted tests. They are only $21 for a box of 50 rounds. I wouldn't recommend anything less than 147gr HST. Brent |