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Posted: 10/16/2017 8:49:27 PM EDT
Bought 20 HST 150g micro 9mm for my H&K VP9SK.

Minimizes felt recoil and improves function in micro guns

Extreme bullet expansion

Consistent penetration depths

Any feedback for these rounds?  Ballistics tests?
Link Posted: 10/16/2017 8:54:31 PM EDT
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There are some great YouTube videos about this round and it has great performance on par with the 147 gr hst.

I carry this round in my g43 as the round was made for that pistol. Its performance is great in that pistol.

My only complaint is that I can't buy it in 50 Rd boxes.
Link Posted: 10/16/2017 8:59:02 PM EDT
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There are some great YouTube videos about this round and it has great performance on par with the 147 gr hst.

I carry this round in my g43 as the round was made for that pistol. It performance great in that pistol.

My only complaint is that I can't buy it in 50 Rd boxes.
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Yeah, that is the one thing that keeps me from buying them (no 50rd boxes).
Link Posted: 10/16/2017 9:25:23 PM EDT
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Watched YouTube video shot into ballistic gel through denim.

15.75 inch penetration, .625 magic mushroom,  985 FPS from Glock 26.  Glock barrel is .03 longer.

Looks impressive.  I'll look for barrier performance.  Auto glass, interior walls, heavy winter clothing.

Why doesn't Federal package 50 round boxes?  Any place you can buy bullets to roll your own?
Link Posted: 10/16/2017 9:42:00 PM EDT
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I wonder how they would do out of a glock 19. Make good subsonic self defense rounds.
Link Posted: 10/17/2017 12:33:25 AM EDT
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I wonder how they would do out of a glock 19. Make good subsonic self defense rounds.
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i doubt there would be any real-world improvement from this in your G19 over the 147 HSTs we all know, love, and buy in 50 round boxes all the time.
Link Posted: 10/17/2017 5:57:07 AM EDT
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Why anyone would want to reduce a 9mm's speed to go 850 to 950 fps from a 3 inch barrel is beyond me. The reduced speed makes it lose some hard barrier penetration. This 150 gr doesn't expand any more than other lighter loads to make a difference that go at 1100 to 1200 fps from a 3 inch barrel.

You also don't get any more penetration due to the extra weight to make a difference because it is a hollow point designed to parachute to a stop at a depth of 12 to 18 inches.

The 124 gr standard pressure already penetrates 15 to 17 inches and goes 1100 fps and doesn't clog up with denim unlike the 150 gr in the video below.

150 gr Clogs Up with Denim
Link Posted: 10/18/2017 12:05:04 PM EDT
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If Federal starts to market the 150 HST to LE agencies, we will see 50 round boxes.

Other than reduced recoil, I don't see the benefit over the 147. It's only 3 grains!

I'm starting to worry that the ammo makers are getting to geared toward performance in jell rather than real world, where rounds may have to punch through barriers. That takes velocity.

I'm perfectly happy carrying the HST 147 and 147+P in my G19, G26, and G43 for now

I guess it's always better to have more options. I'd like to see a 150+P HST doing close to 1100fps for a woods/trail load. 40SW loads in 155-165gr hit 1200fps and people still call in "short and weak"...(I'd also love to see a 150gr HST load in 40SW that goes around 1050-1100fps, rather than 1200).
Link Posted: 10/18/2017 12:26:55 PM EDT
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The reduced recoil is the whole point. They're defensive rounds that recoil like a target load.  They were made for the 43, and in that pistol operate wonderfully.
Link Posted: 10/18/2017 4:24:52 PM EDT
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you won't be bothered by recoil during an adrenaline dump anyway. +P that shit.
Link Posted: 10/18/2017 4:43:14 PM EDT
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you won't be bothered by recoil during an adrenaline dump anyway. +P that shit.
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I think it depends ... i have some Underwood 147gr +P for my G43 and I think its much more difficult to shoot than other +P or standard I have shot.
Link Posted: 10/18/2017 8:02:37 PM EDT
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I've shot 147 gr HST out of a Shield and a Glock 26 and it was very mild. I can't see this besting it and it's twice as expensive. I can get 50 round boxes of 147 gr HST for $17.75 right now. 
Link Posted: 10/18/2017 8:25:20 PM EDT
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I see no reason to buy it over 124 or 147gr hst
Link Posted: 10/18/2017 9:44:32 PM EDT
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I think it depends ... i have some Underwood 147gr +P for my G43 and I think its much more difficult to shoot than other +P or standard I have shot.
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Were you amped on adrenaline when you fired it?
Link Posted: 10/19/2017 7:12:03 AM EDT
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The very slight reduction in recoil if there is such a thing isn't worth lowering the performance of the caliber through hard barriers in my opinion.

Even 147 is too much. They originally were designed for subsonic use but later marketed to people who think a higher number means it is better.

Heavy grained bullets are only good if using solid bullets for woods carry that don't open up and parachute to a stop like hollow points do. In that case, the heavier, the better because there is nothing to stop the added momentum of the extra weight except the meat and bones from the animal itself.

In a hollow point, a 115, 124, 147, or a 150 gr will penetrate and parachute to a stop into the same window of 12 to 18 inches assuming a cheap bullet isn't used.

Why bother? It costs more too and as mentioned above, you ain't feel the slight recoil if you are amped up.
Link Posted: 10/19/2017 7:36:05 AM EDT
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I use it in my Shield. I bought several 20 round boxes and shot several 20 boxes of it some more so I could get the data to make a 147 load with the same POI from the POA and to get accustomed to it.

It's what I carry in the Shield which is the only sub compact single stack striker that I fully trust and like. I really do not care about the huffing and puffing to demonize it. It's just another option and I for one am glad to have it to choose from. No one is making you carry it either or wants to see you carry it.
Link Posted: 10/19/2017 9:23:11 AM EDT
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I use it in my Shield. I bought several 20 round boxes and shot several 20 boxes of it some more so I could get the data to make a 147 load with the same POI from the POA and to get accustomed to it.

It's what I carry in the Shield which is the only sub compact single stack striker that I fully trust and like. I really do not care about the huffing and puffing to demonize it. It's just another option and I for one am glad to have it to choose from. No one is making you carry it either or wants to see you carry it.
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Pretty much sums it up for me.
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