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Posted: 3/4/2017 7:47:34 AM EDT
For plinking/practice ammo in 9mm carbines and pistols is brass cased ammo worth the extra $40 a case ?
Here's the examples: Magtech or S&B 9mm- $199 per 1000 shipped WOLF 9mm - $159 per 1000 shipped So, brass is $40 more but can be reloaded or cases collected and sold for $20 or less per 1000. Usually cleaner burning and more accurate. Steel is usually dirtier, less accurate and less consistent; but goes "bang" every time. Not even going to compare barrel wear in a low pressure 9mm , it'd be almost unmeasuarable. So for WOLF it's like buy 5 get one free, but it's WOLF 
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Posted: 3/4/2017 8:02:38 AM EDT
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First thought... if you are going to collect 1000 brass cases so you can sell em for 20 bucks you are loosing money, because it would take hours to find and pick up all that.
Secondly, I shot an entire season of USPSA using TULA because I didnt have time to reload. My scores didnt change at all. BTW I chrono'ed that TULA It was consistent, standard deviation was around 50 (not bad), FPS was around 1200 and PF was about 135 9mm 115gr I still reload more than I shoot steel. |
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Posted: 3/4/2017 8:04:21 AM EDT
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If you want to run around and shoot, and forget your empties...
And know they will rust away to nothing.... And save some coin. Then do what I do and get brass cased .
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Posted: 3/4/2017 8:40:41 AM EDT
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Steel for me
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Posted: 3/4/2017 8:44:05 AM EDT
[#4]
where are you seeing tula for $159 shipped?
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Posted: 3/4/2017 10:51:57 AM EDT
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where are you seeing tula for $159 shipped? Out of stock now but at Targetsports USA |
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Posted: 3/4/2017 8:46:24 PM EDT
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I'm a reloader. But I buy factory from time to time to use in-between dry spells when I haven't reloaded more as I use a lot of ammunition. But with that said you don't have to chase all the brass. But brass is a lot less dirtier and it runs better in my guns.
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Posted: 3/6/2017 1:09:44 PM EDT
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where are you seeing tula for $159 shipped? I think my wife just got brown bear for $166 shipped from sgammo |
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Posted: 3/6/2017 1:35:30 PM EDT
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I think my wife just got brown bear for $166 shipped from sgammo I ordered the same stuff a couple days ago and it should be here today |
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Posted: 3/10/2017 10:56:00 PM EDT
[#9]
Brown bear is my go to ammo. Tula shoots as well but fouls more with zinc.
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Posted: 3/11/2017 12:27:10 PM EDT
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I think targetsports has wolf for $160 shipped right now.
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Posted: 3/13/2017 11:31:57 AM EDT
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As a reloader, I lean towards buying cheap brass cased ammo when I do buy factory ammo. Often, for no other reason as it's a source of more brass. I buy steel once in a while, especially if I am going to shoot somewhere brass collection is a chore.
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Posted: 4/5/2017 9:44:23 PM EDT
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I usually buy brass cased ammo, and try to pickup my shells even though I don't reload pistol ammo. Many many moons ago I competed in a few IDPA events running Blazer aluminum, always ran good and was really cheap back then
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Posted: 4/6/2017 9:40:05 AM EDT
[#13]
I've used steel in the past (most of which was Brown Bear), but I typically buy brass.
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Posted: 4/7/2017 2:57:54 AM EDT
[#14]
I reload tula steel cases. I use them at matches in case we don't have time to pick em up or at matches where we don't police brass til the end and it's all mixed up.
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Posted: 4/18/2017 9:30:03 PM EDT
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I shoot steel.. I like to shoot.... not reload.
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Posted: 4/19/2017 6:53:41 AM EDT
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I usually use brass because I reload. However I have less free time now that I have a toddler and prices for steel are getting rediculously cheap. I might start shooting some steel.
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Posted: 4/19/2017 2:53:23 PM EDT
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IMHO, the cheaper steel cased ammo tends to be much dirtier burning... then a more expensive round.
I just did that big 'ol velocity 77 different rounds test through a 16" Colt pattern Carbine ... there was a dramatic difference in how clean the fired cases were inside... By the days end of shooting the carbine ( 9hrs ) the chamber and breach face was VERY gunky. Frankly the breach face enough gunk on it, that I had to remove some so the BCG could fully go into battery. I scrapped it off and all was GTG. The primary concern of cheaper steel cased ammo... seems to be "It is GTG as long as it goes bang" Just something else to consider when making your decision. Also depending on your distance.. consider accuracy as well.... also a dramatic difference in accuracy. Some of the various ammo was nice tight 18rd groups at 100yds.... some was all over the place. |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:10:27 PM EDT
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Anyone tried armscor? Cheapest 9mm brass I can find.
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:43:56 PM EDT
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IMHO, the cheaper steel cased ammo tends to be much dirtier burning... then a more expensive round. I just did that big 'ol velocity 77 different rounds test through a 16" Colt pattern Carbine ... there was a dramatic difference in how clean the fired cases were inside... By the days end of shooting the carbine ( 9hrs ) the chamber and breach face was VERY gunky. Frankly the breach face enough gunk on it, that I had to remove some so the BCG could fully go into battery. I scrapped it off and all was GTG. The primary concern of cheaper steel cased ammo... seems to be "It is GTG as long as it goes bang" Just something else to consider when making your decision. Also depending on your distance.. consider accuracy as well.... also a dramatic difference in accuracy. Some of the various ammo was nice tight 18rd groups at 100yds.... some was all over the place. |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:49:17 PM EDT
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S&B 9mm brass with red primer sealant has crimped primer pockets, not worth the extra hassle to reload it. One with green sealant has tight but not crimped pockets, reloads OK
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Posted: 4/20/2017 6:37:06 AM EDT
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I normally shoot Wolf or Brown Bear but when I want to shoot 124 grain or higher I go with S&B or Magtech when I have the chance.
I got S&B 124 grain for 189 shipped recently and Magtech 115 for 175 Shipped. I will spend a little more for Brass when it is 25 Dollars for 1000. The tricky spot is when you are just buying 500 rounds of something 9mm most places have Brass at more than $25 per 500 verse steel and that is when I get steel. I have this budget when I am CONUS of 500 .223 and 500 9mm a month. That is normally Brass .223 and steel 9mm. But last time it was Wolf Steel for $101 .223 62 grain HP, and 500 9mm Wolf at $75 bucks. I have 4 LWRCis and a PWS Diablo so I shoot a lot of steel in my piston guns. My AR9 I was told to use just brass so that has pushed me into more brass than steel 9mm. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 10:04:59 PM EDT
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Cleanliness is the last thing I care about when choosing ammo. I've never gotten a gun so dirty from firing that it failed. Granted 1/2 a can of brake clean, lubed and I was GTG... but I did start thinking about why.... So ... there may come a time in someones life.. that they also fire a bunch of ammo in one day.... or don't have the proper maintenance tools etc available. Hence, pick a clean running ammo... you don't want a failure at the wrong moment just because someone bought filthy running ammo.to save 30 Bucks. The spent cases will be examined closer this weekend to see which ones were so dirty. |
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Posted: 4/21/2017 12:58:17 PM EDT
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A friend of mine got into shooting last year , bought a Glock 19. He asked the same question, brass or steel and I advised him to buy brass, mostly because he doesn't reload and gives me all his empties!
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Posted: 5/3/2017 4:18:37 AM EDT
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I reload tula steel cases. I use them at matches in case we don't have time to pick em up or at matches where we don't police brass til the end and it's all mixed up. Aloha, Mark |
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Posted: 5/4/2017 8:54:57 AM EDT
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I have shot some Tula 9 mm brass. It was fairly weak and would not always reliably extract in a Glock 19 I was shooting that otherwise was 100%. I wasn't impressed. To be honest it was only two boxes worth though.....If I wasn't buying brass I'd buy Blazer which I have shot for nearly 20 years and never had an issue. Anytime I go to a course I will normally load with Blazer.
Palmetto has 9 mm Blazer for $9 a box, free shipping....And this may seem trivial to some, but buying Blazer supports American industry, an American Ammunition Company and American Workers. I will always do so when it is a reasonable alternative. |
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Posted: 5/18/2017 10:21:09 PM EDT
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Most of my 9mm factory loaded stuff is Brown Bear. Be advised it feels quite hot and some of the chrono numbers I've gotten have been right around 1400fps out of my GLOCK 17.
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Posted: 5/18/2017 10:23:40 PM EDT
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Most of my 9mm factory loaded stuff is Brown Bear. Be advised it feels quite hot and some of the chrono numbers I've gotten have been right around 1400fps out of my GLOCK 17. |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 5:03:34 PM EDT
[#28]
Delete
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Posted: 5/19/2017 5:04:48 PM EDT
[#29]
If you guys havent shot russian steel ammo in a while, you really cant comment on the current stuff. Both tula and barnaul (wolf is made by barnaul) have retooled and reformulated their ammo. The cheapo steel is actually just as accurate as american bulk ammo in some cases its moreso. I shoot a minimum of 5k of russian 9mm steel a year and have only had 2 failure to fires and those were all with brown bear, 9mm.
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Posted: 5/20/2017 12:15:02 AM EDT
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If you guys havent shot russian steel ammo in a while, you really cant comment on the current stuff. Both tula and barnaul (wolf is made by barnaul) have retooled and reformulated their ammo. The cheapo steel is actually just as accurate as american bulk ammo in some cases its moreso. I shoot a minimum of 5k of russian 9mm steel a year and have only had 2 failure to fires and those were all with brown bear, 9mm. |
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Posted: 5/21/2017 12:00:15 AM EDT
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Wrong. Box o truth test Another option might be the Winchester USA forged steel. I've only shot one box, and it was cleaner than Russian but dirtier than Brass case. |
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Posted: 5/21/2017 12:13:21 AM EDT
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Such an informative and insiteful reply Box o truth test Another option might be the Winchester USA forged steel. I've only shot one box, and it was cleaner than Russian but dirtier than Brass case. You said people have no right to comment if they do not use them. And you're wrong for saying that. For starters Tula will tell you to pound sand if their ammo destroys your gun and secondly, using steel jacketed copper plated bullets is not going down any barrel of my guns nor will they be allowed to be shot at my steel targets. And third, people have a right to comment on these things whether you like it or not. The fact that you cannot see how wrong your words were does not equate to such an informative and *insightful reply being warranted or even to be dignified. I suggest critical thinking and spell checker before you hit replies. |
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Posted: 5/21/2017 12:31:19 AM EDT
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do you reload BRO
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Posted: 5/21/2017 4:51:08 AM EDT
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I MISSED A SPELLING ERROR HOW DARE I!?!?!?!?
I didn't make the original comment either, so you're getting your knickers in a twist partially at the wrong person Also, Tula has a zinc jacket now, also proving you are commenting on that which you do not know about |
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Posted: 5/21/2017 5:05:12 AM EDT
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I MISSED A SPELLING ERROR HOW DARE I!?!?!?!? I didn't make the original comment either, so you're getting your knickers in a twist partially at the wrong person Also, Tula has a zinc jacket now, also proving you are commenting on that which you do not know about So I am commenting on something that I do know about. And I reload, making steel not worth it for purchasing. Making that two that I know something about that I am commenting on as well. And they still will not cover your guns if their ammunition blows it up. So again, people who do not use Tula can comment as much as they want to. |
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Posted: 5/21/2017 6:37:17 AM EDT
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That's fine dude, comment away, having any knowledge or not
The Winchester USA Forged uses a steel case but not a bimetal bullet jacket, so no steel there if you were worried about barrel wear. I really think it would make little difference, especially if the barrel is chrome lined or nitrided |
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Posted: 5/21/2017 12:13:31 PM EDT
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Yeah, doubt the bi-metal jacket is going to reduce barrel life much on a pistol. So if im saving $40 a case on steel and put 10 cases through the glock I can buy a new glock with the savings. The barrel will not get worn out at even 20k with steel so I can buy 2 new glocks with the savings at the bare minimum, without wasting my time (valued at $50 an hour)& maximizing my training schedule. Now Im a FI, and have a range at my house so i shoot more than most. I also understand many guys like to reload and I think thats great. I would rather shoot so I choose steel.
The whole argument about preventing someone from commentimg is dumb. I think we all know I meant you cant have an intelligent conversation about an item without experience with the said item. Otherwise its just BS. |
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Posted: 5/21/2017 12:18:41 PM EDT
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Such an informative and insiteful reply Box o truth test Another option might be the Winchester USA forged steel. I've only shot one box, and it was cleaner than Russian but dirtier than Brass case. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wrong. Box o truth test Another option might be the Winchester USA forged steel. I've only shot one box, and it was cleaner than Russian but dirtier than Brass case. |
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Posted: 5/21/2017 2:58:24 PM EDT
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Yeah, doubt the bi-metal jacket is going to reduce barrel life much on a pistol. So if im saving $40 a case on steel and put 10 cases through the glock I can buy a new glock with the savings. The barrel will not get worn out at even 20k with steel so I can buy 2 new glocks with the savings at the bare minimum, without wasting my time (valued at $50 an hour)& maximizing my training schedule. Now Im a FI, and have a range at my house so i shoot more than most. I also understand many guys like to reload and I think thats great. I would rather shoot so I choose steel. The whole argument about preventing someone from commentimg is dumb. I think we all know I meant you cant have an intelligent conversation about an item without experience with the said item. Otherwise its just BS. Brass cased gives me better materials to load with. Brass cased factory is better shooting from companies that actually have the insurance to cover anything that their ammunition blows up. Love that you two have completely ignored that part again and again. So experiencing with them I have, and it totally is bullshit the way you two are going at it over upset feelings because someone else "dares" to talk about it against the narrative you two are pushing in regards to tula crap. Are we going to go all day and night about this again or can we let it go finally? |
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Posted: 5/21/2017 3:22:44 PM EDT
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Sigh
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Posted: 5/21/2017 3:31:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:19:46 AM EDT
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If steel is cheap enough I'm OK with shooting it thru some of my guns.
But I don't buy it by the case, some guns have tolerances that are too tight and I don't want a crate of ammo that won't work in all my firearms. I also have some magazines that don't feed steel cased as well as brass. When ammo prices skyrocketed a few years ago good brass cased .45 was hard to find for under $30/box while steel case Wolf was everywhere for $15/box. For half the cost I bought a half case, no complaints. Today there's not enough cost difference. I just ran thru a box of Independence aluminum cased 9mm for $20/100 and it shot better than Wolf or Tula for me. I do have a friend that only shoots steel cased ammo thru his Glock because he's not 100% confident in the case support from his factory barrel. That actually kinda makes sense to me, but the only Glock I still have is 10mm and there's no steel cased 10mm. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:45:40 PM EDT
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Have you looked at the cases afterwards? Any pressure spikes such as a bulged steel case or primer cratering? |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 10:29:22 PM EDT
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Other people disagreeing with you doesn't warrant a 'sigh' If you want to prove everyone on the internet wrong... well good luck Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sigh I can see steel jackets being an issue for rifles but not handguns. Same as with steel targets. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 6:47:54 PM EDT
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Three things about steel case that are just irrefutable. It tends to be slightly less reliable across many different firearms.
either hard primers, sticky extractions, or weak loads are more common. It will wear a barrel faster but for cheap pistols its not that important. It takes many K to wear one out anyway. Lastly and most importantly the profits made from your hard earned money go straight to funding the Russian war machine which is aimed directly at you and your future children's long term interests. I really wish ISIS sold cheap ammo here so I could see all the Americans jumping over themselves to buy it. Sad really. Yes Russia is an enemy and has been for years. |
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Posted: 6/4/2017 7:20:10 AM EDT
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Lastly and most importantly the profits made from your hard earned money go straight to funding the Russian war machine which is aimed directly at you and your future children's long term interests. I really wish ISIS sold cheap ammo here so I could see all the Americans jumping over themselves to buy it. Sad really. Yes Russia is an enemy and has been for years. |
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Posted: 6/4/2017 7:47:30 AM EDT
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I mention this because I fired about 1400+rds ( 18x 77 different OEM rounds ) in one 9hr period last weekend... at about 800 rds the action and breach face was so dirty... I was starting to have failures to fire. Granted 1/2 a can of brake clean, lubed and I was GTG... but I did start thinking about why.... So ... there may come a time in someones life.. that they also fire a bunch of ammo in one day.... or don't have the proper maintenance tools etc available. Hence, pick a clean running ammo... you don't want a failure at the wrong moment just because someone bought filthy running ammo.to save 30 Bucks. The spent cases will be examined closer this weekend to see which ones were so dirty. |
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Posted: 6/4/2017 6:49:11 PM EDT
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Yeah, im using steel for training, wouldnt use it or any other bulk fmj ammo for duty carry.
Honestly the fouling isn't much of a problem, it takes two minutes in between strings to clean the fouling out if you need to. Im not going to clean my competition glock 17 and see how long it takes to fail, it already has 500 rounds through her now with no issues. |
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Posted: 6/4/2017 6:57:16 PM EDT
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I prefer Brass. Buy steel cased stuff sometimes at wally world if im going with a new shooter and I want to give them plenty of trigger time with minimum coin from my pocket
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Posted: 6/5/2017 8:50:23 PM EDT
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Uh okay,.. a little off topic there. While I'm as red blooded American as they come, I'd have to say my own govt. and lawmakers have the biggest impact on me and my " future children's long term interests" more than Russia does or ever will. I really wish America sold "cheap ammo" here and then we wouldn't need to buy Russian ammo. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lastly and most importantly the profits made from your hard earned money go straight to funding the Russian war machine which is aimed directly at you and your future children's long term interests. I really wish ISIS sold cheap ammo here so I could see all the Americans jumping over themselves to buy it. Sad really. Yes Russia is an enemy and has been for years. I mostly reload, but I shoot a lot of Tula 9mm at USPSA matches because you cant pick up brass... no time between stages. |
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