Posted: 6/6/2009 3:26:53 PM EDT
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at the range this morning shooting my Glock 19.
When reloading my mags, I would grab a handful of rounds in my left hand and feed them into the magazine that I hold in my right hand. Must've been watching other shooters and not paying attention.... After a few rounds thru one mag, the gun goes click, but the slide doesn't lock back. It looked like a double feed - something that has never happened in this gun. i dropped the mag and looked into the chamber and what I found was the bullet nose facing backwards with the back of the case in the chamber. The first thing I thought was how could a bullet flip when loading, but in the end I must've loaded a round backwards. It seated perfectly into the chamber and the force of the slide cycling must've jammed it in. I carry a plastic rod since i sometimes do ball and dummy drills and the extractor rips the edges off teh plastic rounds and I have to tap it out thru the front of the barrel, then I decided that it was probably not a good idea to tap on the primer. Range officer got the gunsmith and eventually was able to pull it out with pliers, then shot the same bullet thru the gun. 1.do you think I could have damaged my barrel? Brass is softer then the barrel, but that sucker was JAMMED in there and I'm sure he had to wriggle it out a bit. 2.Should I get the firing ping replaced? The slide didn't cycle all the way, so the trigger/firing pin didn't reset yet and I think the very tip of the pin was showing on the breech face (don't know if it impacted on the bullet nose). After it was fixed, I shot another 75rds thru the gun. no failures, but about a half dozen times of so, the slide didn't lock back on the last round. I thought maybe the ?brand of ammo (Winchester 9mm), or maybe my thumb was just resting on the slide lock lever and preventing it from moving up. This happens on my P229 sonetimes. I looked at the chamber of the barrel and there doesn't seem to be any knicks or apparent visible damage. I'm gonna clean it in a bit to and check for any cracks though. |
| Murphy's Law... If stupid shit happens it happens to me..... I think your weapon is ok.. of course I'm not there to see it, but think your fine.. I fell out of my chair trying to dodge a bullet when you mentioned the thought of back tapping primer, not so smart a move...............glad you thought better. Thanks for the entertainment. Shoot Safe ! |
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Glad everything worked out alright. If the weapon is currently functioning fine then I see no reason to replace anything, just keep a watch on it. If it starts to act up or behave weirdly then you might need to change something out. As far as tapping the primer, if the rod that you were using was large compared with the primer pocket then I do not see any problem. The primer is recessed to keep it safe. MAX
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I am having a little trouble seeing how it is possible for the gun to feed a backward bullet???
What part of the bullet ogive is the slide pushing on that doesn’t result in an upside down stovepipe jam??? I don’t have a Glock but I did try this with a SIG, a Walther and a Colt and it is not possible to load a round into the magazine backward and then load another round on top of it. I would sure like a little more explanation before concluding it is a serious design flaw of a Glock 
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I am having a little trouble seeing how it is possible for the gun to feed a backward bullet??? What part of the bullet ogive is the slide pushing on that doesn’t result in an upside down stovepipe jam??? I don’t have a Glock but I did try this with a SIG, a Walther and a Colt and it is not possible to load a round into the magazine backward and then load another round on top of it. I would sure like a little more explanation before concluding it is a serious design flaw of a Glock
I first thought that the round flipped when loading, but it seems virtually impossible for a bullet to do a backflip like that. If it didm Murphy must have had everything lined up against me since it went in perfectly into the chamber (backwards). i had to conclude user error and the loader part in the gun must have caught enough of the front or the edge of the case to slam it into the chamber. I was so freaked that I couldn't just pull it out that I didn't think to take a photo (all I had was my phone) casue it was STRAIGHT in the pipe - not cranked at all! Maybe this is good advertising for Glock instead of a design flaw..... It'll still try to fire whatever you stick in there.
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Jerold said that one magazine fired a few rounds then the backward bullet entered the chamber.
He implies the he loaded one round backward while not paying attention. I don’t have a G17 but the 3 others I tried, this is not even possible unless it is the LAST round loaded (top round)… The head of the case is too large to let it fit down the magazine. Or is the G17 magazine an exception to that and will allow it to happen? The acrobatic, back flipping cartridge does actually seem possible to me??? It could have flipped over by popping out of the magazine while the slide was starting forward and before the next round could rise into a feeding position… I have one AR15 mag that will pop a loaded round out of rifle from time to time leaving me with a loud click! Usually the last round but not always. Since it is the original Colt 5 round mag that I only use at the range, not a big deal. |
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Could be that it was the last round... it happened so fast. When the sldie locks back, I don't even give it a second thought...I drop the mag in the well and slam in a new one and then release the slide lock. I do remember that the slide locked back, but maybe it wasn't "locked back" but went as far forward as the slide could with a reversed round in it and then I just racked it causing the partial duoble feed. Anyway, now I know to pay attention when loading rounds in any case. If the round did flip, then there is really nothing to be done about that, I think. BTW, it was a Glock 19. Quoted:
Jerold said that one magazine fired a few rounds then the backward bullet entered the chamber. He implies the he loaded one round backward while not paying attention. I don’t have a G17 but the 3 others I tried, this is not even possible unless it is the LAST round loaded (top round)… The head of the case is too large to let it fit down the magazine. Or is the G17 magazine an exception to that and will allow it to happen? The acrobatic, back flipping cartridge does actually seem possible to me??? It could have flipped over by popping out of the magazine while the slide was starting forward and before the next round could rise into a feeding position… I have one AR15 mag that will pop a loaded round out of rifle from time to time leaving me with a loud click! Usually the last round but not always. Since it is the original Colt 5 round mag that I only use at the range, not a big deal. |