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10/24/2007 6:44:10 PM EDT
So I've got what I believe to be a five screw two inch Model 10.  But I don't know, 'cause it doesn't say S&W on the sideplate.  The "Made in U.S.A." is there on the frame, serial number on the cylinder and butt (877xxx), another number (15631) where the model number usually is inside the cylinder swingarm deal, some proof marks under the barrel ('38" 767" 3 1/2 Tons' and a 'BNP' with a crown over it), and something barely legible on the metal part of the grip, looks like 'P P' over '2 3'.  There's no lug under the barrel.  Ramp front sight.  Any ideas?  
10/25/2007 3:42:45 PM EDT
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Ask here...pics will help immensely

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10/25/2007 5:28:13 PM EDT
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So I've got what I believe to be a five screw two inch Model 10.  But I don't know, 'cause it doesn't say S&W on the sideplate.  




I've never seen a S&W that didn't have it on the sideplate. I bet you have a knock-off of some sort. Seems like there were some Spanish knock-offs back in the '50s-70s? Might wish to write Guns & Blammo & ask them?

My .o2  
10/25/2007 5:54:14 PM EDT
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It sounds like a "victory model " made for England under lend lease during WWII. Is it .38 S&W ?

BNP is a British proof mark. Google search tells me that a lot of British .38/200 revolvers were rechambered to .38 special, the barrels cut down and they were re-imported to the USA.

 The .38 S&W is a little larger than .38 special so the rechambering causes a lot trouble with bulged cases.

Here is a link where they dicuss them

It sounds like they might have removed the S&W logo during the re-bluing process.
10/26/2007 5:47:03 PM EDT
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All the info given points, at first glance,  to an early Smith & Wesson M & P model, lend lease version for the Brits.  The lack of the Smith logo is curious as is the lack of a lug.  Would need photos to give any better analysis.  
10/26/2007 6:19:00 PM EDT
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All of the Victory models that I've seen all had the logo on their sideplates..............
10/26/2007 6:30:24 PM EDT
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Not going to get a chance to take pics until next weekend...Bobcole, I don't think it's a knockoff.  It looks damn close to my other Smith wheelguns.  

I read up some on the Victory models.  Shouldn't they have a "V" prefix on the serial?  
10/26/2007 6:46:39 PM EDT
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All of the Victory models that I've seen all had the logo on their sideplates..............


I'm not arguing that point. I don't doubt your expertise. The thread I linked to  indicated that the re-imports had been scrubbed, possibly roll marks removed.

 Bob, a buddy of mine showed me a 1917 S&W Army model (45 ACP )today that had no S&W rollmark, but a big old stamp that said " U.S.M.C. " where the S&W logo would be.

Once they leave the factory/country anything can happen. To the OP,  post pics so the revolver CSI can continue.
10/27/2007 1:45:20 PM EDT
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I'm not arguing that point. I don't doubt your expertise. The thread I linked to  indicated that the re-imports had been scrubbed, possibly roll marks removed.


That & $4 will get ya a cup of coffee.............    

 

Bob, a buddy of mine showed me a 1917 S&W Army model (45 ACP )today that had no S&W rollmark, but a big old stamp that said " U.S.M.C. " where the S&W logo would be.


Never seen one of these, personally. Ask your buddy if he wants to sell his?    
10/28/2007 4:59:29 PM EDT
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Quoted:

Quoted:

I'm not arguing that point. I don't doubt your expertise. The thread I linked to  indicated that the re-imports had been scrubbed, possibly roll marks removed.


That & $4 will get ya a cup of coffee.............    

 

Bob, a buddy of mine showed me a 1917 S&W Army model (45 ACP )today that had no S&W rollmark, but a big old stamp that said " U.S.M.C. " where the S&W logo would be.


Never seen one of these, personally. Ask your buddy if he wants to sell his?    


He's not the kinda guy that would sell.   I'll try to get pics though. It was pretty nice, the previous owner had mated it up with a repro USMC leather holster and a canvas half moon clip bandolier.
11/5/2007 5:46:15 AM EDT
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Quoted:
So I've got what I believe to be a five screw two inch Model 10.  But I don't know, 'cause it doesn't say S&W on the sideplate.  The "Made in U.S.A." is there on the frame, serial number on the cylinder and butt (877xxx), another number (15631) where the model number usually is inside the cylinder swingarm deal, some proof marks under the barrel ('38" 767" 3 1/2 Tons' and a 'BNP' with a crown over it), and something barely legible on the metal part of the grip, looks like 'P P' over '2 3'.  There's no lug under the barrel.  Ramp front sight.  Any ideas?  



Hello
It sounds as though you have a British issue M&P War Time Revolver. These were ordered by the Brits. and most can be found in Either .38 Special cartridge or they can be in .38 S&W Cartridge. The British revolvers made by S&W were designed to fire a .38 caliber Bullet with a weight of 200 grains and they are also called a 38-200. The proof marks Indicate your weapon was checked in through the british Proof House and Marked as such. A Picture would be helpful, but it sounds like a British 38-200 made for The British Army in the 1940-1945 Time span.This is an American M&P that shipped right after the war but yours should Look very similiar if it is the 38-200 model. I hope this helps, Hammerdown-7


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