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12/14/2005 7:52:43 AM EDT
I have been looking at some of the S&W models and came across the 340 PD, 640 and a few others without hammers.  What is the real benefit to this aside from the hammer potentially digging into your side?  Any problems with the lack of a hammer that wouldnt be encountered if there was one?  Any general info on why you would want this over a regular revolver?
12/14/2005 1:54:04 PM EDT
[#1]
Several advantages on the hammerless design.

1) No snag draw out of a pocket.
2) Should you need to, you could fire from inside your coat pocket. (Not recommended for pants pockets.   )
3) No crud to get between the hammer & firing pin.

No real disadvantages other than possibly a longer trigger pull from a SA shot. The Bodyguard offers a bobbed hammer, the best of both worlds, IMO. This is not available as an alloy frame though.

My J-Frame is a Model 460, the Custom Shop version of the Model 442. Perfect carry gun for lightweight clothing dress days or a backup to my 1911.

My .o2
12/17/2005 8:48:00 PM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
Several advantages on the hammerless design.

1) No snag draw out of a pocket.
2) Should you need to, you could fire from inside your coat pocket. (Not recommended for pants pockets.   )
3) No crud to get between the hammer & firing pin.

No real disadvantages other than possibly a longer trigger pull from a SA shot. The Bodyguard offers a bobbed hammer, the best of both worlds, IMO. This is not available as an alloy frame though.

My J-Frame is a Model 460, the Custom Shop version of the Model 442. Perfect carry gun for lightweight clothing dress days or a backup to my 1911.

My .o2

The Bodyguard has a concealed hammer, and was available as an Airweight model 638, and it truly is the best of both worlds!
12/18/2005 4:22:09 AM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
Several advantages on the hammerless design.
2) Should you need to, you could fire from inside your coat pocket. (Not recommended for pants pockets.   )




That's THE reason I like 'em
12/22/2005 5:10:14 PM EDT
[#4]
I have the 340PD and it's a great little gun.  Get the 357 cal and you can practice at the range with 38 cal rounds and load up for carry with 357.  It has a potent kick especially with 357 rounds but lightweight pocket or waist carry benefits win out.
12/24/2005 11:41:47 AM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
I have been looking at some of the S&W models and came across the 340 PD, 640 and a few others without hammers.  What is the real benefit to this aside from the hammer potentially digging into your side?  Any problems with the lack of a hammer that wouldnt be encountered if there was one?  Any general info on why you would want this over a regular revolver?




The advantage is the snag free design.

The major disadvantage is that you have to slightly stage (pull) the trigger to rotate the cylinder in order to perform a *high primer check*. The high primer check is done to ensure that none of the cartridges have a poorly seated (high) primer that could bind up the cylinder.

IMHO the Bodyguard is a superior design providing the same snag free advantage but also allowing a high primer check by slightly pulling back on the hammer as opposed to the trigger. It's obviously much safer to perform the high primer check using the hammer vs. the trigger.

I suppose you could *pre check* your premium carry ammo for high primers but that's not practical for general practice or a training course where you'll be shooting hundreds of rounds.
12/24/2005 11:49:15 AM EDT
[#6]
The reasons listed are all correct.  I have a 638 and I love it.
12/25/2005 4:46:09 PM EDT
[#7]
I will say that I, for one, have never liked the M38 / 638 Bodyguard design and much prefer the M40 / 642 style guns for my personal use. TonyF is correct about staging the trigger, but that is not a big deal once you get the hang of it. The 640/642/340 design allows a higher grip on the backstrap, which gives better control for follow up shots, lets no lint or other crud inside, and hides much better in a pocket IMO.
12/25/2005 7:43:30 PM EDT
[#8]

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TonyF is correct about staging the trigger, but that is not a big deal once you get the hang of it.



That may be true but at least one instructor I know frequently sees ND's when students run centennial's in his classes. The other thing is that we're violating Rule #3. And I know it's convenient but I never liked pocket carry. To each his own I suppose.

Thanks for the tip in the other thread.
12/25/2005 8:37:14 PM EDT
[#9]
Ive carried a hammerless J-Frame on my ankle through 9 years as a cop and 4 prior working in a gun store. Ive changed models as things developed ie: Airwieght, Scandium... but they are great, convieniant, and reliable guns... practice with it and you'll be pleased.. I must admit I'd have a hard time carrying one as my primary but as a B.U.G. there is no better choice....
12/25/2005 8:49:02 PM EDT
[#10]
I had a 940 I sold a while back, dumbest thing I did in the 90s. The trigger pull is DA only, but a good gunsmith did a sweet trigger job that made it smooth all of the way through. Nice gun, wish I had it back.
12/26/2005 2:05:20 AM EDT
[#11]
One thing to be very careful with in these little guns is spring tension. Since the mass of the moving parts is less, the mainspring and trigger return spring need to be left at or very near to full factory strength. Yes, they are on the heavy side, but these are no-shit close range self defense guns and MUST go "bang" for every shot. Do NOT allow some "gunsmith" to do an "action job" that will compromise your safety!

Smooth is good...light is not!
12/30/2005 9:50:23 AM EDT
[#12]
I agree... NO LIGHT TRIGGERS... You compromise reliable ignition in these guns.. Also test your carry ammo since the ultra light guns can unseat the bullet in the unfired chambers and stop the cylinder from rotating.. Speer 135gr+p and Corbon 125+p have both tested reliably in my scandium J-Frames if you want a place to start... ( NO LEAD BULLETS THOUGH )....