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Posted: 5/8/2022 10:27:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thats probably what is going to work for me. I handload everything. The only commercial 10mm I have left from my G20 I sold a couple years ago is 2 boxes of Underwood. My handloads I still have built is 200gr w/AA no9 were moving at 1150ish in my G20. Checked my powder and I still have a few pounds of AA no9, blue dot, longshot, power pistol, silhouette and CFE pistol. I just ordered some 165 V crown bullets. On 10mm I dont necessarily load it nuclear but I load it pretty stout. I have a Apex kit here for another M&P 2.0 9mm I haven't installed yet so I may try it in the 10mm to see if it works if the factory is less than impressive. Thanks for the info As for the Aoex parts, just in case you aren’t aware, historically there has been a difference between Apex parts for the 9/40 and the 45. This is specifically due to design differences by S&W on these 2 these two different sized frames, The M&P 10mm is built on the M&P 45 frame, so there’s a hood chance Apex parts designed for the M&P9 won’t be compatible. |
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Posted: 5/8/2022 11:21:01 AM EDT
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I thought the same thing on the Apex but the pack I have for the polymer trigger sku# 100-p154-b states right on it "Designed specifically for use in the M&P M2.0 in 9mm, 40S&W and 45ACP"
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Posted: 5/9/2022 4:14:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice! Ill order that stuff today! Thank you! Anyone happen to try the Apex kit to see if the work on the 10mm yet? I put an Apex kit in my 10MM a couple weeks ago and have no problems. It was the 45acp model. |
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Posted: 5/9/2022 10:00:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I put an Apex kit in my 10MM a couple weeks ago and have no problems. It was the 45acp model. NICE!! Just a heads up for you guys that reload American reloading has 500 165g/180 FMJ for $42 shipped to your door right now with coupon code listed on the checkout page. Its pulled bullets but ive bought tins of stuff from them and its all good stuff. They had 165 and 180 HST for $55 yesterday but they sold out pretty quick. Great site to keep an eye on for deals. |
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Posted: 5/9/2022 10:13:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NICE!! Just a heads up for you guys that reload American reloading has 500 165g/180 FMJ for $42 shipped to your door right now with coupon code listed on the checkout page. Its pulled bullets but ive bought tins of stuff from them and its all good stuff. They had 165 and 180 HST for $55 yesterday but they sold out pretty quick. Great site to keep an eye on for deals. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I put an Apex kit in my 10MM a couple weeks ago and have no problems. It was the 45acp model. NICE!! Just a heads up for you guys that reload American reloading has 500 165g/180 FMJ for $42 shipped to your door right now with coupon code listed on the checkout page. Its pulled bullets but ive bought tins of stuff from them and its all good stuff. They had 165 and 180 HST for $55 yesterday but they sold out pretty quick. Great site to keep an eye on for deals. I've bought from American in the past, and I have a bunch of HSTs in .40 and 9mm from them. However, I was pretty underwhelmed with the last batch of 180 gr .40 projectiles I purchased, as they had significant variance in profile and diameter, with more than a few being extremely undersized in diameter, to the extent they had almost zero neck tension, i.e. I could push the bullet into the flared case with fingertip pressure. You can save some cash, but I think reloaders should be prepared inspect every projectile before loading. It all depends on how much time you have. But my last purchase of .40 180 gr projectiles |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 12:41:57 AM EDT
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Well shot both the 4" and 4.6". Had issues with both. Started with the 4". Had 3 levels of handloads with me. 200gr at 1140fps through my G20 via labradar with AA no9, 180 w/8.2 longshot, 180 W/8.0 power pistol. Stout but not nuclear. Was getting a constant malfunction with bullet high and stuck on entry at the top of the chamber. Tried 22# and 24# ismi glock 20 spring on factory guide rod. No real change after about 40rds. Switched to the 4.6" and had same malfunctions. Put wolff guide rod and 24# spring. Same results for about 60rds. Then it seemed to clear up. I was out of the 200gr load by this time but I then fired approx 100rds with perfect function of a mix of the 2 180gr loads Switched back to the facrory spring last 2 mags. Perfect function.
Conclusion: I need more rounds down range but maybe some weird break in? Mag springs to stiff? I ran out of ammo and time to run the 4" some more to see if I could get it going but I hope to have time to put another 200rds of the 180gr loads through them tomorrow. Im hoping for the best. I must say thats the best feeling trigger (minus weak reset feel) ive shot on a stock striker pistol. If these start running right they will be awsome pistols. Im still hopeful these will work out. |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 7:16:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well shot both the 4" and 4.6". Had issues with both. Started with the 4". Had 3 levels of handloads with me. 200gr at 1140fps through my G20 via labradar with AA no9, 180 w/8.2 longshot, 180 W/8.0 power pistol. Stout but not nuclear. Was getting a constant malfunction with bullet high and stuck on entry at the top of the chamber. Tried 22# and 24# ismi glock 20 spring on factory guide rod. No real change after about 40rds. Switched to the 4.6" and had same malfunctions. Put wolff guide rod and 24# spring. Same results for about 60rds. Then it seemed to clear up. I was out of the 200gr load by this time but I then fired approx 100rds with perfect function of a mix of the 2 180gr loads Switched back to the facrory spring last 2 mags. Perfect function. Conclusion: I need more rounds down range but maybe some weird break in? Mag springs to stiff? I ran out of ammo and time to run the 4" some more to see if I could get it going but I hope to have time to put another 200rds of the 180gr loads through them tomorrow. Im hoping for the best. I must say thats the best feeling trigger (minus weak reset feel) ive shot on a stock striker pistol. If these start running right they will be awsome pistols. Im still hopeful these will work out. Did you clean and lube before shooting? Even if you did, I would definitely clean and lube before the next range session. If there were any wear points you want to remove any microscopic debris. What’s your COAL on your handloads? I found to pass the plunk test on my 4.6” barrel I had to seat slightly deeper than book listed COAL. |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 9:12:59 AM EDT
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I gave it a pretty good cleaning and lubed it prefty heavy lube before shooting it. My length on the 180s were 1.255 and on the 200 was 1.260-1.264.
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Posted: 5/11/2022 9:32:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I gave it a pretty good cleaning and lubed it prefty heavy lube before shooting it. My length on the 180s were 1.255 and on the 200 was 1.260-1.264. I asked about the clean and lube just because sometimes people don't. Lately I've made sure to bring any new, out of the box pistol to the range fully cleaned and with more lube than I would normally have in a carry gun. I found with both 180 gr FMJ and JHP I had to seat shorter than 1.260 to pass a plunk test in my barrel. 1.258 was where I settled. I don't know if that could be a factor in the issues you had though. |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 10:17:30 AM EDT
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Hopefully ill have time today to give it another try. I loaded up 200rds of 180 with 8.0gr of power pistol and see what happens. The 4.6" was running great at the end. Ill put more rounds through the 4" to see if it "breaks in" like the 4.6" did. Just looking at it as a wild guess I would almost suspect a magazine problem? Its like the feed lips give it to steep of a feeding angle and are a little short. Like the extractor doesn't have a change to control the round as its beeing pushed into the chamber? Kind of like how 1911 mags have different lips for different styles of bullets. I maybe way off but just my initial observation.
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Posted: 5/11/2022 3:06:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hopefully ill have time today to give it another try. I loaded up 200rds of 180 with 8.0gr of power pistol and see what happens. The 4.6" was running great at the end. Ill put more rounds through the 4" to see if it "breaks in" like the 4.6" did. Just looking at it as a wild guess I would almost suspect a magazine problem? Its like the feed lips give it to steep of a feeding angle and are a little short. Like the extractor doesn't have a change to control the round as its beeing pushed into the chamber? Kind of like how 1911 mags have different lips for different styles of bullets. I maybe way off but just my initial observation. Here is how a magazine with a 180 gr JHP dummy round sits in my pistol. This dummy was the pathfinder for 50 successful reloads.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 5:41:30 PM EDT
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Well just got back and shot 200rds (100ea pistol) of 180gr FMJ w/8.0 power pistol 1.255 oal and both guns were 100%. Not a single hiccup. Its not a crazy load but its thumpy in the hand. I guess Im going to call it a break in? Im happy they are both running smooth. This was with all factory recoil springs back in them. I am happy at this point. I will play with load development and see if I get to a velocity or powder that presents an issue and work on from there. I appreciate the help and pointers. Lots of good info on this thread!
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Posted: 5/18/2022 10:41:37 AM EDT
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Well another update. Shot about 250rds through both yesterday. I put a 22# G20 flat wire spring in the 4" and it ate everything I put in it including some Underwood 200gr @1250 and 155gr @1500. The 4.6" had an issue with the UW and its repeatable. Load 3rds in mag load and fire 1 and with 2rds left in the mag it gives the bullet high malfunction with UW only. Put a 20# Wolff spring in it. Same issue. 22# same issue. 24# functioned 100%. This is as hot of ammo I think is made in 10mm so its asking a bit for a manufacturer to spring a pistol for it as most will probably see 40 in a 10mm case. But it appears defiantly a recoil spring issue. The best part it seems totally curable at least in my case. If you are FTF I would say it may be less frustration and time to run a heavier spring as opposed to shipping the gun back to S&W and probably not going to be fixed when it comes back as it will have the same weight spring. I did notice brass isn't going to orbit with the heavier springs. Still launched them a ways but better.
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Posted: 5/18/2022 12:32:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well another update. Shot about 250rds through both yesterday. I put a 22# G20 flat wire spring in the 4" and it ate everything I put in it including some Underwood 200gr @1250 and 155gr @1500. The 4.6" had an issue with the UW and its repeatable. Load 3rds in mag load and fire 1 and with 2rds left in the mag it gives the bullet high malfunction with UW only. Put a 20# Wolff spring in it. Same issue. 22# same issue. 24# functioned 100%. This is as hot of ammo I think is made in 10mm so its asking a bit for a manufacturer to spring a pistol for it as most will probably see 40 in a 10mm case. But it appears defiantly a recoil spring issue. The best part it seems totally curable at least in my case. If you are FTF I would say it may be less frustration and time to run a heavier spring as opposed to shipping the gun back to S&W and probably not going to be fixed when it comes back as it will have the same weight spring. I did notice brass isn't going to orbit with the heavier springs. Still launched them a ways but better. This is why I'm currently running a 22# spring. So far this has worked 100% for maximum Blue Dot hand loads and for weak factory ".40 in a 10mm case" loads. Maybe when I move up to Underwood 200gr I may need to consider a 24#. In any case, I'd rather have a 10mm that was 100% at true 10mm power loads, and I can always change out the spring to lighter weight if I want to shoot some factory loads. |
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Posted: 5/18/2022 12:33:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well another update. Shot about 250rds through both yesterday. I put a 22# G20 flat wire spring in the 4" and it ate everything I put in it including some Underwood 200gr @1250 and 155gr @1500. The 4.6" had an issue with the UW and its repeatable. Load 3rds in mag load and fire 1 and with 2rds left in the mag it gives the bullet high malfunction with UW only. Put a 20# Wolff spring in it. Same issue. 22# same issue. 24# functioned 100%. . @dennis1979gm were the malfunctions you mentioned with both the 200 and 155 grain Underwood loads, or just one or the other? |
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Posted: 5/18/2022 1:23:52 PM EDT
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I’m running 155gr XTP Underwood 10mm. My 4” with 24lbs recoil spring functions 100%. I love the round….. great energy and velocity with a decent weight projectile. I call it +p+……++ .40 ??
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Posted: 5/18/2022 2:27:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @dennis1979gm were the malfunctions you mentioned with both the 200 and 155 grain Underwood loads, or just one or the other? To be honest it was the 200gr I shot first and started changing springs. When it worked with the 24# I then tried the 155gr that worked as well. So I dont know how much lower spring rate I could have used and the 155gr still worked. They did funtion fine at 22# spring in the 4" but so did the 200gr. |
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Posted: 5/18/2022 6:49:44 PM EDT
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I finally picked one of these a couple of weeks ago, I panicked and paid to much at Bud's, now see them everywhere for $599... Oh well, I was working against the clock since I live in Washington and our new ban on magazines kicks in soon.
After reading this thread I went ahead and ordered Wolf springs in 20, 22 and 24. I have plenty of range ammo but want to pickup some Underwood. Does anyone have an opinion on the 220 vs 200 grain hardcast? On searching it seems the 220's may have some feeding issues (at least in Glocks). Has anyone tried the Underwood 220's in their M&P? |
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Posted: 5/19/2022 9:08:43 AM EDT
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Picked one up yesterday on a whim. Figured it would be a better backup for putting down the hogs than the 9mm. Bought 200 round of aluminum cased and 400 brass. Will report back.
 With little brother. Not much size difference.  Edit: one thing to note, the stock taller sights still aren’t tall enough to co witness dot and irons with the RMR or SRO. |
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Posted: 5/19/2022 9:23:57 AM EDT
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Are spare mags showing up at the usual online retailers yet? As bad as I want a S&W 10mm I won't even set aside money for the gun until I can pick up extra mags.
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Posted: 5/19/2022 10:42:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are spare mags showing up at the usual online retailers yet? As bad as I want a S&W 10mm I won't even set aside money for the gun until I can pick up extra mags. Not yet. I started a thread to tra k when snd where they show up: https://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/MandP-10mm-magazine-in-stock-thread/16-204490/ |
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Posted: 5/19/2022 10:47:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Picked one up yesterday on a whim. Figured it would be a better backup for putting down the hogs than the 9mm. Bought 200 round of aluminum cased and 400 brass. Will report back. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/215811/AC9EA008-1555-49F3-A02C-18A7C8AB10C1-2389214.jpg With little brother. Not much size difference. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/215811/37DC4369-D20F-4D2C-98D7-6C5B4C993203-2389215.jpg Edit: one thing to note, the stock taller sights still aren’t tall enough to co witness dot and irons with the RMR or SRO. Stock sights barely cowitness with a Holosun 407/507. IMHO, the stick dights should have been higher. S&W knew exactly which optics would be installed snd they knew these optics needed an adapter plate. Adapter pushes RDS window up, so the pistols need extra tall sights. There’s no reason to have sights that are tall but not quite tall enough. Either ship with dights tall enough to work with the most common RDS or ship it with regular sights. I bet the rationale was if the sights are tall enough to cowitness, users who haven’t embraced RDS on pistols will bitch. If they shipped with standard sights, RDS users would bitch. |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 7:00:03 PM EDT
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400 rounds, mixture of aluminum, brass and +P+. Not a single hiccup, and I wasn’t expecting to shoot today so I did not have any lube, and the pistol was brand new out of the box - 4” barrel model. Very controllable and accurate. Trigger is better than stock 2.0 9mm I have but still far from Apex goodness. Very happy with this purchase.
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Posted: 5/26/2022 9:37:05 PM EDT
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So what do you think is going on with this guys M&P10?
[tweet]https://twitter.com/marklivesthings/status/1501385575168937989?s=21&t=HlZoOLhJmXbteSKHpRWvJw[/tweet] |
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Posted: 5/28/2022 3:02:15 AM EDT
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Just bought one today
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Posted: 5/28/2022 7:47:32 AM EDT
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Quote History ]Quoted:Just bought one today Give us a range report after it’s maiden voyage
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Posted: 5/30/2022 8:42:13 PM EDT
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Went to the range today with my 4” and put 50 rounds of Underwood XTP 155gr down range. I’m running a 24lbs g22 spring and it functioned flawless… the 155gr still has a heck of a recoil and report !!!!!
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Posted: 6/4/2022 12:26:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Give us a range report after it’s maiden voyage I put 50 rounds through it today...only hiccup I had one failure to feed towards the end of a mag..tapped the bottom of it and was gtg. |
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Posted: 6/4/2022 9:22:50 AM EDT
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What ammo were ya shooting ?
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Posted: 6/4/2022 2:39:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What ammo were ya shooting ? Ammo, Inc. Signature 10mm Auto 180 grain FMJ  Attached FileOnly stuff I could find in stock locally |
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Posted: 6/4/2022 5:18:08 PM EDT
[#31]
Anyone else’s barrel hard to remove?
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Posted: 6/4/2022 6:52:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone else’s barrel hard to remove? Yep! Tight tolerances. First time I had to generously lube the barrel with CLP and maneuver just so to pull it out. |
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Posted: 6/7/2022 12:12:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone else’s barrel hard to remove? Yep |
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Posted: 6/7/2022 2:23:20 PM EDT
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Took the 4" to the range with 200 grain hardcast handloads. It worked flawlessly. Had my Ruger and two Glock 20's there as well. The Smith is quickly becoming my favorite. It fits me better than the Ruger and Glocks. One of the Glocks is a 20SF.
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Posted: 6/7/2022 5:48:35 PM EDT
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Need holster recommendations. Looking for a good IWB carry for when I work around the properties. I may carry it when I hike but likely will continue to carry my 454 Ruger Toklat for that purpose.
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Posted: 6/7/2022 7:52:25 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Need holster recommendations. Looking for a good IWB carry for when I work around the properties. I may carry it when I hike but likely will continue to carry my 454 Ruger Toklat for that purpose. I carry it hiking in a Badlands binocular case. |
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Posted: 6/10/2022 9:04:05 AM EDT
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4.6" reporting in. Using max charge of Blue Dot behind 200 gr lead & 200 gr XTP (worked up load for my steel 10mm's) the 22# Glock spring was not cutting it for me. 24# Glock spring cured all problems and is significantly longer than the 22# (closer to the length of the M&P spring I took out). Really impressed how well this pistol handles those max loads.
24# spring for me. Good luck! |
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Posted: 6/11/2022 1:37:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought the same thing on the Apex but the pack I have for the polymer trigger sku# 100-p154-b states right on it "Designed specifically for use in the M&P M2.0 in 9mm, 40S&W and 45ACP" I would have thought they would be different as well? As someone who has both .45 and 9mm M&Ps I can confirm they largely share the same parts. The only parts that are really different are the striker assembly, sear housing, trigger bar, recoil spring assembly, and front locking block…slide as well, but that’s a given. Trigger assembly is the same, except the trigger bar. |
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Posted: 6/11/2022 1:58:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 4.6" reporting in. Using max charge of Blue Dot behind 200 gr lead & 200 gr XTP (worked up load for my steel 10mm's) the 22# Glock spring was not cutting it for me. 24# Glock spring cured all problems and is significantly longer than the 22# (closer to the length of the M&P spring I took out). Really impressed how well this pistol handles those max loads. 24# spring for me. Good luck! I should get a 24# spring then because 200 gr bullets snd Blue Dot are next on my list. There’s a couple of threads over on the S&W forum where guys are having ongoing problems with their M&P 10mm pistols and 200 or 220 UW or BB loads. But the thing is they refuse to swap out their springs for stronger aftermarket versions. One guy has sent multiple guns back as wee as mags. They keep saying they want Smith to make it right, but I don’t think that will happen unless S&W basically admits these guns need stouter recoil springs for full power 10mm. |
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Posted: 6/11/2022 2:01:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I should get a 24# spring then because 200 gr bullets snd Blue Dot are next on my list. There’s a couple of threads over on the S&W forum where guys are having ongoing problems with their M&P 10mm pistols and 200 or 220 UW or BB loads. But the thing is they refuse to swap out their springs for stronger aftermarket versions. One guy has sent multiple guns back as wee as mags. They keep saying they want Smith to make it right, but I don’t think that will happen unless S&W basically admits these guns need stouter recoil springs for full power 10mm. How many rounds are these guys firing? I shoot 180 grain range rounds for practice...I put about 60 rounds of BB 200 grain through the gun to make sure it ran, but I can't afford to feed it a steady diet of that shit. |
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Posted: 6/11/2022 2:36:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many rounds are these guys firing? I shoot 180 grain range rounds for practice...I put about 60 rounds of BB 200 grain through the gun to make sure it ran, but I can't afford to feed it a steady diet of that shit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I should get a 24# spring then because 200 gr bullets snd Blue Dot are next on my list. There’s a couple of threads over on the S&W forum where guys are having ongoing problems with their M&P 10mm pistols and 200 or 220 UW or BB loads. But the thing is they refuse to swap out their springs for stronger aftermarket versions. One guy has sent multiple guns back as wee as mags. They keep saying they want Smith to make it right, but I don’t think that will happen unless S&W basically admits these guns need stouter recoil springs for full power 10mm. How many rounds are these guys firing? I shoot 180 grain range rounds for practice...I put about 60 rounds of BB 200 grain through the gun to make sure it ran, but I can't afford to feed it a steady diet of that shit. I don’t think the round counts are extremely high. If the user reports are accurate, it’s very frequent and consistent. Here’s the longest ongoing saga: http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-pistols/674534-problem-m-p-10mm-customer-service-nightmare.html |
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Posted: 6/26/2022 6:11:00 PM EDT
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I purchased a 4.6" version a few months ago after originally ordering one from an online dealer in December 2021. The trigger was very gritty out of the box. I dry fired it probably 500 or so times. Still super gritty. I then cleaned it and the trigger smoothed up slightly. It still has a plastic "creaky"/"gritty" feel to the trigger even after cleaning and an additional few hundred more dry fires.
I've been waiting on an Apex trigger, X300 Turbo, correct Wolff springs and an Aimpoint P-2 before taking this out to the range. Haven't had any luck finding any of this stuff, so it's just been sitting on my desk being dry fired. The trigger is still shit. Gun feels great in my hand though and I like how it can hold 15 rounds. Plus the 10MM is a fun cartridge, can't deny that. On a whim I decided to bring it with me while shooting some of my other firearms since who the hell knows how long it will take for the accessories I want to be released. I fired 30 rounds of SIG 180gr. FMJ, and on the second magazine I had a failure to feed which I documented below using a camera on a cellular telephone. I'm really disappointed with the performance, especially for a modern semi auto pistol. Haven't encountered this kind of troubleshooting fun since I dabbled with a Kimber Warrior about 15 years ago (finally got that POS fixed thank god). I'm hoping maybe once I add the Aimpoint P2 it will increase the slide weight and slow the slide down. Now that SIG has a 10MM I may just sell this piece of s--t and let someone else tinker with it. Preferably a boomer that enjoys crafting flawless running 1911s, ha!   |
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Posted: 6/26/2022 7:46:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I purchased a 4.6" version a few months ago after originally ordering one from an online dealer in December 2021. The trigger was very gritty out of the box. I dry fired it probably 500 or so times. Still super gritty. I then cleaned it and the trigger smoothed up slightly. It still has a plastic "creaky"/"gritty" feel to the trigger even after cleaning and an additional few hundred more dry fires. I've been waiting on an Apex trigger, X300 Turbo, correct Wolff springs and an Aimpoint P-2 before taking this out to the range. Haven't had any luck finding any of this stuff, so it's just been sitting on my desk being dry fired. The trigger is still shit. Gun feels great in my hand though and I like how it can hold 15 rounds. Plus the 10MM is a fun cartridge, can't deny that. On a whim I decided to bring it with me while shooting some of my other firearms since who the hell knows how long it will take for the accessories I want to be released. I fired 30 rounds of SIG 180gr. FMJ, and on the second magazine I had a failure to feed which I documented below using a camera on a cellular telephone. I'm really disappointed with the performance, especially for a modern semi auto pistol. Haven't encountered this kind of troubleshooting fun since I dabbled with a Kimber Warrior about 15 years ago (finally got that POS fixed thank god). I'm hoping maybe once I add the Aimpoint P2 it will increase the slide weight and slow the slide down. Now that SIG has a 10MM I may just sell this piece of s--t and let someone else tinker with it. Preferably a boomer that enjoys crafting flawless running 1911s, ha! https://i.imgur.com/OmMMtn3.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ybUHKuc.jpg @BigBurkeyBoy Wolff has springs and uncaptured recoil rods HERE The M&P 10mm 4.6” is internally compatible with M&P 45 parts. This is what I’m using in my 4.6” |
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Posted: 6/26/2022 9:03:58 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I purchased a 4.6" version a few months ago after originally ordering one from an online dealer in December 2021. The trigger was very gritty out of the box. I dry fired it probably 500 or so times. Still super gritty. I then cleaned it and the trigger smoothed up slightly. It still has a plastic "creaky"/"gritty" feel to the trigger even after cleaning and an additional few hundred more dry fires. I've been waiting on an Apex trigger, X300 Turbo, correct Wolff springs and an Aimpoint P-2 before taking this out to the range. Haven't had any luck finding any of this stuff, so it's just been sitting on my desk being dry fired. The trigger is still shit. Gun feels great in my hand though and I like how it can hold 15 rounds. Plus the 10MM is a fun cartridge, can't deny that. On a whim I decided to bring it with me while shooting some of my other firearms since who the hell knows how long it will take for the accessories I want to be released. I fired 30 rounds of SIG 180gr. FMJ, and on the second magazine I had a failure to feed which I documented below using a camera on a cellular telephone. I'm really disappointed with the performance, especially for a modern semi auto pistol. Haven't encountered this kind of troubleshooting fun since I dabbled with a Kimber Warrior about 15 years ago (finally got that POS fixed thank god). I'm hoping maybe once I add the Aimpoint P2 it will increase the slide weight and slow the slide down. Now that SIG has a 10MM I may just sell this piece of s--t and let someone else tinker with it. Preferably a boomer that enjoys crafting flawless running 1911s, ha! https://i.imgur.com/OmMMtn3.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ybUHKuc.jpg Am I reading this wrong, or have you shot this gun a grand total of once and, after a single jam on your second magazine, you're declaring it a piece of shit? Did I get that right? |
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Posted: 6/26/2022 10:08:32 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Am I reading this wrong, or have you shot this gun a grand total of once and, after a single jam on your second magazine, you're declaring it a piece of shit? Did I get that right? Yup, I was so mad I didn't even finish a full box of 50 cartridges. Shot it once, and not even a full box of shells at that. I knew enough from reading online that this one was going to continue to have failure to feed issues just like others have already pointed out. I didn't need to waste anymore cartridges to confirm. Really disappointing to see a modern handgun come out of the gate with this type of unreliable performance using factory range ammunition. I could maybe give it a pass if these were some kind of obscure hollow point, like the old .45 ACP flying ashtrays. But nope, this was just regular ball ammo. A few people in this thread have mentioned similar failure to feed issues. We aren't shooting old WW2 small arms where hiccups are commonplace. These are modern 21st century arms and there's no excuse for this type of functioning. These type of failures should have been caught and corrected by S&W. With that said, I think there's enough failure to feed stories that this pistol needs to have some sort of fix implemented by Smith and Wesson. It seems to be a simple recoil spring issue and I'm hoping that's all it is. Others seem to have luck with the non-captive Wolff guide rods and springs designed for the S&W M&P .45ACP handgun. |
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Posted: 6/26/2022 10:30:47 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup, I was so mad I didn't even finish a full box of 50 cartridges. Shot it once, and not even a full box of shells at that. I knew enough from reading online that this one was going to continue to have failure to feed issues just like others have already pointed out. I didn't need to waste anymore cartridges to confirm. Really disappointing to see a modern handgun come out of the gate with this type of unreliable performance using factory range ammunition. I could maybe give it a pass if these were some kind of obscure hollow point, like the old .45 ACP flying ashtrays. But nope, this was just regular ball ammo. A few people in this thread have mentioned similar failure to feed issues. We aren't shooting old WW2 small arms where hiccups are commonplace. These are modern 21st century arms and there's no excuse for this type of functioning. These type of failures should have been caught and corrected by S&W. With that said, I think there's enough failure to feed stories that this pistol needs to have some sort of fix implemented by Smith and Wesson. It seems to be a simple recoil spring issue and I'm hoping that's all it is. Others seem to have luck with the non-captive Wolff guide rods and springs designed for the S&W M&P .45ACP handgun. Yeah, I'm sorry, but that seems a little ridiculous. I've never rendered judgement on a gun until I've put at least a couple hundred rounds through it and usually a couple different kinds of ammo at least. So many different things can cause a FTF, that calling a gun a POS after a single jam is incredibly unwise. |
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Posted: 6/27/2022 3:46:42 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, I'm sorry, but that seems a little ridiculous. I've never rendered judgement on a gun until I've put at least a couple hundred rounds through it and usually a couple different kinds of ammo at least. So many different things can cause a FTF, that calling a gun a POS after a single jam is incredibly unwise. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yup, I was so mad I didn't even finish a full box of 50 cartridges. Shot it once, and not even a full box of shells at that. I knew enough from reading online that this one was going to continue to have failure to feed issues just like others have already pointed out. I didn't need to waste anymore cartridges to confirm. Really disappointing to see a modern handgun come out of the gate with this type of unreliable performance using factory range ammunition. I could maybe give it a pass if these were some kind of obscure hollow point, like the old .45 ACP flying ashtrays. But nope, this was just regular ball ammo. A few people in this thread have mentioned similar failure to feed issues. We aren't shooting old WW2 small arms where hiccups are commonplace. These are modern 21st century arms and there's no excuse for this type of functioning. These type of failures should have been caught and corrected by S&W. With that said, I think there's enough failure to feed stories that this pistol needs to have some sort of fix implemented by Smith and Wesson. It seems to be a simple recoil spring issue and I'm hoping that's all it is. Others seem to have luck with the non-captive Wolff guide rods and springs designed for the S&W M&P .45ACP handgun. Yeah, I'm sorry, but that seems a little ridiculous. I've never rendered judgement on a gun until I've put at least a couple hundred rounds through it and usually a couple different kinds of ammo at least. So many different things can cause a FTF, that calling a gun a POS after a single jam is incredibly unwise.  Any new gun, I expect atleast some malfunctions while breaking the thing in. If it doesn't have the expected malfunction, then I'm all giddy. I did have that exact malfunction 1 the first time I shot the gun. Now I have the extra power ismi flat wire 24 lb spring on the oem guide rod shooting my real 10mm loads, 180gr at 1320 labradar confirmed, and have not had any malfunctions since. But it still really isn't broken in yet. So I am not going to pronounce it a pile of shit. Know which recently purchased pistols I haven't had any malfunctions with? Iwi masada and Beretta axp 2. I expect malfunctions until break in occurs. It's expected. Now if after 300 rounds or so, the thing keeps on doing it, then it's a pile of shit. Have a Ruger compact 9mm that wouldn't clear up no matter whoes ammo I tried. Sent it in to Ruger. They fixed it. That was after a few hundred rounds that it kept on malfunctioning with several brands of ammo. Not a single box for Fucks sake.  |
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Posted: 6/27/2022 4:39:04 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Any new gun, I expect atleast some malfunctions while breaking the thing in. If it doesn't have the expected malfunction, then I'm all giddy. I did have that exact malfunction 1 the first time I shot the gun. Now I have the extra power ismi flat wire 24 lb spring on the oem guide rod shooting my real 10mm loads, 180gr at 1320 labradar confirmed, and have not had any malfunctions since. But it still really isn't broken in yet. So I am not going to pronounce it a pile of shit. Know which recently purchased pistols I haven't had any malfunctions with? Iwi masada and Beretta axp 2. I expect malfunctions until break in occurs. It's expected. Now if after 300 rounds or so, the thing keeps on doing it, then it's a pile of shit. Have a Ruger compact 9mm that wouldn't clear up no matter whoes ammo I tried. Sent it in to Ruger. They fixed it. That was after a few hundred rounds that it kept on malfunctioning with several brands of ammo. Not a single box for Fucks sake. I had a SIG 10mm that was jamming consistently any time I fired flat-nosed ammo out of it. Looking closely, I found a burr on the feed ramp. Sent it back to SIG, they polished the feed ramp and it's been 100% reliable ever since, incredibly accurate, great gun. I would have never found that out if I was foolish enough to just toss it on the trash heap because it had a problem. |
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Posted: 6/27/2022 4:54:00 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Any new gun, I expect atleast some malfunctions while breaking the thing in. If it doesn't have the expected malfunction, then I'm all giddy. I did have that exact malfunction 1 the first time I shot the gun. Now I have the extra power ismi flat wire 24 lb spring on the oem guide rod shooting my real 10mm loads, 180gr at 1320 labradar confirmed, and have not had any malfunctions since. But it still really isn't broken in yet. So I am not going to pronounce it a pile of shit. Know which recently purchased pistols I haven't had any malfunctions with? Iwi masada and Beretta axp 2. I expect malfunctions until break in occurs. It's expected. Now if after 300 rounds or so, the thing keeps on doing it, then it's a pile of shit. Have a Ruger compact 9mm that wouldn't clear up no matter whoes ammo I tried. Sent it in to Ruger. They fixed it. That was after a few hundred rounds that it kept on malfunctioning with several brands of ammo. Not a single box for Fucks sake. I didn't even finish a box . Once I saw the jam, I knew from reading posts on here that I was running into the same issue everyone else has that bought this thing.I probably haven't bought as many handguns as you, but in the 10 or so that I've had, the only one that didn't work out of the box without a break in was my Kimber 1911. That one I had to send back to Kimber twice before it finally got sorted out. I like the 10MM so I don't want to give up on this just yet. Plus I'd hate to sell it and see the same issue with the SIG P320 10MM. Would it be better to buy the .45 ACP S&W M&P Wolff guide rod, and 24lbs. Wolff .45 ACP spring? Or should I try the JSMI spring? Which specific spring did you select? |
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Posted: 6/27/2022 5:31:53 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't even finish a box . Once I saw the jam, I knew from reading posts on here that I was running into the same issue everyone else has that bought this thing.I probably haven't bought as many handguns as you, but in the 10 or so that I've had, the only one that didn't work out of the box without a break in was my Kimber 1911. That one I had to send back to Kimber twice before it finally got sorted out. I like the 10MM so I don't want to give up on this just yet. Plus I'd hate to sell it and see the same issue with the SIG P320 10MM. Would it be better to buy the .45 ACP S&W M&P Wolff guide rod, and 24lbs. Wolff .45 ACP spring? Or should I try the JSMI spring? Which specific spring did you select? The first thing to do is run a couple hundred rounds through it. Then you'll know if you actually have a problem and need to do anything to the gun at all. |
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