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Posted: 6/27/2023 1:09:39 PM EDT
[#1]
Put 60 more RDS of Underwood 220 HC through the M2.0.
Unfortunately, I had multiple failures to reset the trigger (slide wasn’t going fully into battery). I wonder if I was “limp wristing” a little and not letting the gun completely “reset”. Or maybe the #24 lb spring is too much? I went ahead and bought a 22 lb IMI spring and I intend to install it onto the factory recoil guide. |
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Posted: 6/30/2023 8:54:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I believe the 9mm is smaller. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I am looking for a cross draw holster to fit MY MP 10mm with 4.62" barrel. Does anyone have any recommendations? Something like the Galco Phoenix is what I am wanting but it isn't made to fit this model. Thanks the 10mm is the exact same size as the m&p 45 and i believe 9mm as well I believe the 9mm is smaller. The full size M&P 9mm is definitely smaller. My M&P 10mm will not fit in any of my M&P 9mm holsters. |
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Posted: 6/30/2023 9:07:25 AM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Put 60 more RDS of Underwood 220 HC through the M2.0. Unfortunately, I had multiple failures to reset the trigger (slide wasn’t going fully into battery). I wonder if I was “limp wristing” if a little and not letting the gun completely “reset”. Or maybe the #24 lb spring is too much? I went ahead and bought a 22 lb IMI spring and I intend to install it onto the factory recoil guide. I’m moving down to a 20# spring as well. I think the 22# I’m running is more than I need. But I only shoot 180 and 200 gr bullrts |
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Posted: 7/1/2023 7:41:57 PM EDT
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Getting that bolt unscrewed from the recoil rod was a bbbbbbbbaaaasssssttttaaaaarrrdddd. Still, got it replaced with the 22#. I’ll snag some ammo this week and see if it runs ok.
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Posted: 7/1/2023 8:02:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Getting that bolt unscrewed from the recoil rod was a bbbbbbbbaaaasssssttttaaaaarrrdddd. Still, got it replaced with the 22#. I’ll snag some ammo this week and see if it runs ok. Was there loctite on the threads? If so, putting a soldering iron on the end for a short time can soften it. |
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Posted: 7/1/2023 8:09:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was there loctite on the threads? If so, putting a soldering iron on the end for a short time can soften it. This, plus a vice |
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Posted: 7/1/2023 9:42:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This, plus a vice Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Was there loctite on the threads? If so, putting a soldering iron on the end for a short time can soften it. This, plus a vice I put it into a vice. Got it done. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 1:35:25 PM EDT
[#8]
Anyone try the blue Federal Syntech yet?
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Posted: 7/4/2023 2:08:49 PM EDT
[#9]
Broke down and picked up a like new M&P 2.0 with a Romeo 1 Pro for $650 out of the door.
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Posted: 7/4/2023 2:22:14 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Broke down and picked up a like new M&P 2.0 with a Romeo 1 Pro for $650 out of the door. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/218/210A2076-53BF-4453-B9CF-C5D8D4E81255-2873526.jpg Very nice! I would suggest checking the installation of that dot before your first range session. |
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Posted: 7/4/2023 2:47:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Very nice! I would suggest checking the installation of that dot before your first range session. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Broke down and picked up a like new M&P 2.0 with a Romeo 1 Pro for $650 out of the door. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/218/210A2076-53BF-4453-B9CF-C5D8D4E81255-2873526.jpg Very nice! I would suggest checking the installation of that dot before your first range session. What’s the proper torque for installation? I have a friend with a Wheeler digital torque wrench. |
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Posted: 7/4/2023 2:56:47 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What’s the proper torque for installation? I have a friend with a Wheeler digital torque wrench. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Broke down and picked up a like new M&P 2.0 with a Romeo 1 Pro for $650 out of the door. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/218/210A2076-53BF-4453-B9CF-C5D8D4E81255-2873526.jpg Very nice! I would suggest checking the installation of that dot before your first range session. What’s the proper torque for installation? I have a friend with a Wheeler digital torque wrench. I’m not sure for the Romeo. Maybe Sig has a manual yiu can find as a .pdf? With no other information, I’d use 12 in-lbs as a max. I’d also disassemble, clean and degrease the screw threads, slide threaded holes, all surfaces of the plate snd the bottom of the optic. Then reassemble with thread locker, let cure and add witness marks to the fasteners. |
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Posted: 7/4/2023 7:54:24 PM EDT
[#13]
I really want one of these, how are they holding up? Does anyone have 2000 rounds through one yet or seen a hard use review?
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Posted: 7/5/2023 2:17:01 PM EDT
[#14]
Ran some round over the chrono today, in case anyone cares. Full size pistol.
Grizzly 220gr 1089-1109 FPS, with 4 clocking at 1108. 7 rounds total fired, all the rest were 5 round samples. Federal Blue Syntech, 200gr. 1136-1177 FPS AAC 180gr 1042-1162 FPS Blazer 180 gr 1108-1132 FPS HSM 200 gr "Bear Load" lead 1071-1090 FPS. |
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Posted: 7/14/2023 7:33:28 PM EDT
[#15]
So I have the 22lbs spring and rod, and the +10% springs in one magazine.
The penultumate round won't feed, consistently. Doesn't matter if I load 5, 10 or 15 rounds. Looks like it and the last round both kick up too high and won't enter the chamber. Any ideas how to fix? |
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Posted: 7/14/2023 8:43:26 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/314595/IMG_9485_jpeg-2840357.JPG I’m going from a Holosun 407. & the M&P plastic plate to a direct mount Holosun SCS MP2. It definitely will sit lower on the frame. Picked one up this week, going to install tonight if i get time. How does it look with the tall factory sights? |
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Posted: 7/15/2023 3:21:06 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Picked one up this week, going to install tonight if i get time. How does it look with the tall factory sights? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/314595/IMG_9485_jpeg-2840357.JPG I’m going from a Holosun 407. & the M&P plastic plate to a direct mount Holosun SCS MP2. It definitely will sit lower on the frame. Picked one up this week, going to install tonight if i get time. How does it look with the tall factory sights? @RDTCU The original sights are almost full cowitness with the SCS installed. At first I thought I’d date this, and planned to order standard height Dawson sights. But after a few range trips and dry fire sessions, it’s growing on me. |
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Posted: 7/15/2023 3:23:23 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So I have the 22lbs spring and rod, and the +10% springs in one magazine. The penultumate round won't feed, consistently. Doesn't matter if I load 5, 10 or 15 rounds. Looks like it and the last round both kick up too high and won't enter the chamber. Any ideas how to fix? With all loads? |
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Posted: 7/17/2023 1:16:25 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: With all loads? Federal 200gr syntech, Grizzly 220gr Hardcast and AAC 180gr ball. So, yes. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 7:19:22 PM EDT
[#20]
you guys got me paranoid
45 shots 220 underwood today, 1 FTF halfway through second mag  mag springs: springer precision extra power recoil spring: 22lb wolff |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 10:05:51 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @RDTCU The original sights are almost full cowitness with the SCS installed. At first I thought I’d date this, and planned to order standard height Dawson sights. But after a few range trips and dry fire sessions, it’s growing on me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/314595/IMG_9485_jpeg-2840357.JPG I’m going from a Holosun 407. & the M&P plastic plate to a direct mount Holosun SCS MP2. It definitely will sit lower on the frame. Picked one up this week, going to install tonight if i get time. How does it look with the tall factory sights? @RDTCU The original sights are almost full cowitness with the SCS installed. At first I thought I’d date this, and planned to order standard height Dawson sights. But after a few range trips and dry fire sessions, it’s growing on me. Yeah i still might go for some lower sights. The factory tall sights take up a lot of real estate in the smaller window.  Attached FileThe SCS is pretty slick, though.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/31/2023 3:30:16 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: you guys got me paranoid 45 shots 220 underwood today, 1 FTF halfway through second mag mag springs: springer precision extra power recoil spring: 22lb wolff so i had one FTF w a 22lb recoil spring and upgraded mag springs. do i need to try a 20lb or 24lb recoil spring to address the FTF? a 24lb spring would have more force to strip the round as it comes back into battery? but it could also be an inherent issue by design of the bullet geometry/feed ramp? i know its not limp wristing. overall i think ive had two maybe three FTFs out of 105rds of underwood 220 hardcast |
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Posted: 7/31/2023 3:42:47 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: you guys got me paranoid 45 shots 220 underwood today, 1 FTF halfway through second mag mag springs: springer precision extra power recoil spring: 22lb wolff Maybe just stick with the 200 grain? |
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Posted: 7/31/2023 5:55:00 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe just stick with the 200 grain? thats def a solid plan B. maybe ill order a few boxes of 220 and 200 and see if the 24# spring helps on 220. worst case ill go 200gr part if me is wanting to find a fix |
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Posted: 7/31/2023 6:13:41 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: thats def a solid plan B. maybe ill order a few boxes of 220 and 200 and see if the 24# spring helps on 220. worst case ill go 200gr part if me is wanting to find a fix Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Maybe just stick with the 200 grain? thats def a solid plan B. maybe ill order a few boxes of 220 and 200 and see if the 24# spring helps on 220. worst case ill go 200gr part if me is wanting to find a fix I've always loaded up with the 200 grain in both Underwood and Buffalo Bore and never had any feeding issues with the factory spring. |
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Posted: 7/31/2023 10:03:43 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've always loaded up with the 200 grain in both Underwood and Buffalo Bore and never had any feeding issues with the factory spring. do you have a digital caliper? mind throwing a few 200gr underwood and measuring OAL for me? |
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Posted: 7/31/2023 10:29:25 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: do you have a digital caliper? mind throwing a few 200gr underwood and measuring OAL for me? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I've always loaded up with the 200 grain in both Underwood and Buffalo Bore and never had any feeding issues with the factory spring. do you have a digital caliper? mind throwing a few 200gr underwood and measuring OAL for me? I don't, unfortunately, but I'll see what I can do. I might know someone who has the digital caliper. |
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Posted: 8/3/2023 12:59:26 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't, unfortunately, but I'll see what I can do. I might know someone who has the digital caliper. Thanks Rik, Im surprised I would've thought for sure you would have one already!  Here is a sample of 5 OAL underwood 220gr hardcast 1.249 1.248 1.249 1.248 1.244 |
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Posted: 8/3/2023 2:16:02 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks Rik, Im surprised I would've thought for sure you would have one already! Here is a sample of 5 OAL underwood 220gr hardcast 1.249 1.248 1.249 1.248 1.244 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't, unfortunately, but I'll see what I can do. I might know someone who has the digital caliper. Thanks Rik, Im surprised I would've thought for sure you would have one already! Here is a sample of 5 OAL underwood 220gr hardcast 1.249 1.248 1.249 1.248 1.244 @ripcurlksm  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/3/2023 5:54:51 PM EDT
[#30]
thanks aero, looks like the average OAL deltas between 220gr and 200gr is ~0.005”
not sure that would contribute to rare FTF issues, but maybe its on the line |
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Posted: 8/8/2023 2:00:06 PM EDT
[#31]
Ok watching a lot of videos on MP 10MM FTF issues reading the comments. One non-MP video is below which I thought was pretty interesting has me thinking im over sprung
I think with the weight of the holosun optic and 22# recoil spring, my slide might be over sprung shooting 220gr underwood. Just swapped out to a 20# and going to give that a run. If it FTF again, I will look at maybe going to a lighter recoil spring, and the Apex Failure Resistant Extractor which should have a more open geometry to allow the case rim to more easily slide in Based on the OAL between 220 and 200gr underwood, I think I would have the same issues regardless of bullet weight 2m30s mark  Technical Tuesday: Identifying Malfunctions - Nose Up Jam Im accepting 220gr underwood donations for this testing
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Posted: 8/8/2023 2:30:27 PM EDT
[#32]
Carver custom whom I can't recommend enough, is having a 15% off sale on Carver branded items.
They are a go to for S&W guide rod and springs. Thanks15 for 15% off Carver branded items. Thru 8/15/23 I purchased a comp and guide rod spring combo for my m&p 45. Managed to order the wrong rod. They sent me the correct rod before I could send back the wrong one that I ordered. |
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Posted: 8/8/2023 5:40:48 PM EDT
[#33]
Some other 200gr offerings:
 Attached File1.248 1.248 1.249 1.245 1.245  Attached File1.227 1.228 1.229 1.229 1.231 Chrono data: 1071-1090 FPS (5 shots, 5" pistol)  Attached File1.253 1.253 1.254 1.257 1.257 @ripcurlksm |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 2:39:07 PM EDT
[#34]
thanks NotIssued!
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok watching a lot of videos on MP 10MM FTF issues reading the comments. One non-MP video is below which I thought was pretty interesting has me thinking im over sprung I think with the weight of the holosun optic and 22# recoil spring, my slide might be over sprung shooting 220gr underwood. Just swapped out to a 20# and going to give that a run. If it FTF again, I will look at maybe going to a lighter recoil spring, and the Apex Failure Resistant Extractor which should have a more open geometry to allow the case rim to more easily slide in Based on the OAL between 220 and 200gr underwood, I think I would have the same issues regardless of bullet weight 2m30s mark  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQbyRa_-pgcIm accepting 220gr underwood donations for this testing screw it i bought the apex failure resistant extractor which should also aid in feeding more reliably per apex engineering team: “The claw our extractor has a different profile to allow a smoother feed under the claw. Instead of being squared off it has an angle edge to it to allow for smoother feeding. In our test firearms we were experiencing feeding issues as well in a factory configuration.” so hopefully reducing the recoil spring to 20# and a new extractor will fix the rare (3 out if 100) FTF issues i’ve experienced with 220gr underwood |
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Posted: 8/16/2023 12:58:45 PM EDT
[#35]
Here are some comparison shots between the OEM extractor and Apex Failure Resistant Extractor looking at the ramp/claw where rounds are loaded up from the magazine
Initial observations: - the OEM hook is thinner overall, but the Apex is tapered thinner where the round enters - the OEM hook depth looks longer, but both extractors have their claws fully engaged on the brass rim OEM (left), Apex (Right)  Attached FileOEM (left), Apex (Right)  Attached FileOEM (left), Apex (Right)  Attached FileIm going to put 200rds of ball through it and then test the 80rds of underwood 220gr with 20# recoil spring. If I get a 220gr FTF i will stop and go to a lighter spring |
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Posted: 8/19/2023 2:24:21 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Here are some comparison shots between the OEM extractor and Apex Failure Resistant Extractor looking at the ramp/claw where rounds are loaded up from the magazine Initial observations: - the OEM hook is thinner overall, but the Apex is tapered thinner where the round enters - the OEM hook depth looks longer, but both extractors have their claws fully engaged on the brass rim OEM (left), Apex (Right) https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/210556/IMG_3735_JPEG-2921610.JPG OEM (left), Apex (Right) https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/210556/IMG_3738_JPEG-2921611.JPG OEM (left), Apex (Right) https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/210556/IMG_3741_JPEG-2921612.JPG Im going to put 200rds of ball through it and then test the 80rds of underwood 220gr with 20# recoil spring. If I get a 220gr FTF i will stop and go to a lighter spring I had an extractor that was causing this malfunction on a different brand of pistol. I filed the corner of the extractor just a little bit, just to take the sharp edge off. Problem solved, no money spent. It still extracts perfectly today. Any reason why that wouldn't work as well here? |
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Posted: 8/19/2023 4:09:25 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I had an extractor that was causing this malfunction on a different brand of pistol. I filed the corner of the extractor just a little bit, just to take the sharp edge off. Problem solved, no money spent. It still extracts perfectly today. Any reason why that wouldn't work as well here? could potentially! i THINK my FTF issue is using a 24# recoil spring and the weight of an optic, my slide is oversprung. the slide is sometimes not traveling rearward enough to pick up the next round. i figured a new extractor couldnt hurt. got 80rds of 220gr arriving monday. plan to shoot 100rds of 180 ball w 22# to ensure extractor is working, then will switch to 220gr and hope all 80 feed perfectly |
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Posted: 8/21/2023 5:21:53 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: could potentially! i THINK my FTF issue is using a 24# recoil spring and the weight of an optic, my slide is oversprung. the slide is sometimes not traveling rearward enough to pick up the next round. i figured a new extractor couldnt hurt. got 80rds of 220gr arriving monday. plan to shoot 100rds of 180 ball w 22# to ensure extractor is working, then will switch to 220gr and hope all 80 feed perfectly Really looking forward to see if this works. I've got a 22# spring and the Springer Precision recoil springs and I still get occasional issues with Underwood 200 grain hardcast (haven't even tried 220s). |
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Posted: 8/21/2023 11:04:17 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Really looking forward to see if this works. I've got a 22# spring and the Springer Precision recoil springs and I still get occasional issues with Underwood 200 grain hardcast (haven't even tried 220s). ok interesting! do you have an optic mounted? ill let you know how the 20# works. ammo arrived today |
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Posted: 8/22/2023 5:46:55 PM EDT
[#40]
Great news, using the 20# recoil spring and the Apex extractor, I shot 100rds 180gr ball and 80rds 220gr underwood with no FTF issues.
Since I changed to 20# spring and new extractor at the same time, I cant say what the fix was but I do think the 22# and 24# recoil springs were too much, also factoring in the weight of the optic on the slide. My hand hurts If I had to do this all again wanting to shoot 220gr underwood with an optic starting from a new gun purchase: - upgrade magazine springs to springer extra power - upgrade recoil spring to wolff 20# w guide rod - purchase metal CHPWS optic plate |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 4:57:21 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ok interesting! do you have an optic mounted? ill let you know how the 20# works. ammo arrived today Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Really looking forward to see if this works. I've got a 22# spring and the Springer Precision recoil springs and I still get occasional issues with Underwood 200 grain hardcast (haven't even tried 220s). ok interesting! do you have an optic mounted? ill let you know how the 20# works. ammo arrived today No optic...want to get this working reliably before I bother putting an optic on it. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 4:58:00 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Great news, using the 20# recoil spring and the Apex extractor, I shot 100rds 180gr ball and 80rds 220gr underwood with no FTF issues. Since I changed to 20# spring and new extractor at the same time, I cant say what the fix was but I do think the 22# and 24# recoil springs were too much, also factoring in the weight of the optic on the slide. My hand hurts If I had to do this all again wanting to shoot 220gr underwood with an optic starting from a new gun purchase: - upgrade magazine springs to springer extra power - upgrade recoil spring to wolff 20# w guide rod - purchase metal CHPWS optic plate Awesome! Now put the 22# spring back in and try again to see if it was the spring weight or extractor. |
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Posted: 8/24/2023 12:39:44 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Awesome! Now put the 22# spring back in and try again to see if it was the spring weight or extractor. get both? try dropping down to 20# to keep this experiment going! if it dosent the extractor should be the final fix
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Posted: 9/6/2023 5:03:53 AM EDT
[#44]
I have been using a 20lb spring since I purchased the gun and with the factory extractor have had no failures with about 500 rounds from 180 to 220 grain. I have not upgraded the mag springs yet, but haven’t felt the need for it yet.
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Posted: 9/6/2023 9:23:47 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have been using a 20lb spring since I purchased the gun and with the factory extractor have had no failures with about 500 rounds from 180 to 220 grain. I have not upgraded the mag springs yet, but haven’t felt the need for it yet. awesome thank you for sharing that 
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Posted: 9/7/2023 6:23:23 PM EDT
[#46]
Had mine about a week.
Recoil with 22lb and 180 fmjs seem lighter than factory spring. 50 rounds 180lb 20 rounds underwood 220 hard cast 20 rounds underwood 180 fmj Only issues are with the 220 hard cast. Magazine falls out of gun. Mine is the safety version and I know my thumb is not hitting the release. Looks like it’s a magazine issue with the big hard cast bullets. Anyone have solution? |
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Posted: 9/7/2023 7:40:31 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Had mine about a week. Recoil with 22lb and 180 fmjs seem lighter than factory spring. 50 rounds 180lb 20 rounds underwood 220 hard cast 20 rounds underwood 180 fmj Only issues are with the 220 hard cast. Magazine falls out of gun. Mine is the safety version and I know my thumb is not hitting the release. Looks like it’s a magazine issue with the big hard cast bullets. Anyone have solution? Use the 200 grains instead? |
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Posted: 9/8/2023 2:13:29 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Had mine about a week. Recoil with 22lb and 180 fmjs seem lighter than factory spring. 50 rounds 180lb 20 rounds underwood 220 hard cast 20 rounds underwood 180 fmj Only issues are with the 220 hard cast. Magazine falls out of gun. Mine is the safety version and I know my thumb is not hitting the release. Looks like it’s a magazine issue with the big hard cast bullets. Anyone have solution? a few thoughts/guesses: id try inserting magazine with silde open to load. maybe the catch isnt fully engaged if inserted w slide closed remove mag catch, inspect and clean. maybe replace the mag catch spring or stretch it out a little buy a new mag youre 100% sure your not hitting the catch? apparently theres slow mo vids of people w this issue and the are touching the mag release when fired |
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Posted: 9/8/2023 12:07:17 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: a few thoughts/guesses: id try inserting magazine with silde open to load. maybe the catch isnt fully engaged if inserted w slide closed remove mag catch, inspect and clean. maybe replace the mag catch spring or stretch it out a little buy a new mag youre 100% sure your not hitting the catch? apparently theres slow mo vids of people w this issue and the are touching the mag release when fired Thanks, those are worth trying. I indeed inserted a full mag into a closed slide. I tested just now and mag catch doesn’t close all the way when I do this with 15 rounds in mag. 14 is fine. I did remove mag catch to clean it. The spring is embedded into the frame and can not be replaced. I did try to bend it a little to increase tension. I’m thinking of 3D printing a little piece of TPU to slide onto the spring (it’s just a steel rod) to increase tension. I’m positive I’m not hitting it. Mine is the safety model and thumb is not leaving safety. |
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Posted: 9/8/2023 11:17:21 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I indeed inserted a full mag into a closed slide. I tested just now and mag catch doesn’t close all the way when I do this with 15 rounds in mag. 14 is fine. Quote HistoryQuoted: I indeed inserted a full mag into a closed slide. I tested just now and mag catch doesn’t close all the way when I do this with 15 rounds in mag. 14 is fine. cool that may be the issue? Quoted: I’m positive I’m not hitting it. Mine is the safety model and thumb is not leaving safety. i dont think the safety has anything to do w your left hand inadvertently touching the safety as you shoot |
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