Posted: 1/12/2011 9:44:05 PM EDT
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So I was in shop today looking for a new carry pistol. Looked at several. Sigma 9VE, wasn't really impressed SD9 and SD40, better than Sigma 9VE but trigger a little hard/stiff =$443+tax+ $10 state check= around $500 out door M&P9C, Liked it, had nice feel, but grip seemed a little small in my hand =$598+tax+ $10 state check= around $650 out door M&P40C, same as above M&P 9, 40, 45 fullsize, liked each, not sure about concealability.$598+tax+ $10 state check= around $650 out door Now while I was there, saw a Pro series at $100 more Best I could figure was the difference between the M&P and M&P Pro was lighter trigger pull and Night Sights. So M&P 9, 40, 45 Pro Series would be $692+tax+ $10 state check= around $760 out door I have either carried a 9mm, or .45. I am not opposed to a .40, but am a little unsure. I personally don't see an advantage to carrying a .40 over a 9mm or .45 Meaning yes the 40 is a little "beefier" than a 9mm but 9mm have ability to carry more rounds than .40 loaded. If go with .40, then carrying same amount of ammo as a .45, so why not just carry the .45? I am a firm believer that shot placement and bullet selection is key. So with the selections of 9mm out there that are very adequate, seems the 9mm would be a better(lighter) CCW piece? This will become my daily CCW gun. I am looking for advice, recommendations, facts on the above. Also looking for a little idea on prices out there. I know that may find a little cheaper, but by time pay shipping, FFL transfer fee ($15) and $10 back ground check, seems would be equal. Unless my dealer is just $$$. (usually fair prices). School me................................................... Thanks. |
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Quoted: Did you try a different backstrap on the M&Pc? I love my M&P9c Got it for $530 with tax new http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j26/louisianarebel14/IMGP0757-1.jpg No I didn't. By too small I meant my pinky finger was completely off the grip(actually tucked under the mag) $530 seems better than what my dealer was offering. That was normal price? Not rebated, MIL/LEO discount, etc.... |
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Quoted: Ordered it at a pawnshop. Normal price. Can get it from buds guns around that. Quoted: Did you try a different backstrap on the M&Pc? I love my M&P9c Got it for $530 with tax new http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j26/louisianarebel14/IMGP0757-1.jpg No I didn't. By too small I meant my pinky finger was completely off the grip(actually tucked under the mag) $530 seems better than what my dealer was offering. That was normal price? Not rebated, MIL/LEO discount, etc.... The ones you try have the finger on the mag like my pic? I have a flat mag i never use and mine goes under the grip on it. http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_39_71/products_id/55549 |
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Quoted: Quoted: Ordered it at a pawnshop. Normal price. Can get it from buds guns around that. Quoted: Did you try a different backstrap on the M&Pc? I love my M&P9c Got it for $530 with tax new http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j26/louisianarebel14/IMGP0757-1.jpg No I didn't. By too small I meant my pinky finger was completely off the grip(actually tucked under the mag) $530 seems better than what my dealer was offering. That was normal price? Not rebated, MIL/LEO discount, etc.... The ones you try have the finger on the mag like my pic? I have a flat mag i never use and mine goes under the grip on it. http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_39_71/products_id/55549 The one I tried looked like your pic. Granted that was my 5 minutes of fingering it in the store. so really can't make a judgement, only first impression. As for price, seems would come out cheaper buying from Bud's and paying $25 (transfer & check). I am leaning towards the full size, but just don't think worth it for the Pro Series. (although night sites are nice). Was hoping folks would chime in and persuade me one way or the other. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ordered it at a pawnshop. Normal price. Can get it from buds guns around that. Quoted: Did you try a different backstrap on the M&Pc? I love my M&P9c Got it for $530 with tax new http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j26/louisianarebel14/IMGP0757-1.jpg No I didn't. By too small I meant my pinky finger was completely off the grip(actually tucked under the mag) $530 seems better than what my dealer was offering. That was normal price? Not rebated, MIL/LEO discount, etc.... The ones you try have the finger on the mag like my pic? I have a flat mag i never use and mine goes under the grip on it. http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_39_71/products_id/55549 The one I tried looked like your pic. Granted that was my 5 minutes of fingering it in the store. so really can't make a judgement, only first impression. As for price, seems would come out cheaper buying from Bud's and paying $25 (transfer & check). I am leaning towards the full size, but just don't think worth it for the Pro Series. (although night sites are nice). Was opening folks would chime in and persuade me one way or the other. I own or have owned and carried all of the options you're looking at. I prefer to carry the full size M&P 9. If you're not willing to carry a full size handgun, the M&P 45C is my next choice (it's about the size of a G19). If that's still too big, then my next choice is the M&P 9C using the magazine with the pinky extension. The compact M&Ps come with two different magazines––one flush fitting and one with a pinky extenstion. It sounds like the one you tried had the flush fitting magazine inserted. Skip the .40. ETA: Your dealer's prices seem high. I'd definitely order from Buds. |
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So I was in shop today looking for a new carry pistol.
Looked at several. Sigma 9VE, wasn't really impressed SD9 and SD40, better than Sigma 9VE but trigger a little hard/stiff =$443+tax+ $10 state check= around $500 out door M&P9C, Liked it, had nice feel, but grip seemed a little small in my hand =$598+tax+ $10 state check= around $650 out door M&P40C, same as above M&P 9, 40, 45 fullsize, liked each, not sure about concealability.$598+tax+ $10 state check= around $650 out door Now while I was there, saw a Pro series at $100 more Best I could figure was the difference between the M&P and M&P Pro was lighter trigger pull and Night Sights. So M&P 9, 40, 45 Pro Series would be $692+tax+ $10 state check= around $760 out door I have either carried a 9mm, or .45. I am not opposed to a .40, but am a little unsure. I personally don't see an advantage to carrying a .40 over a 9mm or .45 Meaning yes the 40 is a little "beefier" than a 9mm but 9mm have ability to carry more rounds than .40 loaded. If go with .40, then carrying same amount of ammo as a .45, so why not just carry the .45? I am a firm believer that shot placement and bullet selection is key. So with the selections of 9mm out there that are very adequate, seems the 9mm would be a better(lighter) CCW piece? This will become my daily CCW gun. I am looking for advice, recommendations, facts on the above. Also looking for a little idea on prices out there. I know that may find a little cheaper, but by time pay shipping, FFL transfer fee ($15) and $10 back ground check, seems would be equal. Unless my dealer is just $$$. (usually fair prices). School me................................................... Thanks. I carry a MP40 fullsize, everyday, in a Comp-Tac MTAC. The right holster makes all the difference in concealing a handgun. Mine disappears under an untucked shirt, a pull over, long sleeve shirt.... The M&P 40 or 9mm fullsize will serve you well, which ever you choose. |
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Also looking for a little idea on prices out there. I know that may find a little cheaper, but by time pay shipping, FFL transfer fee ($15) and $10 back ground check, seems would be equal. Unless my dealer is just $$$. (usually fair prices). Prices in TX (I'm aware that this is not the same state as yours, but throwing this out there for general comparison) at the last gunshow I attended (weekend before X-mas weekend), the M&PCs were $429.99 for the .40S&W and .357sig models. Did not really look at full size models that day though. The 9mm M&P Pro goes for $535 at buds and that includes shipping (I believe handguns travel by 2nd Day service and long guns by ground). In TX, we pay $20-25 dollars for the transfer (4473 + NICS BGC unless you have a CHL, then the BGC is skipped). You can do the math as it pertains to your state of residence. |
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Quoted: I own a different brand (ban him) and only two of my fingers go on the grip. Know what? It shoots great! Seriously. .40. When I first held it, it felt weird but shooting it sealed the deal. Can you shoot the different models?Quoted: Did you try a different backstrap on the M&Pc? I love my M&P9c Got it for $530 with tax new http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j26/louisianarebel14/IMGP0757-1.jpg No I didn't. By too small I meant my pinky finger was completely off the grip(actually tucked under the mag) $530 seems better than what my dealer was offering. That was normal price? Not rebated, MIL/LEO discount, etc.... On the 9, 40, 45 weight question I wonder if a 15rnd 9 is any lighter than a 10rnd .45. Good luck, great guns! |
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CDNN is having a sale right now and has some M&P's down to $429.99. Add your transfer fee, $25 shipping, and state check fee, and you'll save a ton. I think the sale ends today or tomorrow. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile IIRC, they also carry the 'bi-tone' models with natural stainless slides if you like that sort of thing. |
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Just weighed mine:
M&P .45 fullsize 2lbs 4.5 oz or 1035 grams This is 10 rounds of Hornady 230grain XTPs M&P .40 Full Size 2lbs 3.6 oz or 1010 grams This is 15 rounds of Hornady 180 grain XTPs M&P .40 Full Size WITH 9mm barrel 2lbs 0.9 oz or 961 grams This is 17 rounds of Hornady 115 grain XTPs When you pick them up...you can't really tell the difference between the .45 and the .40....or the 9mm from the .40...but if you pick up the .45 and the 9mm you can tell...other than that...they all go bang. |
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Quoted: Yeah I saw that after I posted and was to tired to edit. went to bed. (to many trains of thought late at night)."If go with .40, then carrying same amount of ammo as a .45, so why not just carry the .45?" The magazine capacity of the 45 is ten rounds. The magazine capacity of the 40 is 15 rounds. If I could only own one M&P it would be my Pro40 with night sights. If I could only own one M&P it would be my Pro40 with night sights. WHY? Help me decide. |
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Quoted: This is something that I did not consider, but could weigh heavily on my decision. (Great more ammo to buy)Quoted: Don't forget, the .40S&W models have the ability to be 3 calibers in one.  True..I have the 40, a 9mm barrel and 9mm mags...add the 357 Sig barrel and you have 3 into one. As I said earlier, I am not opposed to the .40, just not sure what advantage it would provide. Looking for some advice/ knowledge/recommendations/ persuasion. I am not trying to "stir the pot" with 9mm vs .40, and .40 vs .45. I have either carried a 9mm or .45 my whole life, occasionally a 357 snubby. I use a 44 Mag for handgun hunting. I know everything has it's place, and have to try the "new offerings" before deciding not for you. I really am more interested in: 1) which M&P you choose, compact vs full size vs Pro Series 2) which caliber selection( why) after model selection 3) why the M&P vs some other make, model, etc... So far, there has been some great replies, and have to admit, I am leaning towards the full size 40. Thanks everyone, please keep them coming. |
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1. I went with the Full Size versions on the .40 and .45 with a 9mm barrel dropped into the .40 as a third option. I'm not a big fan of compacts...but I also found that I didn't like the extra .75 inches of the pro series when drawing from a holster.
2. I may be weird...but I carry the .40 and have the .45 for home defense. I find the .40 to be a best of both worlds and I use the .45 because I personally feel that living in an apartment..and one round misses and goes thru all wall...I have a better chance of not killing an innocent third party with the bigger slower slug with XTP bullets...but I have a better chance of killing the attacker who may be wearing a heavy material jacket such as a Carhartt denim work coat. Sometimes I'll carry the .45 in the Wintertime as apposed to the .40. 3. I chose the S&W M&P over other brands because the grip just fits my hands better. The Glock is a block in my hands and I don't point well with it. The XD series felt nice but I simply shot better on the range with the M&P. If it feels good...and it shoots good...and it's reliable...what else do you want? Some people may select the 9c for the ease of conceal carry. In the summer time I'll open carry most places...but I understand every states laws are different..and everyone's carry preferences are different. I don't concern myself with mag capacity....in the real world...you are shooting and scooting or up close and personal and you simply don't need that much ammo. If you are accosted by 17 bad guys in an alley that don't take off and run after you've put ten of them to the ground...you may argue this point though. |
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THANKS.. Great information. Quoted: 1. I went with the Full Size versions on the .40 and .45 with a 9mm barrel dropped into the .40 as a third option. I'm not a big fan of compacts...but I also found that I didn't like the extra .75 inches of the pro series when drawing from a holster. I also have never really been a fan of compacts. I feel that only difference between compacts and full size was a smaller grip, and mag capability. Except maybe when we get into the 380 (pocket pistols) Kel Tec, Rugers, etc....... 2. I may be weird...but I carry the .40 and have the .45 for home defense. I find the .40 to be a best of both worlds and I use the .45 because I personally feel that living in an apartment..and one round misses and goes thru all wall...I have a better chance of not killing an innocent third party with the bigger slower slug with XTP bullets...but I have a better chance of killing the attacker who may be wearing a heavy material jacket such as a Carhartt denim work coat. Sometimes I'll carry the .45 in the Wintertime as apposed to the .40. my dilemma was..... I already own a couple 9mms, and I have a couple .45s. They all are about the same size as the M&P full size, however the weight of the M&P is lighter (polymer/steel vs steel). So why bring another caliber into the mix? I am not a "hater" of the capability of the 9mm with proper bullet selection and shot placement. But with the M&P 40 full size, I do like the ability to swap barrels to 9mm and 357 Sig (although I have no experience with this caliber either). 3. I chose the S&W M&P over other brands because the grip just fits my hands better. The Glock is a block in my hands and I don't point well with it. The XD series felt nice but I simply shot better on the range with the M&P. If it feels good...and it shoots good...and it's reliable...what else do you want? I have the same issue with the Glock. But that comes from only being able to finger them in the store. None of my friends have them, so no range time use with them. I believe they are either a Love them or Hate them gun. I am not against them, maybe just takes some getting used to. However I am sticking with S&W right now. what I did not mention, was I will be getting a deal from S&W for some issues with a previous gun. I will have to "pay the difference" but have the options of the guns I mentioned in OP. At the most should be $200 difference. Some people may select the 9c for the ease of conceal carry. In the summer time I'll open carry most places...but I understand every states laws are different..and everyone's carry preferences are different. I don't concern myself with mag capacity....in the real world...you are shooting and scooting or up close and personal and you simply don't need that much ammo. If you are accosted by 17 bad guys in an alley that don't take off and run after you've put ten of them to the ground...you may argue this point though. I do like to carry all of my other guns, however being that they are Full Size, concealability is an issue. The weight of my Full Size guns is more of a factor (They are all steel or steel alloy guns). I prefer not to Open Carry 99% of the time. I would rather what I have come as a surprise to those intending to do bad things. If Open Carrying then that is there for all to see. Some will argue that it will serve as a deterrent, but also will make you the "First Target". if everyone is open Carrying then I believe that is a deterrent. I always like the scene in movie where the THUGS go into a bar to rob it, and the place is full of off duty/plain clothes cops, and everyone draws down on them. (www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GAgIBgOA3M) We all know about the 21ft rule. IMO, an actual need to use situation will be in the 1-10ft range. I was taught to "neutralize the threat", which was the double tap, but became the triple tap. (2 center and 3rd as climbing) If went with a M&P 45 then would have to carry spare mag, could get by with just the mag in weapon if using 9mm or .40. I really think I am leaning towards a full size .40, but then still have a full size gun to try and hide. not big deal in winter time,but little tough in the summer and still wear semi casual/formal clothes. (Meaning have to wear shirt tucked in, no jacket). |
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"If I could only own one M&P it would be my Pro40 with night sights.
WHY? Help me decide." I hate to bring it up because it will piss a lot of people off BUT there are those that are convinced the 9mm M&P is not as reliable as the other calibers in the M&P series. The M&P was first designed as 4.25" 40cal pistol. Some might make the assumption that the original design should be the most reliable. There has been quite a bit of discussion about this over at TOS. One highly respected individual made the comment that if he had to carry a 40cal or 45cal service pistol he would carry an M&P, but if he had to carry a 9mm service pistol he would carry a Glock. Personally I don't know. I haven't fired an equal number of rounds through all my pistols so I'm unable to make any scientific conclusions. |
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"If I could only own one M&P it would be my Pro40 with night sights. WHY? Help me decide." I hate to bring it up because it will piss a lot of people off BUT there are those that are convinced the 9mm M&P is not as reliable as the other calibers in the M&P series. The M&P was first designed as 4.25" 40cal pistol. Some might make the assumption that the original design should be the most reliable. There has been quite a bit of discussion about this over at TOS. One highly respected individual made the comment that if he had to carry a 40cal or 45cal service pistol he would carry an M&P, but if he had to carry a 9mm service pistol he would carry a Glock. Personally I don't know. I haven't fired an equal number of rounds through all my pistols so I'm unable to make any scientific conclusions. I don't understand the thought process that says the 9mm is the most unreliable. Pistol Training.net ran a M&P9 though a 33 week test- http://pistol-training.com/archives/category/range-reports/mp-monday 62,333 rounds
2 stoppages, 0 malfunctions, 3 parts breakages The gun was sent back because the slide developed a crack at the notch for the slide lock, but it did keep going. S&W wanted it to come back. |
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Yea..if you can put 60,000+ rounds thru a pistol in 33 weeks and that's all the damage you get...and two stoppages were basically intentionally trying to get it not to go into battery with limp wristed shooting....I call that a reliable platform.
I know pistols and rifles are two separate worlds...but when I put 5,000 rounds thru my AR-15 I put in a new bolt carrier group...replace the spring in my gas piston system...recoil springs...hell...I do a complete work up. I plan on doing the same for my M&P pistols. There seems to be this ideology and habit of pistol shooters to not clean their weapons after a range session. People go a long time before they clean...strip...inspect their weapon systems. I've heard people complain about their M&P's rusting on the barrel and I ask myself when the last time they stripped, cleaned, and inspected their weapon? Some of these people won't put an expensive carbon cutlery knife in a dishwasher for fear of rust but they'll slap a home defense pistol into a leather holster and let it sit in a high humidity environment...or god forbid a duty weapon in a leather holster and not clean...inspect...oil the thing for 6 months at a time. sorry /rant |
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Quoted:I really am more interested in: 1) which M&P you choose, compact vs full size vs Pro Series M&P9 4.25" w/thumb safety. I've primarily dealt only with my 1911's for the past couple years and wanted something with the same manual of arms. 2) which caliber selection( why) after model selection 9mm. I'm not going to go from a 45 to a plastic fantastic and not get the most out of the available capacity. I had an XD40 Tactical for 6 years and wasn't going to make the .40 S&W mistake again. The .357 Sig interests me even less, so I didn't care about being able to buy other barrels to run in the gun. As far as not being chambered in the caliber the pistol was designed for, I'm not worried. Glock screwed up by simply drilling a bigger hole in the barrel of their 9mm guns. S&W did it right by building it strong for the .40, then chambering it for the 9mm. That's not a bad thing, in my opinion. 3) why the M&P vs some other make, model, etc... I have a Gen 2 G17. It's a great pistol and is awfully reliable, but those Austrians obviously don't have a German translation for "ergonomics". The M&P is simply awesome in the hand and points almost as naturally as my 1911's do. Just about the only other pistols I'd like to get (other than more 1911's, and more M&P's) is an HK P30. That's also one hell of a pistol. Mags are over $45, so I'm in no hurry  Hope this helps! |
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I hate to bring it up because it will piss a lot of people off BUT there are those that are convinced the 9mm M&P is not as reliable as the other calibers in the M&P series. The 9mm versions of the M&P are succeptible to problems with ammunition that has a small rim/shallow extractor groove like WWB. The 9mm guns still use the same extractors as the .40 guns and that leads to problems with extraction on ammunition that pushes the 9mm spec. Even at that, I own 4 9mm M&P's at the moment and I've fired over 20,000 rounds of WWB through them. I've experienced a grand total of 4 failures to extract, all with WWB. Never so much as a hiccup with any other type of ammunition. There has been quite a bit of discussion about this over at TOS. One highly respected individual made the comment that if he had to carry a 40cal or 45cal service pistol he would carry an M&P, but if he had to carry a 9mm service pistol he would carry a Glock. DocGKR has observed that the 9mm Glock in general tends to be about as reliable as any mass produced handgun can be. It's also a bit easier to work on than the M&P. In other calibers the Glocks aren't as stellar and so the other benefits they bring to the table aren't really a factor. If you were to lay out 10,000 Glock 17's and 10,000 9mm M&P's, the odds are you'd see more problems from the M&P's than the Glocks...but exactly how many more? That's the key question. If it was 1 more problem then it would still be more, but that wouldn't be a terribly large edge in terms of reliability. In that kind of experiment based on what I've seen you wouldn't see a great difference in the reliability between the two piles. |
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After borrowing a 9Pro, I bought a 9c with thumb safeties to carry. Bought from Jetguns.com (located at Buds) for $426 during the $50 rebate period ($376). I had been carrying a .40 STI so this was a welcome change. So much lighter to carry. I use a Milt Sparks Watch 6 for a G32 and it fits perfect.
I'm a 1911/2011 shooter but the M&P is a very very good choice for me. Glocks don't fit my hands. I've owned, and sold a 19, 23, 22, 34 and 35. I like the thumb safety. I consider it's use optional as the gun already has many safeties, the thumb safety merely blocks the sear from pivoting down. Since I take my gun off twice a day I like that option. I'll run the finger extension mag unless I'm spending a lot of time in the car. My back up mag is the flush fit mag so I can swap them back and forth as needed. Mags are cheap too. I think Jetguns sells them for $26 with extension. The 9pro I use has a crisp 2.25# trigger so you can certainly get a good trigger out the M&P. My CCW is at 4#. I left it nearly stock, just moved the break point back to shorten the reset. I use 124 and 115gr Gold dots and even for a compact it's very pleasant to shoot. S&W is now shipping new M&P's with the updated extractor too. |
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I had to skip the last few posts, so forgive me if I say something someone else already has.
I recently traded for an M&P45 full size on a whim. I had never really thought about owning an M&P but I did like them and (travis haley nutswinger comment ahead) noted that both Travis and Chris use M&P's in the Magpul videos. So not having to put any money towards one sounded better than buying it to try it. I absolutely love it. The lack of recoil really surprised me. I have pretty small hands and this is the first full size I've found that really fits the bill for me. I'm going to throw some skater tape on it and consider stippling it just to make it personal. Out of the box I'm very happy with the M&P's and I would not consider any other semi-automatic Smith and Wesson. I started with and still have a Sig P226 in .40. I prefer .40 over 9mm. I don't think there is a huge difference between 9mm/.40, but I still lean towards the .40 because bigger is better in my opinion. I feel (like most) that shot placement and ammo selection are the most important things to consider, but throwing a slightly bigger round at the bad guy can't hurt either right? If its SHTF 9mm/.45 all the way. But I like the .40/.45 on my waist idea. If I'm going to the range, I don't mind spending less on ammo so I could shoot 9mm all day compared to the price of .40 for a couple hours or .45 for a half hour .
I just ordered an M&P40c for CCW. I was one day away from ordering the M&P9c over the .40 solely for the price of ammo. I'm not concerned about the 12 rounds/10 rounds difference. After getting that .45 and having the .40, I needed something cheaper because I was going to be training with it the most. I found out the .40 can be used with 9mm with a barrel swap and 9mm magazines (.357 also with just another barrel). So I figured: 1.) Why not go with the caliber I already have the most self defense ammo to start with anyway 2.) I can train with cheaper ammo and still apply the same exact weapon when I carry. The MTAC holster is a win/win for me, seeing how I just buy a new kydex shell for whatever I decide I want to carry. Good luck. |
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One thing I haven't noticed in this thread so far....it's much easier to safely reload for a M&P .40 over a 9mm with a wider range of powders....and reloading for the .45 is even better. Sorry, could you explain that a little more? I have reloaded a lot more .40 than 9mm, but I have always just used the same powders, different charges of course. Are you saying there is something about the M&P 40 that makes reloading safer than for the M&P9? |
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No...there is nothing different about the M&P than any other brand for reloading. However, dealing with a smaller case volume the 9mm is more finicky about how it reloads. Just a tenth of a grain extra of powder can sometimes raise pressures a lot more than expected. Bullet seating depth can get tricky with certain bullets. I personally don't think 9mm would be a good starting caliber for someone to learn reloading on. I'd go with a .45 where you have a lot of extra room inside the case and more room for error.
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Yea..if you can put 60,000+ rounds thru a pistol in 33 weeks and that's all the damage you get...and two stoppages were basically intentionally trying to get it not to go into battery with limp wristed shooting....I call that a reliable platform. I know pistols and rifles are two separate worlds...but when I put 5,000 rounds thru my AR-15 I put in a new bolt carrier group...replace the spring in my gas piston system...recoil springs...hell...I do a complete work up. I plan on doing the same for my M&P pistols. There seems to be this ideology and habit of pistol shooters to not clean their weapons after a range session. People go a long time before they clean...strip...inspect their weapon systems. I've heard people complain about their M&P's rusting on the barrel and I ask myself when the last time they stripped, cleaned, and inspected their weapon? Some of these people won't put an expensive carbon cutlery knife in a dishwasher for fear of rust but they'll slap a home defense pistol into a leather holster and let it sit in a high humidity environment...or god forbid a duty weapon in a leather holster and not clean...inspect...oil the thing for 6 months at a time. sorry /rant Huh ?!? Why ... ? |
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Yea..if you can put 60,000+ rounds thru a pistol in 33 weeks and that's all the damage you get...and two stoppages were basically intentionally trying to get it not to go into battery with limp wristed shooting....I call that a reliable platform. I know pistols and rifles are two separate worlds...but when I put 5,000 rounds thru my AR-15 I put in a new bolt carrier group...replace the spring in my gas piston system...recoil springs...hell...I do a complete work up. I plan on doing the same for my M&P pistols. There seems to be this ideology and habit of pistol shooters to not clean their weapons after a range session. People go a long time before they clean...strip...inspect their weapon systems. I've heard people complain about their M&P's rusting on the barrel and I ask myself when the last time they stripped, cleaned, and inspected their weapon? Some of these people won't put an expensive carbon cutlery knife in a dishwasher for fear of rust but they'll slap a home defense pistol into a leather holster and let it sit in a high humidity environment...or god forbid a duty weapon in a leather holster and not clean...inspect...oil the thing for 6 months at a time. sorry /rant Huh ?!? Why ... ?  If its a working gun and you replace the bolt....I get that....but the whole BCG?
Can I have your old used worn to shit 5k carriers? |
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Hell, I just started reloading and I started with 9mm for my brand-new Pro Series. No problems so far, but I had the help of a friend that I trust who's been reloading as long as I've been alive.
Despite small case volume, the 9mm isn't as high-pressure as the .40 and the guns have thicker chamber walls too. 45 ACP has lotsa room but that also means lotsa room to double-charge and many .45 pistols are not built very strong because regular .45 ACP loads are pretty soft... YMMV |
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"If go with .40, then carrying same amount of ammo as a .45, so why not just carry the .45?" The magazine capacity of the 45 is ten rounds. The magazine capacity of the 40 is 15 rounds. If I could only own one M&P it would be my Pro40 with night sights. If I could only own one M&P it would be my Pro40 with night sights. WHY? Help me decide. One reason could be the fact that the Pro comes with the Performance Center sear, which originally was the basis for a lot of peoples love affair with the M&P9 PRO because it had a better trigger (or had the potential to have a better trigger) than the regular M&Ps. But with the parts available from Apex Tactical...unless you just want the longer barrel/slide/sight radius of the Pro, any M&P "fullsize" you get should be sufficient for what you're after. And while it's ok to have it come with night sights straight out of the box, having the ability to run 10-8, Heine, Warren, Bowie/AmeriGlo's etc makes me just want to get the standard sights, and save the $150+ upgrade it usually costs and get what I want. Personally, I went with the M&P40. Having the ability to go with 3 calibers is more novelty than anything else, but is still fun lol. While I wouldn't have a problem carrying a 9mm in a self-defense application, I feel .40 is the minimum "I" want for a duty gun, simply because when you factor in all the barrier penetration it's the one that offers the best "all around" performance IMO, while still offering good round count (without moving to another weapon platform). |
| I'm considering an M&P 40, a big change for me, since I swore off non-9mm pistols 30 years ago. (Why buy different ammo if I don't have to, was my thinking then...) What made me consider a 40...? First, a peek at the local Bass Pro yesterday showed no 9mm loadings - zero, none, naught - but the shelves were stuffed with 40s of every brand. I have a 9mm and supplies for it, but it would be nice to be able to get ammo when there are runs on the 9mm stuff. Second, with a 40, you can buy and run either a 9mm or a 357 Sig barrel and run them with those loadings, but you run a 40 if you buy a 9. Third, I understand that with an M&P the 40 recoil seems a little lower than with other 40s, so if you're going to buy one, this is the one to buy. FWIW. |
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I would like to thank everyone for their very informative replies. The personal experience and knowledge sharing is extremely appreciated. So after listening to everyone, weighing all the options, I believe that I have made my decision to get a Fullsize M&P40. I was really considering the M&P Pro series, but after reading the other posts/threads and articles on Apex upgrades, different sight options, etc... Looks like I will just stick with the regular Fullsize M&P40. There were several reasons for my decision, that was influenced by everyone here. Examples are: 1) Ergonomics 2) Ability to buy different caliber barrels, and have 3 pistols in one. 3) Reliability 4) Over all simplicity of design for repair/replacement parts. 5) Value..... $ to $ for comparable quality I will admit that I have been very hesitant about this decision. I have always used the below: 1911 (Started in Military, and will never give up my Kimber(yeah I know, but mine is great)) Beretta 92F (M9) for 20+ years (Both LEO and Military) Big Bulky, but has always been dependable SW5946 Was my duty issued weapon. I still miss this gun. going have to get another one. I had been considering getting a Glock, just didn't feel right in my hands. I may still. Again, Thanks to everyone. Dog1 your numerous posts in the other threads has been great, never condescending even when previously answered by someone else or elsewhere. You simply provided the facts to assist. Thanks. So hopefully I will have my new M&P 40 from S&W by next month. (a replacement for a returned weapon that I am sure is headed to the melter). Their Customer service has been great. (if have issues, ask for Paul G.) Now I have to spend $$$$ for a new setup, holster,mag pouches, extra mags, 9mm barrel. Looks like I will be getting that 5 gal. bucket of 1000rd reloads for $150 to blast away. |
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So, my M&P40FS arrived on 1 March 2011, with a production date of 14 Feb 2011. Shipped with 2 mags, and the 3 "extra mags" negotiated with S&W are still on back order. Was only able to shoot about 20-30rds today, and I like this think. It came with the Medium grip installed, and I did swap it out for the Large grip. Just felt better, seemed like I had more control. Does anyone make a "Hogue" slip on fingergroove grip for the M&P? Will have to look into getting a conversion barrel, and some 9mm mags for cheaper range time. |
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Congrats on getting it in.
If you want more mags, here is the place to get them- http://www.shopdunns.com/products/1495/smith_wesson_15rd_m_p_40_magazine/ Best price I have seen. I just got some 9mm mags from them today. |
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Congrats on getting it in. If you want more mags, here is the place to get them- http://www.shopdunns.com/products/1495/smith_wesson_15rd_m_p_40_magazine/ Best price I have seen. I just got some 9mm mags from them today. Thanks, Been watching the mag thread, almost made the purchase earlier today. But with the 2 that came with it, and the 3 extras they are giving me and the 2 used ones I picked up a little while ago. I think I am ok for now. Deciding on which holster I want. MTAC for the holster. I cannot believe that I did not buy one until now. |
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Congrats on getting it in. SNIP SNIP Deciding on which holster I want. MTAC for the holster. I cannot believe that I did not buy one until now. Any where have better pricing vs anywhere else? I would say Ebay. The guy I got mine from, sold them for $50..they were "seconds" from Comp=Tac, had the wrong thread color. But now he's upped the price to $70..+ 7 shipping. Once from Comp-Tac is $80, although they charge more for shipping. http://cgi.ebay.com/Comp-tac-MTAC-Concealment-Holster-S-W-M-P-4-25-bbl-/260738864694?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cb53f5636 |