Posted: 10/26/2008 2:13:01 PM EDT
| EXTRACTOR on your 220? WHat do you prefer & why? |
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People new to SIG will automatically prefer the External extractor. The internal extractor was good for 20+ years and never has the P220 been considered to be a picky weapon. Only RECENTLY has this issue come to light, and it seems that everyone is jumping to the external bandwagon. Honestly, it really doesn't matter. Go shoot a P220, if it has problems, change ammo, try new mags and move on. |
| I had a Sig 220 Carry Elite that had to go back to Sig to get some extractor problems fixed. I ended up getting rid of it. It had the internal extractor. I would like to try another carry in the future but I would not have felt comfortable carrying that particular gun. |
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ALL of the short barreled Sig P220 are notorious for short stroking, including the Carry Elite. That one inch shorter barrel, stainless milled slide (With or w/o internal extractor) and different spring geometry is no bueno. The only time I have seen the shorty P220 versions work reliably is with HOT ammo and a death grip/locked wrist.
Sometimes you have to leave well enough alone...Sig has not. When you are at the top, you can only go down, apparently. Mid/late German,'90s P220s' were the apex of the P220 design. |
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ALL of the short barreled Sig P220 are notorious for short stroking, including the Carry Elite. That one inch shorter barrel, stainless milled slide (With or w/o internal extractor) and different spring geometry is no bueno. The only time I have seen the shorty P220 versions work reliably is with HOT ammo and a death grip/locked wrist. Sometimes you have to leave well enough alone...Sig has not. When you are at the top, you can only go down, apparently. Mid/late German,'90s P220s' were the apex of the P220 design. That is not my experience with the two 220 Carrys that I have owned. I had a 220 Carry with the DAK trigger which I sold when I got a DA/SA version. Neither has had any malfunctions in the 300 to 400 rounds total I put through the two guns. The DA/SA is now one of the primary guns in my carry rotation. Do you have any evidence of this problem with shorter 220's? I'd love to see any documented problems as I am aware of an agency considering adoption of the 220 Carry. Thanks! later AJ |
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ALL of the short barreled Sig P220 are notorious for short stroking, including the Carry Elite. That one inch shorter barrel, stainless milled slide (With or w/o internal extractor) and different spring geometry is no bueno. The only time I have seen the shorty P220 versions work reliably is with HOT ammo and a death grip/locked wrist. Sometimes you have to leave well enough alone...Sig has not. When you are at the top, you can only go down, apparently. Mid/late German,'90s P220s' were the apex of the P220 design. My P245 would disagree with you.. |
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Your right guys, ALL and notorious was a poor choice of words. As far as documentation, I do not know of any.
(Removing foot from mouth...) 
My anecdotal experience: I have only observed three of the shorty SIG .45s shoot more than 300 rounds. All three of them were problematic with standard Winchester Q4170 ball as well as American Eagle/Federal ball. Plus P ammo seems to eliminate 98% of the problem, but if the shooter neglects to maintain crush grip and wrist lock=malfunction. I am sure the bugs have been worked out by now. And I do like the concept, aesthetic and feel of the shorties. |
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I am on my 2nd 220, this time a 220 Carry with internal extractor. 1200 rounds later, including 400+ Fed HST JHP, 50 Golden Saber and 50 Gold Dots 230, it has been flawless. I also have a customized Colt Combat Commander, but the 220 Carry even
"feels" smoother" when I cycle the gun. Even when I commit the altimate sin of easing the slide forward on the first round in the mag, it goes right down the pipe. |
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The internal extractor is simpler; the extractor is its own spring. IMHO simpler is always better in any mechanical device. I prefer the one piece internal extractor over the 3 parts of the external extractor.
ETA: Though admittedly, I have never had any extractor issues, internal or external, with any of my Sigs. |
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I'm batting .500 on internal extractor P220's. I had a P220 ST CPO that refused more than half the rounds. Even after finally brute-forcing 200 rounds trying to break it in, it still FTF frequently. I ditched the ST to fund an Elite. The Elite has been flawless.
ETA: Also own a P226 - flawless. Had a P228 - flawless. |
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ALL of the short barreled Sig P220 are notorious for short stroking, including the Carry Elite. That one inch shorter barrel, stainless milled slide (With or w/o internal extractor) and different spring geometry is no bueno. The only time I have seen the shorty P220 versions work reliably is with HOT ammo and a death grip/locked wrist. Sometimes you have to leave well enough alone...Sig has not. When you are at the top, you can only go down, apparently. Mid/late German,'90s P220s' were the apex of the P220 design. My P245 would disagree with you.. So would my 245.. |
| Both my Sig Sauer P220 pistols have internal extractors. Never ever had any problems with FTF/FTE or the slide not locking back after the last round even after hundreds of rounds through them. I'm sure other owners had problems and I am not discounting their pistol issues. I just hope that the new external extractors will appease past, present and future owners of Sig Sauer pistols. I really enjoy my Sig Sauer pistols. |
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Your right guys, ALL and notorious was a poor choice of words. As far as documentation, I do not know of any. (Removing foot from mouth...)
My anecdotal experience: I have only observed three of the shorty SIG .45s shoot more than 300 rounds. All three of them were problematic with standard Winchester Q4170 ball as well as American Eagle/Federal ball. Plus P ammo seems to eliminate 98% of the problem, but if the shooter neglects to maintain crush grip and wrist lock=malfunction. I am sure the bugs have been worked out by now. And I do like the concept, aesthetic and feel of the shorties. Did not not intend to offend P245 owners. Again, I am sure they worked out any kinks by now, and my experience was an anomaly. |
