Posted: 8/1/2004 5:26:33 AM EDT
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My father in law just sent me a Lenny Mgill video by this name. He either has one or is getting one. A Glock I mean. Anyway,...the test left me laughing out load, because the gun did really crappy overall. Lot's & lot's of malfunctions in all but the 2 easy test, freezin, & drive over. I'd be willing to bet he ticked Glock off with his video. The only thing it didn't do was K-boom, which I almost figured it would with as bad as it did overall. I didn't like his in the mud test because all's it really was, was a wet sand test, & it had already failed the barried in sand test. So have any of you tried the test on a 1911, or other favorite pistol model? The test were: 1) freezing in a block od ice for 10 days, but then thaw it out, & see if it shoots. I would have figured 99% of all guns should pass that. 2) Trough it up in the air & let it hit with a blank severl times to see if it goes off. 3) Bury it in sand & wate a couple of minutes. 4) Shoot it under water. 5) Bury it in watery sand, & wate a couple of minutes. 6) Degrease it till totaly dry & try to fire it. After each test he tried to fire & then tried to get it up & running with as little cleaning as it took to do the job, but the sand was a true stopper. Once it was delubed it was worthless as well. I always heard the 1911 is so well loved by servicemen because of it's ability to function well after being dragged through mud & crud. The only 1911 I have is a Kimber CDP II, & I will not abuse it in such a maner to "test" it out. I do wonder though how a 1911 would have done in a side by side test with the brand new Glock 15. Have any of you tried any of these test? if so, what resaults did you get? |
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I have a Lenny Magill video somewhere.... "Mastering the AR15". Good, entertaining video. I don't know what his background is, but he seems to know his stuff. I don't think he's some kind of god mind you, just like all these other yeah who's out there pimping training vid's. I think the proof is in personal instruction of their worth, no? Re: the tests he did with the glock. I'm not gonna comment on it, because I haven't seen the video. I will admit I am biased towards Glocks, I carried a 19 when I was a LEO, and even went to Glock Armorer's course. But one thing is certain: try that stuff with your Kimber, and you'll end up with the same results he got with the tupperware. That reputation you site, for the 1911, is based on a mil-spec pistol with mil-spec tolerances. Remember the continuim(sp?) RELIABILITY------------------------------------------------ACCURACY The closer you get to one, the farther away you get from the other. That is not to say Kimber doesn't make fine "working" ie. LEO type guns, but my experience with them is they are pretty tight parts fit wise, which is what you need for an accurate pistol. I am curious how that MEU pistol is put together and is working out. My guess it is looser than most commercial kimbers. Has to be to function reliably in desert and other climates with lots of debris that will enter the weapon. What specific video did you get? I may order it to see for myself. 
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There have been several test conducted like this one using Glocks, Sigs, H&Ks, Rugers and 1911s and they all performed about the same. Funny how a guy like Lenny only tested one handgun  Ask Chuck Taylor about his G17 long term test, 187,000+ rounds and counting. Better yet, ask Steve from ADCO about his G21 and the hell he's put it through 
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Glock Torture Test. He really should have tested a 1911, & maybe a Sig side by side with the Glock though. 
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I had gotten a chance to preview at least a dozen of his movies on various topics. While I like the fact that he produces videos with pro-gun content for the general masses, I find his videos so-so. In one of his pistol videos he does a shooting comparision between ball ammo and hollowpoint ammo by shooting at pieces of meat. While it was fun to watch, scientific it wasn't. He also did a CQB video for the AR and he definitely caused a chuckle. He was promoting a type of point shooting with the AR. When he then demostrated this type shooting he was missing the targets.  His videos are decent, but far from outstanding IMO. |
Now, I haven't seen the video yer talkin about, but... How can shooting 2 different types of bullets into meat not be scientific??? I would think that it would, indeed, be the foundation of a scientific study. 
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You have to watch the video to understand what I'm talking about. 
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Larry Vickers did a test similar to this and the Glock didn't fare as well as a milspec 1911. I read the test that you are talking about, and they deducted points from the Ruger because they tossed it out of a moving truck, and a grip panel broke. THe gun still fared better than most of the other ones in function and accuracy after all the tests, but it was ranked lower because of a grip panel. WTF? 
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I dont put much stock in torture tests... I carry a G19 and I have fired hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of rounds through it... WTF difference does it make to me if I can freeze it in artic covered with polar bear shit ??? Or drop it out of a commercial jet at 30,000 feet? I mean... Who actually does this kind of stuff with their 500-800 + dollar weapons? SO WTF difference does it make if My G19 or my 1911 or my XD can do this kinds of stuff? Reliable under NORMAL use is what makes a differece to me... So can my glock or my 1911 or my XD withstand 100,000 rounds worth of range use over the next 10 years and be just fine with proper maintenance (just as any quality firearm should)? Yes. Can I throw it into an ocean, let a whale swallow it and crap it back out and shoot it under water? I dont care. these videos may be amusing, but honestly I think they are a waste of time and money. JMHO and .02 worth. |
Ok whos brining the MEAT to the BRD? 
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