[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Good OWB holster for classes? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 7/6/2010 9:37:22 AM EDT
Looking a doing a pistol class sometime in the near future and would like the hives opinion on a G19 OWB holster. Preferably made of kydex and fast on the draw. What are you guys using? Pictures are always helpful
EDIT: Ordered a Comp Tac strait drop paddle OWB today. The MTAC I own for IWB has been good so based off the suggestions it looks like the OWB one will be good to go too. 
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i really like my serpa holster as does my g/f that's what we use and they're not too expensive
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Looking a doing a pistol class sometime in the near future and would like the hives opinion on a G19 OWB holster. Preferably made of kydex and fast on the draw. What are you guys using? Pictures are always helpful Fobus GL2 Paddle 
The serpa is good too, but not everyone likes the retention. If you do plan to use a serpa, then be sure to use it for the class. I don't suggest alternating between them. |
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I like the Safariland 6378 / 6377 holsters. Here:http://safariland.com/DutyGear/product.aspx?pid=6378
Optics Planet has them on sale for $30 with free shipping. I ordered one in FDE for my G21SF. I already have one in OD for my G19. Also have a black one that fits my G19 w/ the TLR-1 on it. |
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Some info here: http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/defensive-carry-holsters-carry-options/85693-no-serpa-holsters-allowed.html
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Ive hard that the serpas arent allowed in some classes for some reason. Anyone care to clarify? |
Glock Sport and Combat Holster Ambidextrous
and Glock Magazine Pouch 
Simply outstanding at appx. $13 and $10 each respectively. |
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You want a fast OWB holster? Try the slide holster from Comp-Tac it will also fit a G17 or 34 sized Glock. I use one in competition.
+1 for the Glock brand mag holders, they are outstanding. However, if you're going for speed look at the ones Comp-Tac makes. The Serpa holster will slow your draw down, but it won't make you shoot yourself unless you're incompetent in the first place. (btw, you should really take the class with the holster you plan on carrying with) |
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Some info here: http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/defensive-carry-holsters-carry-options/85693-no-serpa-holsters-allowed.html Quoted:
Ive hard that the serpas arent allowed in some classes for some reason. Anyone care to clarify? basically they are just blaming the holster for poor training.  if you train to index properly, your finger will automatically hit the button during the draw without you even thinking about it. the people that have NDs with serpas would probably have them regardless due to poor training on how to draw a weapon.
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Glock Sport and Combat Holster Ambidextrous http://media.midwayusa.com/ProductImages/Large/594181.jpg and Glock Magazine Pouch http://media.midwayusa.com/ProductImages/Large/452794.jpg Simply outstanding at appx. $13 and $10 each respectively. +1, surprisingly good OWB especially for the price |
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No holster is perfect. Look at what military units and LEOs use: Safariland 6004 (best retention), SERPAs. Comptac is really good, too––no retention but strong as balls.
Fobus, and all the lower level holsters break when you roll around on them, yank on them, etc. They're fine for range use, but they don't really hold up to the more intense treatment––like racking your slide off them repeatedly. You get what you pay for––but on the other hand, if you're never going to use something hard, it might not be worth paying for the extra durability. Only downside on Serpas is it's really hard to draw non-preferred hand and deactivate the retention. That and the fact that in theory, they can be jammed with dirt. But they're cheap-ish and available everywhere. I'd say Serpa or Comptac, if you can get the comptac in time. |
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Safariland 567 is a good all around range/carry holster that won't break the bank.
Currently on clearance and 1/2 price at OMB police supply. http://www.ombexpress.com/p_LG530%20LH%2092F.aspx and free shipping Kydex is fine for competition or duty but I don't like it for CCW. |
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The Serpa is junk and banned by many schools.
Get a Comp-Tac. Comp-Tac It'll show up at your door step in less than a week. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Ive hard that the serpas arent allowed in some classes for some reason. Anyone care to clarify? Cuz they freaking suck ass...  Acttually because there have been a number of documented ADs with the stupid retention system. Indeed, they do suck ass.................... Thus begins page 2, with a bit of truth. |
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Looking a doing a pistol class sometime in the near future and would like the hives opinion on a G19 OWB holster. Preferably made of kydex and fast on the draw. What are you guys using? Pictures are always helpful Where? Oh, and in response to the holster question, Comp-Tac, Raven, or Blade-Tech. |
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Looking a doing a pistol class sometime in the near future and would like the hives opinion on a G19 OWB holster. Preferably made of kydex and fast on the draw. What are you guys using? Pictures are always helpful Where? Oh, and in response to the holster question, Comp-Tac, Raven, or Blade-Tech. This. |
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Ive hard that the serpas arent allowed in some classes for some reason. Anyone care to clarify? i heard this too, so i looked into it. i was told that there have been several accidental discharges(AD) when drawing from the holster using SERPAs. it was determined that because the retention device requires you to extend your finger down along the side of the pistol and trigger guard area that the chances of an AD are higher when drawing the pistol from this type of holster. how ludicrous is that? i'm serious, who the hell came up with that line of reasoning? my guess is, these ADs were casued by inexperienced shooters (inexperienced at shooting in general or inexperienced with the SERPA holster) drawing the pistol and allowing their trigger finger to slip inside the trigger guard during the draw stroke. maybe these shooters who had the ADs should be coached on firearm safety. i think it was just by chance that they happened to be using a SERPA holster because this could have happened with ANY holster! |
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The Serpa holster will slow your draw down, but it won't make you shoot yourself unless you're incompetent in the first place. i disagree with the first part, but definitely agree with the second part. you really think the SERPA retention will slow your draw down? check out Todd Jarrett using the SERPA holster! practice, practice, practice! |
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The Serpa holster will slow your draw down, but it won't make you shoot yourself unless you're incompetent in the first place. i disagree with the first part, but definitely agree with the second part. you really think the SERPA retention will slow your draw down? check out Todd Jarrett using the SERPA holster! practice, practice, practice! Todd is definitely the man, but I've put myself on a shot-timer and I'm slower with that holster than with a similar holster that doesn't have the lock. I competed in IDPA with the Serpa for years, so it's not a training (practice) issue for me. |
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Todd is definitely the man, but I've put myself on a shot-timer and I'm slower with that holster than with a similar holster that doesn't have the lock. I competed in IDPA with the Serpa for years, so it's not a training (practice) issue for me. well then... YMMV! 
naturally, any retention device will slow you down a bit, but consider the trade off. for me, and for many other people, the SERPA will not slow you down enough to make any really difference, unless of course we're talking about serious competition. in this case, no retention device is ideal. the OP wants a good, quality holster for a pistol class and i think the SERPA would be a great choice. |
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Ive hard that the serpas arent allowed in some classes for some reason. Anyone care to clarify? i heard this too, so i looked into it. i was told that there have been several accidental discharges(AD) when drawing from the holster using SERPAs. it was determined that because the retention device requires you to extend your finger down along the side of the pistol and trigger guard area that the chances of an AD are higher when drawing the pistol from this type of holster. how ludicrous is that? i'm serious, who the hell came up with that line of reasoning? my guess is, these ADs were casued by inexperienced shooters (inexperienced at shooting in general or inexperienced with the SERPA holster) drawing the pistol and allowing their trigger finger to slip inside the trigger guard during the draw stroke. maybe these shooters who had the ADs should be coached on firearm safety. i think it was just by chance that they happened to be using a SERPA holster because this could have happened with ANY holster! I would have thought that it'd be pretty hard for your finger to even enter the trigger guard. At least with my finger, it follows the groove and stays about a half an inch above the bottom of the slide. But now you've got me paranoid about these AD's. Does anyone have any hard proof or information in these coming purely from the locking device? |
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Ive hard that the serpas arent allowed in some classes for some reason. Anyone care to clarify? i heard this too, so i looked into it. i was told that there have been several accidental discharges(AD) when drawing from the holster using SERPAs. it was determined that because the retention device requires you to extend your finger down along the side of the pistol and trigger guard area that the chances of an AD are higher when drawing the pistol from this type of holster. how ludicrous is that? i'm serious, who the hell came up with that line of reasoning? my guess is, these ADs were casued by inexperienced shooters (inexperienced at shooting in general or inexperienced with the SERPA holster) drawing the pistol and allowing their trigger finger to slip inside the trigger guard during the draw stroke. maybe these shooters who had the ADs should be coached on firearm safety. i think it was just by chance that they happened to be using a SERPA holster because this could have happened with ANY holster! I would have thought that it'd be pretty hard for your finger to even enter the trigger guard. At least with my finger, it follows the groove and stays about a half an inch above the bottom of the slide. But now you've got me paranoid about these AD's. Does anyone have any hard proof or information in these coming purely from the locking device? no, if you index properly your finger will be in that same position anyway. also, I believe that "negligent discharge" is a more accurate term than "accidental discharge" |
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Some info here: http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/defensive-carry-holsters-carry-options/85693-no-serpa-holsters-allowed.html Quoted:
Ive hard that the serpas arent allowed in some classes for some reason. Anyone care to clarify? basically they are just blaming the holster for poor training. if you train to index properly, your finger will automatically hit the button during the draw without you even thinking about it. the people that have NDs with serpas would probably have them regardless due to poor training on how to draw a weapon.Ever worked that POS with an adrenaline rush and bullets getting shot at you? You might hook your finger too, and thats all it takes. I can't believe that the first three replies in this thread have recommended Serpa's and Fobus's 
Spend some coin, get a REAL holster, and look at the offerings from Raven, Comp-Tac, Blade-tech and Safariland. There are other holsters out there that are good as well, but Serpa's, Fobus and I think I even heard uncle mikes....well, make sure you reserve those for plinking days at the range. If you must have some active retention, the ALS system from safariland is INFINITELY better than serpa's. On absolutely every level possible, it is a better thought out system. Not much more coin either. |
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Ive hard that the serpas arent allowed in some classes for some reason. Anyone care to clarify? i heard this too, so i looked into it. i was told that there have been several accidental discharges(AD) when drawing from the holster using SERPAs. it was determined that because the retention device requires you to extend your finger down along the side of the pistol and trigger guard area that the chances of an AD are higher when drawing the pistol from this type of holster. how ludicrous is that? i'm serious, who the hell came up with that line of reasoning? my guess is, these ADs were casued by inexperienced shooters (inexperienced at shooting in general or inexperienced with the SERPA holster) drawing the pistol and allowing their trigger finger to slip inside the trigger guard during the draw stroke. maybe these shooters who had the ADs should be coached on firearm safety. i think it was just by chance that they happened to be using a SERPA holster because this could have happened with ANY holster! I would have thought that it'd be pretty hard for your finger to even enter the trigger guard. At least with my finger, it follows the groove and stays about a half an inch above the bottom of the slide. But now you've got me paranoid about these AD's. Does anyone have any hard proof or information in these coming purely from the locking device? Hook your finger inward, press hard, and draw the gun while maintaining the type of pressure you think might be possible when your heart is maxing out and you're thinking that you might have a half second left on the earth. Everyone I know that has given this test an honest, un-biased approach has managed to get their finger in the trigger guard atleast half the time during a simulated high-stress draw. Training is a great tool. We all love to train as we fight, put lots of rounds down range, etc. But until you have been shot at and understand how your body reacts under stress, you can't sit here and tell me you'll keep your finger perfectly straight during a draw. Any holster that requires you to press inward toward the gun during your draw in an area that is anywhere near the trigger is an accident waiting to happen, and apparantly it already has, more than once. Whether you believe the issue is training or equipment related...you can't argue with the fact that it has happened, and you cannot tell me that the people involved did it due to a lack of training. Not to mention the whole issue of grime locking your gun in the holster. I've personally witnessed that one more than once. |
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Hook your finger inward, press hard, and draw the gun while maintaining the type of pressure you think might be possible when your heart is maxing out and you're thinking that you might have a half second left on the earth. Everyone I know that has given this test an honest, un-biased approach has managed to get their finger in the trigger guard atleast half the time during a simulated high-stress draw. Training is a great tool. We all love to train as we fight, put lots of rounds down range, etc. But until you have been shot at and understand how your body reacts under stress, you can't sit here and tell me you'll keep your finger perfectly straight during a draw. Any holster that requires you to press inward toward the gun during your draw in an area that is anywhere near the trigger is an accident waiting to happen, and apparantly it already has, more than once. Whether you believe the issue is training or equipment related...you can't argue with the fact that it has happened, and you cannot tell me that the people involved did it due to a lack of training. Not to mention the whole issue of grime locking your gun in the holster. I've personally witnessed that one more than once. i don't know why i'm wasting my time, but here we go: take ANY other holster and hook your finger inward, press hard, and draw the gun in much the same way as you described above, then get back to me with the results. (i don't believe ANY holster currently on the market is designed to be drawn with your trigger finger "hooked," including the SERPA!) your argument is severely flawed. i'm not saying the SERPA is perfect. i'm not saying that everyone should buy a SERPA. i never claimed that SERPA was the best or others were just simply a POS. i'm more educated than that. i really like them, i use/train with them constantly, and i feel that they ARE good holsters. this is a bit silly, but grime locking the retention device? did someone allow wet cement to dry in their holster again? i hate when that happens! i guess you can't fix stupid! |
| the OP said he wants a good holster for general use and classes, NOT as his duty rig as i seriously doubt that he'll get the feeling that he's taking his last breath when attending a shooting course, even if the serpa was guilty of causing you to ND which i still dissagree with |
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The Serpa is junk and banned by many schools. Get a Comp-Tac. Comp-Tac It'll show up at your door step in less than a week. I would agree with this |
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I don't understand the Serpa hate. I think its a good holster, and the retention release puts your trigger finger exactly where it is supposed to be, which is good for training purposes. I don't open carry very often at all but I use a Serpa when I do.
The NDs "caused" by the Serpa are a result of improper training, not the holster. I wouldn't take a class where they told me they weren't allowed to carry the holster I would be carrying outside of the class Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Hook your finger inward, press hard, and draw the gun while maintaining the type of pressure you think might be possible when your heart is maxing out and you're thinking that you might have a half second left on the earth. Everyone I know that has given this test an honest, un-biased approach has managed to get their finger in the trigger guard atleast half the time during a simulated high-stress draw. Training is a great tool. We all love to train as we fight, put lots of rounds down range, etc. But until you have been shot at and understand how your body reacts under stress, you can't sit here and tell me you'll keep your finger perfectly straight during a draw. Any holster that requires you to press inward toward the gun during your draw in an area that is anywhere near the trigger is an accident waiting to happen, and apparantly it already has, more than once. Whether you believe the issue is training or equipment related...you can't argue with the fact that it has happened, and you cannot tell me that the people involved did it due to a lack of training. Not to mention the whole issue of grime locking your gun in the holster. I've personally witnessed that one more than once. i don't know why i'm wasting my time, but here we go: take ANY other holster and hook your finger inward, press hard, and draw the gun in much the same way as you described above, then get back to me with the results. (i don't believe ANY holster currently on the market is designed to be drawn with your trigger finger "hooked," including the SERPA!) your argument is severely flawed. i'm not saying the SERPA is perfect. i'm not saying that everyone should buy a SERPA. i never claimed that SERPA was the best or others were just simply a POS. i'm more educated than that. i really like them, i use/train with them constantly, and i feel that they ARE good holsters. this is a bit silly, but grime locking the retention device? did someone allow wet cement to dry in their holster again? i hate when that happens! i guess you can't fix stupid! So you've drawn from your serpa while taking fire? The point is, the serpa is the only holster out there that makes you put any inward pressure on the holster during the draw, with your trigger finger. If you fumble a bit for it while your body alarm is going nuts, you're going to be putting a hell of a lot more tension on that release mechanism.
Maybe you're a former CAG operator thats been in more firefights than I've ever thought about, but I'm going to guess you're like 99% of people here and you've never taken fire. When your adrenaline starts going, can you tell me with 100% certainty that you won't put a hell of a lot more pressure on that button than you do when you "train", and possibly slightly hook your finger? Its not nearly as difficult to do as you think. Whats you're body going to do when you fumble for the button, or pull upward without getting a clean release of the gun? You're gonna be digging for that button with your trigger finger like your life depended on it. And you mean to tell me you don't think there is any possibilty of you slightly curving your finger and using the tip of it when this happens? While its certainly not designed for it, its obviously happened as that is the cause of the ND's that have happened with those holsters. Again, I'm not sure what you're trying to refute here. It has happened, and based on the concept of the holster, it will probably happen again. Will it happen to you? Who knows, and I doubt you'll ever get shot at to see how your body will react. Training issue or not, the bottom line is the nature of the holster promotes a potentially dangerous situation...snd again, there are much much better designs out there. Again, if you need retention, there are better, faster, safer options out there. The Safariland ALS is just that. Serpa's also go down from getting dirty. Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it isn't possible. Again, I'm not sure why you even bothered trying to refute this...as IT HAS HAPPENED. I've seen it myself, and there are plenty of instances posted that indicate the same issue. its amazing what a pebble can do when it finds its way into that release mechanism. |
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The Serpa is junk and banned by many schools. Get a Comp-Tac. Comp-Tac It'll show up at your door step in less than a week. I would agree with this As would I. Great holsters and the delivery time is consistently the best among the guys that build to order (ie: raven, blade tech, etc) |
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The Serpa is junk and banned by many schools. Get a Comp-Tac. Comp-Tac It'll show up at your door step in less than a week. Another vote for the Comp-Tac paddle holster. |
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I just ordered a Safariland 5188 today for $25.00 for my G34 from Optics Planet. Might not work for everyones needs, but this thread got me looking at all options, and this one will work for my needs. Range, classes, IDPA, CCW under a shirt/jacket, etc..
http://www.opticsplanet.net/safariland-5188-paddle-holster-for-pistols-stx-plain-black-right-hand-5188-683-411.html Seems it would also fit the OP's requirments for G19 as well. Lastly, I can afford to get another more "retention" styled model in the future if I want/need to, as $25.00 is very reasonable and I will use this one. Thanks for all the banter! |
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...the bottom line is the nature of the holster promotes a potentially dangerous situation...snd again, there are much much better designs out there. Again, if you need retention, there are better, faster, safer options out there. The Safariland ALS is just that. motorcycles "promote a potentially dangerous situation," but that doesn't stop me and millions of other people from commuting on 2 wheels. "there are much much better designs out there," like a 10 ton armored truck as a means for transportation. extreme comparison, i know, but you get where i'm going. maybe i'm comparing apples to oranges, but hey, let's face it they're both fruit! listen, you are completely missing the point, so go back, read my previous post again... this time read it slowly. |