Posted: 5/14/2004 9:23:20 PM EDT
| which one is more accurate? I heard glock is less kick than H&K, is that true? |
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What caliber....what model? They are both "combat" handguns. Not really designed to be same-hole shooters, but they both do the job of hitting what you're after. And not to be rude here, but most people can't shoot as well as their gun is able to. The majority of the arguing about "crisp" triggers and "accuracy" that I hear over gun shop counters is done by people who don't really shoot. Glock and HK make good weapons. I would not tell anyone to buy an HK with a de-cocker, however. Both of those guns are meant to be used to zipper a badguy from close range in a self-defense situation...not Olympic or benchrest shooting. |
I second this... both are quality combat weapons... the effectiveness of the weapon depends on the effectiveness of the shooter... more people want to TALK about shooting, and spend a far less amount of time on the range doing any serious practice... as far as recoil goes, it depends on what you are comparing to what... if youre overly worried about the recoil on say a USP .45 or a G21, then maybe a smaller cal would work better for you. But since the key to surviving a gunfight is shot placement, get what you can shoot accuratly and practice, practice, practice. A shooting instructor once told me "your average gangster, thief, home invader is usually unpracticed, undisiplined, and keeps his weapon in horrible condition, the problem is its usually the same with your average law abiding gun toting citizen". Something smaller like a 9mm will have easier recoil in just about any pistol you get. Not to mention the ammo is about 1/3 the price of .45 ammo. Especially in bulk. Glock and HK are both excellent quality. I own both. I have owned them for years and either will serve you well. Take care of your weapon, and your weapon will take care of you. |
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You really need to shoot both to find out which works best for you. I own a G19 and a USP9c and I prefer the Glock. For some reason, I am more accurate with the Glock. That's not to say the Glock is more accurate it just means that I shoot the Glock better. The trick is finding the one that suits you because both are incredably durable and accurate handguns. As far as recoil goes, the USP does have a higher bore axis and that makes it seem like it has more recoil however, recoil on a 9mm is minimal so it really doesn't amount to much. Try and shoot both before you make a purchase. |
Ding, ding, ding! Exactly. I had a personal "shoot-out" back in '96 for a carry pistol in .40. I shot pretty much everything available at the time. The G23 won, followed closely by the USP40C. Yeah, you need to take price, reputation, and accessories (etc.) into consideration, but the most important thing (for me, anyway) is feel. Accuracy is going to vary with technique and ammo, and even between two guns of the same model. Recoil is also going to vary with ammo and technique and is very subjective anyway. Remember, your pistol is only part of a weapons system. The other part is YOU, so you need to find out what fits you best. As for the "Glock vs. Hk" debate, it's a waste of oxygen. Both are professional-grade and both can serve you well. |
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I've owned a full size HK in .40 for ten years now. It's a great point and shoot defense weapon. Definitely very accurate for what it is. Recoil very managable. I own a G27 which has become my primary carry gun due to its smaller size. I first decided to buy the Glock after I rented one at my local range. I was absolutely astounded by the accuracy I was getting from it's 3" barrel - and this was a range beater! Recoil is also managable. Like everyone else has already mentioned, practice = proficiency. Managing recoil I think has alot to do with becoming used to how it feels. Which fortunately translates into more trigger time!  So get out there and practice.HK's and Glocks rock! 
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Amen. You really have to work on your fundamentals because the pistol's so small and the sight-radius is shorter, but you're dead on. The 27 is amazingly accurate for its size. Three times now I've hit the X in a B27at 15M, first shot of the day. I love the looks on my shooting buddies faces when I do that with the baby Glock. I just laugh and say, "Ok, I'm done. Who's next?"  I've read a little about it and it has something to do with torsional rigidity. Supposed to work the same way for the 30, as well. |
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Currently I own an HK P7M8 and a Glock 26. I agree with most of the replys and am glad to see no bashing. Both guns are reliable. The P7 is amazingly constructed, but you pay for that. Currently I'm eying an HK P2000 in .40s&w. I don't think you can go wrong with any of them. Buy what you shoot best and what is most comfortable to you. Don't forget, as nice as the P7 is, you can buy 2 Glock 26's for the same price and about 1000 rounds of ammo to go with em. Enjoy..... |
I am prefectly happy with my Glocks, but if I thought I could shoot an HK better and was intending to carry it I'd spend the extra $ 200. |
Amen to that, and... well, it aint me, anyway. Mission specific? I have my choices: Protection Detail? HK P7-M13 vs. HK USP Compact .45 Concealed Carry? Glock 30 vs HK M7-PSP Tactical? HK USP .45 Full Size with a www.CCFA.com O-ring barrel and Vortex suppressor Fun and Games? Glock 17L or an oddball factory one-off proto Glock 21 that has more holes and releif cuts than a wheel of swiss cheese along with an intergal muzzle brake on a one piece extended barrel. Neither combat reliable, but a hoot-to-shoot! The answer? Shoot them all, think carefuly about the hand fit... how the gun feels. Have a real expert look at it and examine how you and the gun fit each other! Buy it right and if it doesn't work, you can always resell it. Doc @ M&A Parts |
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i'm a longtime glock owner who has recently acquired two USPs; a fullsize & a compact. both in 9mm. i had a hard time adjusting to the trigger on the USPs. don't get me wrong the triggers aren't bad they're just different. i was just accustomed to the constant pull of the glocks. i agree that neither brand is superior to the other. so shoot both and decide what works for you. if resale value factors in for you then h&k is the way to go. |
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P7M8 Wins hands down all across the board... Now the USP or P2000??? Hmm, I may go with the Glock over those! Sorry, the P7 has the fixed barrel, I just dont think there is much more accurate in its size nor is anything safer.... (G-d forbid your gun is taken from you most crooks cant shoot the P7) VERY pricey, hard to find a good holster but its worth it! It lasts forever! (so does a glock, not the USP or P2000) So... You want the best piece to carry for yourself and to impress your friends get the P7 BUT dont plan on shooting more than 4 mags in 30 min or it gets too damn hot. You want something that will last as well and will cost about 40% less get the Glock it is still a great piece! FYI I am a big HK fan so its hard to preach so highly about the Glock but its true. Please let us know. It will be hard to shoot at P7 but if you mail me I will send you to a message board when you can find a local who will most likely meet you at a range to let you see his and shoot a few (P7 fans take great pride in them and love to show them) most ranges dont rent a P7 due to their price and limited supply |
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I'm interested in buying an HK P7M8 or M13 as a primary CCW or as a BUG on duty in the future. A few guys mentioned that it will last longer than the USP or P2000. I have a like new USP. And a Glock 26, the 26 seems dirtier and harder to clean. And I can't see the 26 outlasting my USP. Why aren't the P7's more well-known? |
| Well, to add another dimension, the P7 series guns do absolutely nothing for me. I have had three...one older P7, a P7M8 and a P7M13...nothing special as far as I was concerned. They are OK I guess, but I really prefer the Glocks to either them or the USPs...of which I own two in .45. For me, none of the USPs will do anything my Glocks will not do better...and for much less money. (I keep them only because I train guys who use them) Still the quality is there with the H&K stuff, so only you can decide which YOU prefer. JMO |
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Let me start off with telling you why H&K USP is good, they are well made, well engineered Handguns. For a combat handgun they are very accurate. They work right out of the box no need to fiddle with anything. They also have a very nice looking finnish. FOr a Black Gun they are attractive. Now I will tell you why the Glock is Superior IMHO #1 Glock has lower wrist to bore axis which translates into much less muzzle flip, this means you can put more rounds on target faster and more accurately. Most handgun shootings arent settled with one round. #2 Glock pistols are completely Kiss Simple and one of the easiest Pistols to feild strip that there is. I can brake a Glock down completely and put it back together with my left hand in the time it takes me to take down a 1911 with my right hand (I'm a righty) (and no I dont hang upside down blind folded taking my pistols apart and putting them back together under a stop watch but I do think ease of take down is important with a deffensive handgun) #3 Glock Finish is tougher than USP It will with stand much more abuse than a USP will with out showing the signs. #4 Most Glocks are as accurate or close enough as an H&K at 200 bucks less #5 Glock does not have a unnecesarrily large trigger gaurd which interfers with some shooting Grips #6 Glock Fire Control sytem is idiot proof aim and fire #7 Glock dont say H&K on the side  One of the main Draw backs to Glocks the new generation is the fact they have built in finger grooves and the rails on the frame could be more substantial not that I have had a problem with mine or seen a problem with them This is no a bash HK post they are great pistols this is just my opnion on why Glock is a better choice. Now you need to form your own opnion BUY TWO OF EACH and decide then |
i'd say you should not underestimate your enemy. |
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I had the opportunity to train w/ the P7M13 for a week and at first I wasn't quite fond of the squeeze cocker but that gun is badass. The fixed barrel makes that pistol, the only gripe I have is that it is all steel and gets pretty damn hot after alot of shooting (basic police qual course). I have owned the USP Compact 9 which I ultimatley bought for carry use and I didnt care for the external safety. HK has real nice pistols but I prefer the Glock b/c of price, simplicity and they feel right in my hand and thats about it. If I could drop 1300 dollars on a pistol I sure would pick up a P7 just to have fun w/ on the range. Both are fine pistols and I have owned both but right now Glock gets my vote. |