Posted: 10/25/2009 4:48:57 PM EDT
| I fired a Glock 23 today, for the first time. It was chambered in .40 S&W. I had thought about buying a Glock, but now I am sure that I wont. The gun consistently failed to lock the slide in the empty position after firing the last round in the magazine. The accuracy wasn't anything special, but i wont comment on that because I dont expect much after having very little practice, but I was disappointed. I expected a lot more than inconsistency. |
Well sounds like you gave it a fair shake  , the last round lock open would be either a mag related problem or bad slide stop spring etc.. not a big deal either way. The acurracy you said your self was probably you and I tend to agree, any how Glock's aren't for everyone but I am perfectly satisfied with my G23 and it's more accurate than I am.
*Guy above is probably right also more than likely just your grip. |
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So one trip to the range and you have an issue that could be related to the owner not maintaining his pistol, old worn out parts, or because of user error. Can you honestly sit here and say you did not have an agenda to begin with? I have 10 Glocks and yes I have had issues with them which most were either my fault or due to my large amount of shooting and parts just wearing out. I have had my Glocks fail to lock back after emptying the mag but I have mags that have over 5000 rounds though them but I do not carry with those.
I think you need to open your mind and try again because if that is the issue with you not liking the Glock then I hate to tell you that every pistol on the market at one time or another will do that will you not like those to???? Good luck out there finding a pistol that never has an issue because even my 1911's will have this issue with a older or bad mag. |
| It is possible that it is an older, worn out mag. I put about 100 rounds through it, and reloaded the mag several times. Sometimes it would lock back, sometimes it wouldnt. My grip didnt change in any way that would affect the slide release. Could it have been the gun? Sure, but it most likely wasnt me. I fired a Beretta 96, and a Springfield XD and neither had any problems stemming from me. Its not comfortable for me in any case, but the fact is that it wasnt a great experience. And I can assure you that it was not an error related to the owner or the guns maintenance. If you knew the owner you would agree. |
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I fired a Glock 23 today, for the first time. It was chambered in .40 S&W. I had thought about buying a Glock, but now I am sure that I wont. The gun consistently failed to lock the slide in the empty position after firing the last round in the magazine. The accuracy wasn't anything special, but i wont comment on that because I dont expect much after having very little practice, but I was disappointed. I expected a lot more than inconsistency. Just out of curiosity are you a regular in the Glock forum who's opinion of Glocks we should respect or some miserable fuck trying to stir the pot? |
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I fired a Glock 23 today, for the first time. It was chambered in .40 S&W. I had thought about buying a Glock, but now I am sure that I wont. The gun consistently failed to lock the slide in the empty position after firing the last round in the magazine. The accuracy wasn't anything special, but i wont comment on that because I dont expect much after having very little practice, but I was disappointed. I expected a lot more than inconsistency. Just out of curiosity are you a regular in the Glock forum who's opinion of Glocks we should respect or some miserable fuck trying to stir the pot? relax guys, some ppl love glock, some dont. He had issues and it tainted his image of the glock. dont attack me now... i like glocks and recently bought one. justin if you dont like the glock try a Springfield XD might be a better fit for you. good luck finding a pistol for you |
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I was really hoping that instead of being defensive pricks, some of you could offer a little insight into the problem. Who would have known fanboys could be this way!?!?!??!
Anyway, I had a bad experience with one Glock. I will probably still buy one at some point, I was just hoping for a little more consistency, and I wondered if it was a common problem that all Glock owners deal with, or an isolated incident. |
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Was it a range gun? Could be number of issues. Technique (i.e. thumb position), mag springs, broken return spring that is part of the slide stop/release.
My issued G23 had a broken spring, and failed to lock on an empty mag. Our armour swapped it out. There was also an issue with mags, so Glock swapped out ALL of our springs for new XX number of coils. |
| You answered the issue yourself when you said your friend did not maintain his shit. I told you I had normal issues with mine nothing that was a failure on the Glock part but either me or normal wear and tear from usage. But when you come into a Glock forum and just let loose with nothing to back up your claim except a 1 pistol sample that is like having sex with a dirty hooker for your first time having sex and saying that was nasty and not what I expected I am never doing that again. |
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I never said he didnt maintain his handgun. What are you talking about?
I said if anyone knows how to maintain a handgun, it would be the owner of the 23 in question. I fired about 100 rounds through the 23, and have fired other glocks in the past without problems. I understand that you think I am just exploiting an isolated incident (which this may be, I will readily admit that) but I fired two other handguns in the same day, using the same grip and the same technique and had no problems. Instead of trying to discredit me I would hope someone would have something helpful to say like what to look out for and why something like this would happen. It could have been my thumb. I certainly didnt apply pressure to the left side of the handgun but maybe I was bumping the mag catch. I will go back and try again because thats a helpful response, thank you. Im not just trying to bash glocks, actually probably the opposite. |
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I never said he didnt maintain his handgun. What are you talking about? I said if anyone knows how to maintain a handgun, it would be the owner of the 23 in question. I fired about 100 rounds through the 23, and have fired other glocks in the past without problems. I understand that you think I am just exploiting an isolated incident (which this may be, I will readily admit that) but I fired two other handguns in the same day, using the same grip and the same technique and had no problems. Instead of trying to discredit me I would hope someone would have something helpful to say like what to look out for and why something like this would happen. It could have been my thumb. I certainly didnt apply pressure to the left side of the handgun but maybe I was bumping the mag catch. I will go back and try again because thats a helpful response, thank you. Im not just trying to bash glocks, actually probably the opposite. Your biggest problem is the lack of information you provided in your original post. It really came off like the hundreds of trolls we get in here talking smack about the Glock. If you post "it wasn't accurate, I didn't like it" you pretty much open yourself up to criticism. Can you give us more info to work with? We'd be glad to help but it's hard to diagnose a problem without any info. Where were your shots landing? Where they in a consistent place (i.e. low and left) or just all over the place? Ammo used? Your skill level? Distance you were shooting from? Was the gun you were shooting modded in any way? We'd be glad to help, but if you come in, say "it sucked" and that"s it, you're going to get smacked around. |
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I fired a Glock 23 today, for the first time. It was chambered in .40 S&W. I had thought about buying a Glock, but now I am sure that I wont. The gun consistently failed to lock the slide in the empty position after firing the last round in the magazine. The accuracy wasn't anything special, but i wont comment on that because I dont expect much after having very little practice, but I was disappointed. I expected a lot more than inconsistency. Just out of curiosity are you a regular in the Glock forum who's opinion of Glocks we should respect or some miserable fuck trying to stir the pot? relax guys, some ppl love glock, some dont. He had issues and it tainted his image of the glock. dont attack me now... i like glocks and recently bought one. justin if you dont like the glock try a Springfield XD might be a better fit for you. good luck finding a pistol for you I was being funny too. Not too serious although it does seem odd to come on the Glock forum just to knock Glocks. I would think you would knock them on other forums? Either way you reacted to my post admireably. Thank you. |
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The other handgun I was firing that day was an XD. Nice gun, but not really my thing.
The 23 was shooting left for sure. I dont have this problem with my other handguns so it struck me as a little odd. I am definitely not bashing glocks in any way, but I was dissapointed. After all the good things I have heard about Glocks, the 23 and 19 in particular I just expected a little more consistency. It wasnt something that happened everytime, but when it did it was a little bit of a letdown to expect to fire again, only to get a "click" and realize the slide didnt lock back. I didnt intend to really start something, and the 100 rounds or so that I fired really arent enough for me to do a serious diagnosis on the problem. Just mostly wondering if this wasnt an isolated incident. |
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The other handgun I was firing that day was an XD. Nice gun, but not really my thing. The 23 was shooting left for sure. I dont have this problem with my other handguns so it struck me as a little odd. I am definitely not bashing glocks in any way, but I was dissapointed. After all the good things I have heard about Glocks, the 23 and 19 in particular I just expected a little more consistency. It wasnt something that happened everytime, but when it did it was a little bit of a letdown to expect to fire again, only to get a "click" and realize the slide didnt lock back. I didnt intend to really start something, and the 100 rounds or so that I fired really arent enough for me to do a serious diagnosis on the problem. Just mostly wondering if this wasnt an isolated incident. Slide not locking back is likely a mag issue. Shots to the left are common with new-to-Glock shooters. People tend to put way too much finger on the trigger and pull the shot left. Also, milking the shot will do it (that is, your lower fingers move in concert with your trigger finger). If it's low & left you are jerking the trigger, not smoothly pressing it. Sorry man, but the issue is you, not the equipment. |
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I purchased a Glock 23 last year and it shoots great. I've always been a Sig man, I have a Sig 229 in 40 S&W and a 226 in 9mm.
The Glock was a impluse buy just because the price was right and I wanted another pistol. It's function is flawless and the accuracy is superb, its accuracy is as good as my Sigs, even though I'm partial to my Sig 229 as it is my duty weapon. |
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I own a G23 and have never had problems with it except for when it was my failing to properly seat the mag. From your description it sounds likely a mag spring/follower issue failing to catch the slide lock. Does your friend have that problem when he shoots? If not then it may be a grip issue (watch the thumb on a two-hand Weaver hold). The accuracy thing I find being one of my problems when I'm not practicing good technique. When I'm performing as needed the gun is very accurate. I definitely have had days when I'm pulling the shot one way or the other. Pistols in general are difficult, I think, to shoot accurately and require a lot of dry-fire practice. I say dry-fire because it's helpful to train on technique without anticipating the 'bang' and then flinch, which throws accuracy all to heck. Gotta watch the flinch demon. Happy shooting! |
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Justin: Question asked on Glock dependability.
Answer: FBI 1997 tests. 3 Glock Model 22s and 3 Glock Model 23s, all new. 6 obviously .40S&W pistols. Federal 165JHSHP at about 950fps. FedLite .40 Each pistol was fired in a multi shooter test. Each was fired a total of 20,000 rounds. 120,000 rounds total fired through 6 guns. Result: 2 (two) malfunctions in 120,000 rounds. i.e., 1 malfunction per 60,000 rounds. Upon those results I will bet my ass any day. Real world: I put 10,000 plus rounds of 9mm and way more than 10,000 rounds of .22LR using an AA converter through a M17 before it started failing to eject range pickup brass reloads. It never, not once, even then failed to operate perfectly with FACTORY ammo. I replaced all the little parts in the slide anyhow as cheaper than sending it for service. 100% again. There is your answer. Addendum: Slide not locking back: Your right thumb on slide catch. Or really weak ass ammo. Shooting left: Your yank on the trigger or if you can shoot the rear sight needs moved a smidge to the right. |
| Like a couple guys said, people new to glocks migh shoot to the left due to too much finger, in my case it was to the right since I am a lefty. It is just a matter of putting a few rounds through and evaluating your trigger pull. The triggers in newer pistols also tend to be tight which can amplify the finger positioning problem. |
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I previously owned a Glock 23 for well over 1000 rounds (not a lot by some of your standards) and had 0 failures of any kind. I traded it off on another AR a while back (I'm a gun whore, it takes a hell of a gun to make me keep it more than 6 months) and I will own another.
Sounds to me like a mag issue because although they may not be as pretty as a 1911, it's damn hard to find one that won't sit in a bucket of mud outside for two months and still fire perfectly. |
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You answered the issue yourself when you said your friend did not maintain his shit. I told you I had normal issues with mine nothing that was a failure on the Glock part but either me or normal wear and tear from usage. But when you come into a Glock forum and just let loose with nothing to back up your claim except a 1 pistol sample that is like having sex with a dirty hooker for your first time having sex and saying that was nasty and not what I expected I am never doing that again. I don't have dog in this fight but there are a lot of pricks in this fourm which this guy seems to be king I didn't know you were not allowed to dislike a glock !! |
| like you i wasnt happy with the first time i shot a glock 23 but the one i shot was a23c .all of my friends have one or more .they have never had any issues with theirs & they shoot a couple times a week .they convinced me to by one & i cant be happier .now i would like to get a nother 23 & a 21 sf .they are extremely accurate .i practice alot just by dry firing & made a huge difference when i shot .good luck . me iam hooked on glocks |