Posted: 10/3/2009 4:58:50 PM EDT
| I currently have two Glocks. A Gen 3 23 with 5.5lb trigger and a Gen 2 19 with NY 11 lb trigger. I would like to change both to a 3.5 lb pull. What is the most reliable way to do this? |
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I saw a page where someone tried out a bunch of different spring and connector combos. that test showed a 3.5 lb connector and a 4 lb. striker spring yielding a 3.375 lb pull weight or something along those lines.
http://glockmeister.com/triggers.shtml |
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All you need is a 3.5# connector and a Competition Trigger Spring for a lighter and crisper trigger. Much of the 'slack' (pre-travel and over travel) will be eliminated and you'll love your new trigger. Best of all is that its both cheap (about $20) and so easy you can do it yourself. 3.5# Connector: I've tried Glock, Scherer, and Lone Wolf 3.5# connectors in my Glocks and Lone Wolf's is the best hands down because it gives you the best 'break' with less take up and over travel. The other two connectors left a mushy feel in the trigger. You can get it from Glockparts.com for $15 HERE. Comp Trigger Spring: The Comp Trigger Spring is a higher weight spring (6lbs vs 5lbs) and because the spring works with you pulling the trigger, not against you, the higher spring weight gives you a lighter and crisper pull. Glockparts.com has them for $5 HERE. While you’re at it, give your Glock a 25¢ trigger job by following the instructions HERE. Its really quite simple to do and you’ll be pleased with the results. For instructions on replacing your connector and trigger spring, as well as disassembling your Glock, check out Glockparts Disassembly Page. Just click "Disassembly" on the left of his home page. They give instructions with photos to help you do it. Glocks are simple to work on so give it a try. |
| Thanks. Will the 3.5lb connector alone give me a lighter trigger pull that feels the same a the standard trigger as far as travel and reset? I am looking to do as little tinkering as possible because the G23 is my primary carry and the G19 will, most likely, become my primary carry when I get used to it. |
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Lighter but not as light as the two parts together, and with more takeup, overtravel, and less crisp. If your pistols aren't new, just skip the 25¢ trigger work and install the connector and spring. It takes about 1 minute to switch them after you've disassembled your Glock. |
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I would say for serious defensive purposes, just go with a 3.5 Connector, either a factory or well-known aftermarket type, such as Ghost.
Do not use a lighter Firing Pin Spring to achieve a lighter pull, as it can lead to light primer strikes (misfires). The heavier aftermarket Trigger Spring, as COSteve mentioned, will reduce the trigger pull weight even more. They're reliable, but it's up to you as to whether you want it to be that light for your own defensive purposes. |
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I was thinking of doing the 3.5 and heavier trigger spring on my G30. I decided that the 3.5 was all I needed. I went with the Lone Wolf connector, and it feels great! As long as it feels like the stock one as far as travel, reset and break I'll be happy. All I am looking for is the stock feel just a bit lighter. I'll probably order the 3.5lb connector from LW and Ghost and get a heavier spring too. I'll try them out on my 19 to see what works for me before messing with my 23. |
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Don't fuck around with aftermarket parts on a gun your betting your life on. Get the Glock factory 3.5 connector. I have one in my 17, and it meets your criteria exactly. Here, I will make the purchase easy for you.
Glock Factory Connector Scroll down to the Glock OEM 3.5 connector, click on it, click buy, problem solved. |
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The Glock connector is called a 4.5 pound connector now because it's more accurate than calling it a 3.5# connector. It was never really 3.5#.
I'm wondering how these places are getting them too. Since Glock will only sell them directly to LE agencies that sign a waiver, and to armorers after they get the old one back (and the serial number from the match type gun it was on) to prove it was really from a match gun. Yeah, yeah, someone will say that so and so has it, but I'm going by what I was told by the instructor at the armorers class I attended and what's in the addendum to the manual I have that lists my prices (I'm a certified armorer) where it says the 4.5# connector is only sold to LE agencies. |
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If this is a duty weapon or CCW you dont want to go with OEM 3.5 alone IMO. We went with the G35 for duty carry that come with the 3.5 lbs connector but we threw in the NY1 spring. This is a popular combo with LE agencies carrying the G35. This gives you about a 5 lbs trigger pull with more trigger reset in some guns it is more like 4.8 or 4.9 but close enough. The 4 lbs striker spring is not a good idea for a duty carry. It does not strike the primer as hard and can cause misfire when you need it to go bang. Also Glock OEM parts should be used for duty. all of this is IMO from being one of my departments Glock armorers and firearms instructors. |
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Please note that the firing pin spring fits in the firing pin channel around the firing pin while the trigger spring connects the rear of the trigger bar to the trigger mechanism housing. The comp trigger spring is a heavier weight spring (1lb heavier) that works with the trigger to create less creep and over-travel plus working in conjunction with the lighter weight connector to give a lighter trigger pull. I feel that reducing the trigger pull by installing a lighter firing pin spring will increase the likelihood of a failure to fire because the firing pin strikes the primer with less force. That's why I don't use them on any of my Glocks. |
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Don't fuck around with aftermarket parts on a gun your betting your life on. Get the Glock factory 3.5 connector. I have one in my 17, and it meets your criteria exactly. Here, I will make the purchase easy for you. Glock Factory Connector Scroll down to the Glock OEM 3.5 connector, click on it, click buy, problem solved. For what it's worth, I did this too. |
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CTbuilder1, If this is a duty weapon or CCW you dont want to go with OEM 3.5 alone IMO. We went with the G35 for duty carry that come with the 3.5 lbs connector but we threw in the NY1 spring. This is a popular combo with LE agencies carrying the G35. This gives you about a 5 lbs trigger pull with more trigger reset in some guns it is more like 4.8 or 4.9 but close enough. The 4 lbs striker spring is not a good idea for a duty carry. It does not strike the primer as hard and can cause misfire when you need it to go bang. Also Glock OEM parts should be used for duty. all of this is IMO from being one of my departments Glock armorers and firearms instructors. When you say "more trigger reset" what does that mean exactly? Will I have to let out more before it resets or are you saying it has faster reset? |
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CTbuilder1, If this is a duty weapon or CCW you dont want to go with OEM 3.5 alone IMO. We went with the G35 for duty carry that come with the 3.5 lbs connector but we threw in the NY1 spring. This is a popular combo with LE agencies carrying the G35. This gives you about a 5 lbs trigger pull with more trigger reset in some guns it is more like 4.8 or 4.9 but close enough. The 4 lbs striker spring is not a good idea for a duty carry. It does not strike the primer as hard and can cause misfire when you need it to go bang. Also Glock OEM parts should be used for duty. all of this is IMO from being one of my departments Glock armorers and firearms instructors. When you say "more trigger reset" what does that mean exactly? Will I have to let out more before it resets or are you saying it has faster reset? I think what he means is that with a NY1 Trigger Spring, you get a more pronounced, more noticeable reset. This has been my experience when using NY1 Trigger Springs, whether using the stock 5.5 Connector or the "-" Connector. What color is the NY Trigger Spring in your G19? Olive drab indicates a NY 1 (designed to yield 7.5-8lbs pull w/ stock Connector) and orange indicates a NY 2 (designed to yield 11-12lbs pull w/ stock Connector). Unicorn is right.......................the term "3.5 Connector" we've all been using for years is a misnomer. That Connector when used in conjunction with a standard Trigger Spring does yield a pull in the vicinity of 4.5 lbs. I think I'm going to start calling it the "-" Connector, as it has a little "-" on the side, whereas the stock 5.5 type Connector has nothing, and the 8lb Connector has a "+" on the side. 
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CTbuilder1, If this is a duty weapon or CCW you dont want to go with OEM 3.5 alone IMO. We went with the G35 for duty carry that come with the 3.5 lbs connector but we threw in the NY1 spring. This is a popular combo with LE agencies carrying the G35. This gives you about a 5 lbs trigger pull with more trigger reset in some guns it is more like 4.8 or 4.9 but close enough. The 4 lbs striker spring is not a good idea for a duty carry. It does not strike the primer as hard and can cause misfire when you need it to go bang. Also Glock OEM parts should be used for duty. all of this is IMO from being one of my departments Glock armorers and firearms instructors. When you say "more trigger reset" what does that mean exactly? Will I have to let out more before it resets or are you saying it has faster reset? I think what he means is that with a NY1 Trigger Spring, you get a more pronounced, more noticeable reset. This has been my experience when using NY1 Trigger Springs, whether using the stock 5.5 Connector or the "-" Connector. What color is the NY Trigger Spring in your G19? Olive drab indicates a NY 1 (designed to yield 7.5-8lbs pull w/ stock Connector) and orange indicates a NY 2 (designed to yield 11-12lbs pull w/ stock Connector). Unicorn is right.......................the term "3.5 Connector" we've all been using for years is a misnomer. That Connector when used in conjunction with a standard Trigger Spring does yield a pull in the vicinity of 4.5 lbs. I think I'm going to start calling it the "-" Connector, as it has a little "-" on the side, whereas the stock 5.5 type Connector has nothing, and the 8lb Connector has a "+" on the side. Yes the reset is more pronounced. This is good for faster follow up shot as the trigger has more pressure to force your finger forward. You will probably notice it more with the 3.5 connector than in conjunction with the 5.5 as you wont have a 8 pound trigger pull. |
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OK. I got the factory "-" connector and a few extra springs to have on hand. I ended up going with the "-" connector and the stock spring in my G23. I tried the NY1 spring and "-" connector combo and it wasn't really for me.
I wish I ordered two of the "-" connectors so I could have put one in each gun but I wasn't sure if it would work out or not. The Gen 2 G19 with the NY trigger ended up having a black spring insert with no actual spring. I'm not sure what that means. It looked like the plastic housing that the NY1 olive spring had but with no actual spring in it. I replaced it with a factory 5lb connector and factory spring until I order up another "-" connector. ETA - The trigger pull was exactly what I was looking for. Noticeably lighter with the same stock type feel. Thanks to everyone that contributed. 
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Cool. Sounds like you've found the trigger pull for you! That's one of the great things about the Glock system, it's so easy to reconfigure the trigger pull characteristics and weight acording to your own liking.
That black NY spring you mentioned, that sounds like one of the old ones. It should have a leaf type spring, riding against the inside, if you look closely. Not sure what the weight rating is on those though. But you've switched it out anyway, returning it to stock configuration, till you get a "-" Connector for it. |
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Cool. Sounds like you've found the trigger pull for you! That's one of the great things about the Glock system, it's so easy to reconfigure the trigger pull characteristics and weight acording to your own liking.
That black NY spring you mentioned, that sounds like one of the old ones. It should have a leaf type spring, riding against the inside, if you look closely. Not sure what the weight rating is on those though. But you've switched it out anyway, returning it to stock configuration, till you get a "-" Connector for it. After a second look you are correct. That black plastic insert has a flat spring that follows the contour. I also put the plastic guide rod back into my 23. Right after I bought it I got one of those stainless steel rods for it. I'm not sure why. Probably because like most people who buy something they just can't leave it alone. Now it is back to all factory Glock including the night sights. Does anyone see any benifits in using anything besides the factory guide rod? |
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The Glock connector is called a 4.5 pound connector now because it's more accurate than calling it a 3.5# connector. It was never really 3.5#. I'm wondering how these places are getting them too. Since Glock will only sell them directly to LE agencies that sign a waiver, and to armorers after they get the old one back (and the serial number from the match type gun it was on) to prove it was really from a match gun. Yeah, yeah, someone will say that so and so has it, but I'm going by what I was told by the instructor at the armorers class I attended and what's in the addendum to the manual I have that lists my prices (I'm a certified armorer) where it says the 4.5# connector is only sold to LE agencies. there's your problem |
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The Glock connector is called a 4.5 pound connector now because it's more accurate than calling it a 3.5# connector. It was never really 3.5#. I'm wondering how these places are getting them too. Since Glock will only sell them directly to LE agencies that sign a waiver, and to armorers after they get the old one back (and the serial number from the match type gun it was on) to prove it was really from a match gun. Yeah, yeah, someone will say that so and so has it, but I'm going by what I was told by the instructor at the armorers class I attended and what's in the addendum to the manual I have that lists my prices (I'm a certified armorer) where it says the 4.5# connector is only sold to LE agencies. there's your problem Well excuuuuuse me! For some reason I figured that the Glock instructor (Dennis Tueller in this case) would actually know Glock's policies on what they sell. Silly me for thinking Glock would have it's instructors give out correct information. |
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The Glock connector is called a 4.5 pound connector now because it's more accurate than calling it a 3.5# connector. It was never really 3.5#. I'm wondering how these places are getting them too. Since Glock will only sell them directly to LE agencies that sign a waiver, and to armorers after they get the old one back (and the serial number from the match type gun it was on) to prove it was really from a match gun. Yeah, yeah, someone will say that so and so has it, but I'm going by what I was told by the instructor at the armorers class I attended and what's in the addendum to the manual I have that lists my prices (I'm a certified armorer) where it says the 4.5# connector is only sold to LE agencies. there's your problem Well excuuuuuse me! For some reason I figured that the Glock instructor (Dennis Tueller in this case) would actually know Glock's policies on what they sell. Silly me for thinking Glock would have it's instructors give out correct information. Dennis did my course years ago as well, Nice. Anyway I would like to see if someone could test the pull on the "-" OEM connector. With the NY1 and the OEM "-" connector you are still getting around a 5 lbs pull. The "-" connector was made for the G34 G35 series and the trigger spring might have something to do with the actual lbs on the trigger. The armorers course was teaching it as 3.5 when I went. Now this was several years ago. Did Glock come out with a 4.5 just for LE? that would be interesting. The whole reason the 3.5 and NY1 is popular with LE is for the trigger reset but also most agencies carrying Glock have policies stating a 5.5 lbs trigger pull is required for duty. Our policy stated this as the standard Glock is 5.5. When we wanted to carry the G35 the NY1 had to be installed to get it up to 5 and the trigger reset was a bonus that came with it. |
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No the 4.5 or "-" is the exact same thing they were calling a 3.5 before. They just decided to rename it in the US so it's name would match reality. If you look at the European description, it's always been in kilograms and hasn't changed. If you convert that to pounds it comes to 4.5 ish.
Supposedly Glock just restricts it out of fear from lawsuits from people putting them in their guns and having too light a trigger. Yay lawyers. |