Posted: 9/23/2009 2:35:26 PM EDT
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Would apreciate any help, suggestions, or points of view to help me out with next purchase. thanks guys
I have had my G17 for years and will never sell it, the ammo is reasonable and very common. However i need(want) to get a larger caliber round glock in a subcompact frame for two reasons. One for when i am in states that allow concealed carry and two for when i am backpacking out west. I was originally sold on the 10mm (g29) until i heard people complain about ammo and availability so i was thinking of some type of 45 gap or auto or 357. Bottom line i dont anticipate shooting this new gun alot so cost of ammo is not really a big deal, however it would be nice to be able to buy it when i need it. How do you guys like the slime frame options? Thanks again -dave |
| I have a Glock in all three of the calibers listed. I love my .357 Sig I carry that as my carry on person and in truck (G27w/ 357 barrel carry G32 truck). If you like the way the G21SF fits it is a great 45. My mom took my G37 away because she fell in love with it when I was trying to get her into a compact Glock. She shoots it like a champ and fits her perfect plus she gets a 45 (GAP) out of the deal. You need to go pick up and handle the pistols see which fits you best. The G37 will feel in your hands just like your G17 same frame. The G31,32,33 (357 Sig) will feel like the G17 and the 32 = 19, 33 = 26 will be the compact and subcompact versions. I would personally recommend the G32 if you want a 357 Sig plus if you want to ccw, or carry it in a pack it is perfect size for concealment and just range shooting. The G30SF is also a nice 45 it is concealable and a hand cannon. |
| I have the G30 and I CC it every day that I'm not working, where I carry a G22. I absolutely love my 45. I just got TFO night sights for it and love it even more. I'm reletively small and can conceal it just fine. The 45 is still pretty easy to find and will more than likely be around for a long time. The other calibers are nice too but I have no personal experience with them. Also the G30 is thought by some to be one of the more accurate Glock albiet its "smaller" frame. |
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I do really want the 10, i guess i just wanted to give the 45 a chance as i did notice that the 45 acp 180 gr double tap deffense rounds register some 600 plus ft pounds which is pretty sweet but the local gun shop said the glock 45 MIGHT not cycle the small 180 gr 45acp very well which brings me to shoot a 220 plus grain 45 acp and those balistics do not impress me one bit as i am looking for a backpacking piece as well. The only bad part about the 10 was tonight i visited 2 local gun shops mega sports and gander mountain in plainfield illinois and neither of those stores had a single box of 10mm!!! Now that kinda sucks! i saw thousands of rounds for 9 40 45 44 ect, not necassilry good prices but they had it just no 10.
Thanks again for imput guys |
My next will be a 20. Even thinking about picking up some extra mags before I get the pistol. I have a 21sf and really like the frame size. Just want something with MORE POWER...
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| Ammo availability is not really a problem with all the online retailers. Stock up and you will be good. It sounds like you like to hike, so I'd get the 10 mm. I have both and the 10 mm is currently the gun I chose to carry in my truck and also to take on my hunting trips. |
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I do really want the 10, i guess i just wanted to give the 45 a chance as i did notice that the 45 acp 180 gr double tap deffense rounds register some 600 plus ft pounds which is pretty sweet but the local gun shop said the glock 45 MIGHT not cycle the small 180 gr 45acp very well which brings me to shoot a 220 plus grain 45 acp and those balistics do not impress me one bit as i am looking for a backpacking piece as well. The only bad part about the 10 was tonight i visited 2 local gun shops mega sports and gander mountain in plainfield illinois and neither of those stores had a single box of 10mm!!! Now that kinda sucks! i saw thousands of rounds for 9 40 45 44 ect, not necassilry good prices but they had it just no 10. Thanks again for imput guys the final resting place of a projectial has more to said for than the projectial it self. charts are fun, but it is better to be able to double tap multiple targets quickly. |
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Seems I read a lot of 10mm guys buy after market barrels. If it was me, I would buy a 21 and built a complete 6" lonewolf upper later down the road. Better ballistics from a 6" barrel and longer sight radius. That's my plan anyways. My 21 is in hand, Just awaiting funds and approval from wife unit. eta, just noticed you said sub-compact. You could still go this route with the 30. |
Unless you buy the doubletap, corbon or win silvertips. Or reload. Your going to be dissapointed for the most part in 10mm. My case of canned heat from GA is pushing 165 grn fmj 1250 fps (not bad). But your typical blazer or federal 180-200 grn etc is only moving about 1030 fps. I have a G20 and waiting for my 610  .
Most ammo makers make the 10mm very waterd down, almost to .40S&W specs. The 10mm is built and capable of being anybody or near any animals worst nightmare, but most makers detune it. Something to consider. I also have a G31 (very impressive) G36. nice and compact) Like said earlier, Glock road ends at the 10mm. |
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I have both the 45acp and 10mm and for their job both do very well. That said, shooting full power 10mm in a pistol is a blast (both literally and physically). My recommendation is based upon your likely ammo choices. * If you plan to shoot WWB or similar ammo, get a 45acp. The ammo is cheap and relatively easy to buy. * If you want a 10mm but want to use mostly store bought std power ammo, get a G20 and a Lone Wolf 40s&w conversion barrel. 40s&w ammo is cheaper than 45acp and available everywhere. However If you reload, hands down the 10mm is a better choice because std power 10mm reloads cost the same as a 40s&w to reload after you get the 10mm brass. The bullets are the same as the 40s&w, LP primers are usually the same price as SP, and you can load your 10mm to 40s&w load levels. Excluding the case prices (you have to buy 10mm cases and you can usually find 45acp cases at the range) and assuming you use jacketed bullets in each: * The 10mms are actually cheaper to reload than reloading std 45acp ammo because the bullet weight drives it's price and the 45acp generally is loaded with a heavier bullet. Reloaded 10mm is much cheaper than buying even WWB 45acp ammo. * Reloading std power 10mm at slightly higher than 40s&w charge weights is cheaper than buying 40s&w ammo and you don't need to bother with a conversion barrel which saves you money up front. * Even hot loaded 10mm ammo is just 1¢ more than std 10mm reloads or 40s&w reloads and that's for the extra powder in the charge. |
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finding 10mm ammo hasn't been a problem for me. sure, it's not as readily available as .45 but you don't really need A LOT for defense purposes. I can find plenty of fmj / range ammo at Gander Mtn, Cabelas, Bass Pro but the HPs are a little harder. 2 or 3 full mags should be fine though for backpacking purposes. I'll also add that the ammo, IMO where I'm at, is quite a bit easier to find than 45 gap.
You have a 9mm, with plenty of ammo around and all that. Go for a 10mm (G29 ideally) for it's additional strength, great woods / backpacking gun. You can get a Pearce ext. for the mag and it makes it infinitely more comfortable to hold. In fact, the G29 is a more comfortable carry weapon for me than the XD9 sub compact, even with the Pearce mag extension. Based on what you said, i feel the 10mm is a no question and the G29 is a sweet sweet gun... i friggin love mine. |
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10 mm if you reload. 10mm is not a reloaders only gun by any means... plenty of ammo out there. Cabelas has it in stock, Bass Pro has it in stock, my local Gander Mtn has it in stock, and I'm talking hollow point. There's at least 2k rounds of FMJ at any given time in the little town I buy my stuff at. Prices aren't really that bad either, compared to some other rounds. |
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Unless you buy the doubletap, corbon or win silvertips. Or reload. Your going to be dissapointed for the most part in 10mm. My case of canned heat from GA is pushing 165 grn fmj 1250 fps (not bad). But your typical blazer or federal 180-200 grn etc is only moving about 1030 fps. I have a G20 and waiting for my 610 .
Most ammo makers make the 10mm very waterd down, almost to .40S&W specs. The 10mm is built and capable of being anybody or near any animals worst nightmare, but most makers detune it. Something to consider. I also have a G31 (very impressive) G36. nice and compact) Like said earlier, Glock road ends at the 10mm. Sounds like you are a little behind me. 
My glock 20fs, Smith and Wesson 610, and Colt delta elite. Anyway OP I can sum it up this way. Friend of mine didn't like glocks because of how they felt in his hand. He had looked at them when he bought his first pistol and wrote them off. Then he shot my 20fs. He ended up buying a 29fs a month or 2 later because of how much fun it was to shoot. This was before the sf versions came out. Plan on picking up a 20sf at some point myself. Mind you the 10mm is the only glock I have. If smith and wesson was to make a M&P 10mm I'd be all over it. |
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For close range self defense against 2 leggers, I'd probably opt for the .45. For anything beyond 25 yards, specially if vehicles are involved (most particularly vehicle windshields), or 4 leggers, I'll take the 10mm. Problem with the 10mm is that there are so few bullets that work properly at full 10mm velocity, most are designed for the .40 S&W and either fragment or the petals fold around when driven faster. It's also hard to find a quality self defense load in 10mm. Too many of the big factory 10mm loads are nothing more than .40 S&W with a different name, and the small factory loads are often loaded to the ragged edge of pressure and have an incredible amount of flash and blast. You just can't easily go out and buy the equivalent of the RA45T in 10mm. And that's a damn shame. |
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10mm hands down. You get 500 ft/s more velocity than a .45 ACP (When examining the 180 grain Loading). Recoil is moderate (even with hot loads ~ however, pussies will be pussies and say that its too much recoil. Again...those people have never shot a 10mm and are pussies...), magazine capacity is greater (15 rounds of 10mm or 13 rounds of .45ACP), and it will give you a reason to get into hand-loading.
However, double-tap and buffalo bore make great loadings if you just want to run and gun. I just picked up a Glock 20 and could not have asked for a better handgun. When the SHTF, its my go to gun. When something goes bump in the night, it will be right there in my night-stand. Personally, I think that the 10mm is the most under-rated cartridge ever. Its ballistics are downright frightening and will impress even disciplined members of the older school. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kptr5OOLOHk 
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Expanding upon my reply on the 1st page, Erythropsyche's comment brings up a couple of good points. While some may argue that muzzle energy isn't an accurate indicator of performance, it's hard to argue that the 10mm firing a 180grn bullet with close to 800lb/ft of muzzle energy (ME) isn't a more potent performer than a 230grn 45acp generating only slightly over half that amount of ME. Add to that the 10mm's additional 2 round mag capacity and you have a convincing argument that the 10mm is a better performer. As I shoot both calibers out of my custom 6" barreled Glock, I think my own experience with both calibers is germain. At the range: I find that for just plinking at a close in target I'll use the 45acp version, however, I enjoy longer range pistol shooting as it's more challenging and, when done well, more rewarding. In that arena, the 45acp can't touch the 10mm's performance where I can and do shoot at steel targets at 200yds with my 10mm. As a HD weapon: While it isn't my primary HD weapon because it's a custom design, I leave it configured as a 10mm with loaded mags nearby. It's higher capacity and screaming performance give me more confidence in it's ability to perform the job should I need to call on it. If I also had a stock G20 it would definitely be my primary HD weapon. In the field: There is no contest here as the 10mm with it's superior muzzle energy and higher capacity make it my only field gun. I load it up with some remove the magwell when carrying but continue to use +2 mags giving me a whopping 17+1 capacity of .357mag level power but with three times the on-board ammo of a revolver. While I would go looking for a bear with either a 10mm or a .357mag, I feel comfortable carrying my G20L anywhere in the Rockies. 357mag vs 10mm performance comparison. Using Double Tap's data on their 200grn Hardcast 357mag and 200grn Hardcast 10mm we see the following: 357mag: Bullet - 200gr. Wide Flat Nose Gas Check Hardcast Performance - 1,200fps for a 4" Ruger GP-100 = 639lb/ft ME and 1,315fps from a 6" S&W 686 = 768lb/ft ME 10mm: Bullet - 200gr. Wide Flat Nose Gas Check Hardcast Performance - 1,300fps from a 4.5" bbl G20 = 750lb/ft ME (Note: DT doesn't list performance out of Glock's 6" barrel, however my own chrono results from my 6" KKM barrel show that DT's 200grn hardcast round produces 1,392fps from my 6" bbl G20L = 860lb/ft ME, almost 100lb/ft more ME than the 357mag.) |