Posted: 6/2/2009 5:48:59 AM EDT
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So I was at the fun show this past weekend and a guy has "rare" +P+ 9MM ammo with a big sign "THIS IS NOT PISTOL AMMO!!!" and then in smaller print says that +P+ cannot be fired from a polymer frame......
Is this true or is it just another guy at the gunshow that doesn't know what he's talking about? Thanks for clearing it up. |
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Quoted: Just another gun show hero.... I have shot +p+ 40 smith out of my XD before, and I have shot +P .45 out of both my G21 and my G30. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Nice Try But Bulls@&t! There is no SAAMI spec for it 40s&w +P let alone 40+p+ ammo. A search indicates that there isn't anyone who claims to make it either. Let's see, both the 40s&w and 9mm have a std pressure of 35,000psi per SAAMI. The 9mm +P is listed at 38,500psi and there is no listing for a +P+ but it must be close to 40,000psi (.357 Sig level). Now, the only 40 caliber round made with a SAAMI spec over 35,000psi is one at 37,500psi (lower than the 9mm+P), however, it won't fit in your XD because it's a 10mm! |
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Just another gun show hero.... I have shot +p+ 40 smith out of my XD before, and I have shot +P .45 out of both my G21 and my G30. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Nice Try But Bulls@&t! There is no SAAMI spec for it 40s&w +P let alone 40+p+ ammo. A search indicates that there isn't anyone who claims to make it either. Let's see, both the 40s&w and 9mm have a std pressure of 35,000psi per SAAMI. The 9mm +P is listed at 38,500psi and there is no listing for a +P+ but it must be close to 40,000psi (.357 Sig level). Now, the only 40 caliber round made with a SAAMI spec over 35,000psi is one at 37,500psi (lower than the 9mm+P), however, it won't fit in your XD because it's a 10mm! 
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Just another gun show hero.... I have shot +p+ 40 smith out of my XD before, and I have shot +P .45 out of both my G21 and my G30. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Nice Try But Bulls@&t! There is no SAAMI spec for it 40s&w +P let alone 40+p+ ammo. A search indicates that there isn't anyone who claims to make it either. Let's see, both the 40s&w and 9mm have a std pressure of 35,000psi per SAAMI. The 9mm +P is listed at 38,500psi and there is no listing for a +P+ but it must be close to 40,000psi (.357 Sig level). Now, the only 40 caliber round made with a SAAMI spec over 35,000psi is one at 37,500psi (lower than the 9mm+P), however, it won't fit in your XD because it's a 10mm! +1 |
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Just another gun show hero.... I have shot +p+ 40 smith out of my XD before, and I have shot +P .45 out of both my G21 and my G30. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Nice Try But Bulls@&t! There is no SAAMI spec for it 40s&w +P let alone 40+p+ ammo. A search indicates that there isn't anyone who claims to make it either. Let's see, both the 40s&w and 9mm have a std pressure of 35,000psi per SAAMI. The 9mm +P is listed at 38,500psi and there is no listing for a +P+ but it must be close to 40,000psi (.357 Sig level). Now, the only 40 caliber round made with a SAAMI spec over 35,000psi is one at 37,500psi (lower than the 9mm+P), however, it won't fit in your XD because it's a 10mm! Oh SNAP 
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| its sub-machine gun ammo. it is loaded hotter to properly cycle the actions of an smg. i am sure it would be fine in a modern pistol, but i wouldnt shoot it out of an older pistol because i dont think they were rated to take the newer +p and +p+ pressured ammo. should be fine in your glock |
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Just another gun show hero.... I have shot +p+ 40 smith out of my XD before, and I have shot +P .45 out of both my G21 and my G30. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Nice Try But Bulls@&t! There is no SAAMI spec for it 40s&w +P let alone 40+p+ ammo. A search indicates that there isn't anyone who claims to make it either. Let's see, both the 40s&w and 9mm have a std pressure of 35,000psi per SAAMI. The 9mm +P is listed at 38,500psi and there is no listing for a +P+ but it must be close to 40,000psi (.357 Sig level). Now, the only 40 caliber round made with a SAAMI spec over 35,000psi is one at 37,500psi (lower than the 9mm+P), however, it won't fit in your XD because it's a 10mm! Exactly, ya beat me to it! OP, yes, that is submachinegun ammo, most likely...........and yes, a Glock can handle it with no problem. Alot of "strongly designed" 9mm pistols can handle it, some better than others of course........................wouldn't run the stuff through a Hi-Point, or a little Rorbaugh....................... |
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Just another gun show hero.... I have shot +p+ 40 smith out of my XD before, and I have shot +P .45 out of both my G21 and my G30. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Nice Try But Bulls@&t! There is no SAAMI spec for it 40s&w +P let alone 40+p+ ammo. A search indicates that there isn't anyone who claims to make it either. Let's see, both the 40s&w and 9mm have a std pressure of 35,000psi per SAAMI. The 9mm +P is listed at 38,500psi and there is no listing for a +P+ but it must be close to 40,000psi (.357 Sig level). Now, the only 40 caliber round made with a SAAMI spec over 35,000psi is one at 37,500psi (lower than the 9mm+P), however, it won't fit in your XD because it's a 10mm! OK, Steve. I fully agree that their is no SAMMI spec for +p or +p+ .40SW. I also agree that I would not shoot this ammo, but it is out there. A full 3 sec search turns up this ammo...http://georgia-arms.com/search.aspx?manufacturer=40&log=false&category=3399 "NEW".40 Smith & Wesson 155gr Gold Dot Hollow Point +P 50pk Your Price: $24.00 Quantity: (Actual product is loaded ammunition) "NEW".40 Smith & Wesson 155gr Gold Dot Hollow Point +P+ 1000pk Your Price: $510.00 Quantity: (Actual product is loaded ammunition) Your Google-fu is weak young Padawan.
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| That's their OWN claim, .40+p.......................still no official SAAMI spec. They can call it whatever they want...................I'd love to know what pressure it's loaded too though............I wonder just how much hotter their own 155grn GD round is compared to Speer's. |
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That's their OWN claim, .40+p.......................still no official SAAMI spec. They can call it whatever they want...................I'd love to know what pressure it's loaded too though............I wonder just how much hotter their own 155grn GD round is compared to Speer's. You and I agree, there is no SAMMI spec and they can do what they want. I too would like to know what their pressures are just for fun, but I don't expect to find them. IIRC there is NO SAMMI spec for +P+ 9mm ammo, but no one complains about Winchester and Federal loads calling their ammo +P+. 38500 for +p, but what does Fed load their 9BPLE? Anyhow Steve said no one claimed to be making it and I dug it up. That is all I have to say. Back to the originally scheduled programming. 
FB Oh, back to the OP....I have shot many a Fed 9BPLE 115 +p+ out of my Glocks and Beretta 92. That ammo is most likely sub-gun ammo loaded to higher specs. |
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I misspoke in my post above in that I was talking about the actual performance of the round, not what someone hypes it with a name. If you look at the offer's performance claims, the hottest 40sw rounds offered for a 165grn bullet are in the 1,250fps range. Those rounds are SAAMI spec 35,000psi loadings. Sure they can claim high velocity by using a light bullet but that doesn't make it a +P or +P+. Peak pressure is what the "P" stands for in +P or +P+ and 40sw rounds in the current platforms that are much over 35,000psi are grenades. As one who loads both 40sw and 10mm, I'm telling you that I know that there is nothing made that is a 40sw+P that doesn't have a 10mm on the case head, not withstanding what the manufacturer's claim their products are. The peak pressure of a 40+P round is too high for the current platforms. That's why the 37,500psi 10mm rounds are housed in larger framed weapons. Its not just that the grip is longer front to back but the barrel and slide are wider because of the higher pressures. |
Ok… I guess I owe everyone an apology for trying to “Bulls@&t!” . I made the mistake of shooting bullets that I hadn’t previously done scientific testing and research on. I simply took the info off the box my dad handed me; how crazy is that. Sorry about the mixup
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The point we're making isn't that you are a bulls@$ter, its that the manufacturers are! They make these ridicules claims about their products and then expect us to believe them. One should always remember that in advertising as well as the internet, the information is many times only worth what it cost you. |
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The point we're making isn't that you are a bulls@$ter, its that the manufacturers are! They make these ridicules claims about their products and then expect us to believe them. One should always remember that in advertising as well as the internet, the information is many times only worth what it cost you. Absolutely. I agree with COSteve's assesment.
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If he is talking about the Hirt +P+ stuff then I WOULDN'T shoot this thru many handguns, this stuff was for cold weather and subguns and is really, REALLY hot stuff. I wouldn't shoot this stuff in most 9mm handguns and in a handgun with a unsupported chamber...............forget it.
This stuff was recalled [even tho Milsurp] I believe but there is still some out there. It's not +P+, it's hotter then that. |
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The point we're making isn't that you are a bulls@$ter, its that the manufacturers are! They make these ridicules claims about their products and then expect us to believe them. One should always remember that in advertising as well as the internet, the information is many times only worth what it cost you. Oops  Sorry COSteve if I had read your other post i would have gotten that.  My apologies.
Just as a side note, I didn’t know the science behind it but when I shot the rounds they didn’t seem any different than any other .40 smith I had shot. |
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Quoted: Quoted: The point we're making isn't that you are a bulls@$ter, its that the manufacturers are! They make these ridicules claims about their products and then expect us to believe them. One should always remember that in advertising as well as the internet, the information is many times only worth what it cost you. Oops Sorry COSteve if I had read your other post i would have gotten that. My apologies.Just as a side note, I didn’t know the science behind it but when I shot the rounds they didn’t seem any different than any other .40 smith I had shot. Not to worry, we've all put our foot in our mouth one time or another from not reading posts carefully. Unfortunately, I had the 'taste of shoe leather' on more than one occasion myself. Also, your comment, "...I didn’t know the science behind it but when I shot the rounds they didn’t seem any different than any other .40 smith I had shot." is important to the conversation because it demonstrates that our 'friend' in the ammo business can exaggerate their product's performance and we are left to find out for ourselves. Suffice to say, that his "+P" ammo cost you more than normal 40sw fodder. Sadly, false advertising still is a common occurrence. Shoot safe and remember to have fun. |