Posted: 11/21/2008 9:15:23 AM EDT
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I can not decide which one I want.
The gun will be a carry gun, But will be shot often. What is the pros and cons of either of these? |
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I'll vote stock G19. If you want something ported, get the extended Lone Wolf barrel or something.
Well, since the compensated G19 has ports at the top, you'll have a slightly faster return to target with it. But the gases will make things dirty, so you'll end up accumulating soot in your holsters and so on. Some say firing a compensated pistol at night will throw off your night vision, which might be something to consider if the gun's main purpose is self defense. If you're competing in matches, be aware that the more realistic ones don't allow ported guns, and if they do, you're up against people with $3000 custom jobs. |
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my $0.02:
Go with the G19. my reason for this is that it is statiscally proven that most self defense encounters occur at arms length or less, meaning that your attacker is usually with 2-3 feet of you. given this fact, you will not always have time to fully extend your firing arm to fire a self defense shot. you will usually be holding the gun on your hip or extended out in front of you by only a few inches. with a compensated firearm like the G19C, you will run the risk of burning your clothing or other parts of your body that are close to the escaping gases. you have to decide if that is a risk you want to take. and remember to consider all risk factors because nothing ever happens the way it "should". and nothing ever happens the way you think it will. hope this helps. |
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previous post of mine:
"my advice: if its a "serious" use gun, stick w/ the non-C models for now...get the regular G23/G19 (i would opt for G19 myself, but since he's going into LEO, the .40sw might be a better investment IF thats what they use since he can get the free ammo later and familiarity now) as to the "negatives" of "C" models: muzzle flash and 'night vision" depends on the ammo...some ammo, it will provide enough muzzle flash/blast at night to blind anyone temporarliy, irregardless if its "C" or not that said, generally, the "C" does not blast as much as one would think (esp after seeing those glock magaizne pics/ads). also, just about any ammo that has muzzle flash comming out the muzzle will ruin "night vision" the diff is the ejection: flash/debis/powder, etc is now comming out of the top and muzzle the "Cs" are "louder" in mostly b/c of the porting is now directed more towads the shooter personally, imo, if its for a defensive/duty handgun, i'd leave it std, w/ no comp––so, i'd recommend the regular G19 your GF just needs to get adapted to shooting in general––put more rnds downrange; the G19 as is has very controllable recoil characteristics imo and does not need to be compensated unless its to provide that extra umph during competition runs now, as to arguments for and against "c" models for defensive firearms, i'm more of one of those that are against it arguments include: ––C models have more flash near the muzzle area (due to the upward ports) that can lead to night blindness...well, "it depends" imo, a major factor is AMMO; certain types of ammo/calibers just have more flash (or less flash), and thanks to the ports, that flash is now ejected not only forwards and in a cone at the muzzle, but re-directed upwards in the FOV of the shooter so, if you use a C at night and have no problems, cool ––the ports also redirect 'crap'––mostly particles of powder, debris, hot gasses, etc; well, it the flecks really dont both most folks and doesnt even break skin h/w, in both of the above, imo, its just one more potential factor and area/direaction (esp if you make shots closer to yourself for contact shots) that stuff can get in your eyes or cause excessive muzzle flash––the muzzle imo is a fine place for stuff to come out of (ala: bullets), but having a secondary vent is not my thing––YMMV some other arguments are that C models dump the debris buildup on the front sight; well, for most gunfights, it wont be enough rnds to matter b/c it takes a lot of rnds before the soot buildup is enough to hamper your front sights imo C models loose velocity; well, it does, but not that much (~25FPS-40+/-FPS, depending on the load/bbl length, etc)...not really enough to matter imo there were a couple others, but i dont remember em off the top of my head YMMV ETA: i forgot, the C model for the 9mm and .45acp for me didnt really help an all too much (but the change was noticible), but the one for the .40sw/.357sig does seem to help a little more just my .02cents " |
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I'll vote stock G19. If you want something ported, get the extended Lone Wolf barrel or something. Well, since the compensated G19 has ports at the top, you'll have a slightly faster return to target with it. But the gases will make things dirty, so you'll end up accumulating soot in your holsters and so on. Some say firing a compensated pistol at night will throw off your night vision, which might be something to consider if the gun's main purpose is self defense. If you're competing in matches, be aware that the more realistic ones don't allow ported guns, and if they do, you're up against people with $3000 custom jobs. Also, the gasses and flash coming up tend to distract if not temp blind you (esp at night) just my 2 cents worth... |
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Unless you guys have TESTED or even FIRED a compensated Glock 19, please stop posting internet rumors and couch commando information.
This topic comes up about 2x a week on glocktalk, and is TOTALLY unsubstantial. Flash is LESS than ANY 4" or under revolver's flash and LESS than any subcompact 3" barrel semi-auto. The portings don't hurt you unless you are shooting it straight up in the air and are aiming them directly into your eyes. I'd certainly hope none of you yahoos are shooting like that. 
The ONLY thing that is more pronounced with a 'C" vs a non 'C' model is the dirtier barrel at the ports, and the noise is a bit more pronounced. Unless you polished your barrel you can barely even tell. THAT IS IT. The recoil is noticeably less than the same caliber in a non-ported version. If you can not tell the difference, you have problems with your hands. 
Everyone that has fired a ported glock vs a non-ported and actually CAN shoot guns and shoots more often than once a year, always comments about the less muzzlerise and faster follow-up shots. from experience : 19 - 19c = about 30% less muzzlerise. 23 - 23c = about 40% less muzzlerise. 21 - 21c = about 10% less muzzlerise. 32 - 32c = about 50-60% less muzzlerise. |
| "C" models are outstanding. My 17C has the lowest recoil of any of my numerous 9mms. It does not blind me, throw crap in my face or do anything offensive. There is a difference in recoil and rapid fire capability. In fact, I will be converting my 19 to a 19C when I can find a slide for sale. |
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Unless you guys have TESTED or even FIRED a compensated Glock 19, please stop posting internet rumors and couch commando information. This topic comes up about 2x a week on glocktalk, and is TOTALLY unsubstantial. Flash is LESS than ANY 4" or under revolver's flash and LESS than any subcompact 3" barrel semi-auto. The portings don't hurt you unless you are shooting it straight up in the air and are aiming them directly into your eyes. I'd certainly hope none of you yahoos are shooting like that. 
The ONLY thing that is more pronounced with a 'C" vs a non 'C' model is the dirtier barrel at the ports, and the noise is a bit more pronounced. Unless you polished your barrel you can barely even tell. THAT IS IT. The recoil is noticeably less than the same caliber in a non-ported version. If you can not tell the difference, you have problems with your hands. 
Everyone that has fired a ported glock vs a non-ported and actually CAN shoot guns and shoots more often than once a year, always comments about the less muzzlerise and faster follow-up shots. from experience : 19 - 19c = about 30% less muzzlerise. 23 - 23c = about 40% less muzzlerise. 21 - 21c = about 10% less muzzlerise. 32 - 32c = about 50-60% less muzzlerise. You beat me to the punch. Also, as a test last week, I put a standard NRA bullseye target at 21 ft, turned off the lights, wait until my eyes got accustomed to the almost near darkness, then shot one round. I turned the lights back on. I hit the target, and marked where the hit was with chalk. Put the target back out, turned the lights off, shot three more rounds, fired the 1st round in that string, waited for two seconds, then fired again, then again within a second. All three subsequent rounds within a 4" area. Next, unloaded and secured the compensated Glock, turned off the lights, and shined by Pelican 8060D directly in my eyes. My compensated G31C with night sights was 10-12 ft away, with the sights facing me. I was able to see the sights after about 3-4 seconds. I encourage/ push/ challenge /dare others to do their own testing, and not perpetuate myths. Yes, there is an inherent danger with shooting a compensated Glock from a high retention position. Guess what? If you were in a car riding shotgun, there would be some inherent danger shoving your shorty AR15 with muzzle brake across the frontal area of the driver to make a shot. In all things, there are caveats and compromises. Train accordingly! -ml |
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I encourage/ push/ challenge /dare others to do their own testing -ml already done; possible increase of loss of 'night vison' is one aspect...shooting/fighitng from retention positon/close contact/retention/etc is another, just as important aspect (if not more so) i considered and in which the "C" is just not too great... in the end, its up to each of us indivually to pick what suits us and our needs; for me and for any recommendations, i would NOT opt for a "C" version of a glock (and a LOT more better qualified individuals, instructors, organizations, etc would also recommend this) for a fighting handgun if anyone is having troubles w/ handling a .40sw/.357/9mm/.45acp, etc.....then its tecnique, not mechanical devices that need work
YMMV Yes, there is an inherent danger with shooting a compensated Glock from a high retention position.
In all things, there are caveats and compromises. Train accordingly! agreed |
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I say get the ported version and buy a factory glock barrel, that way you can change accordingly
Also alphaghost, i honestly cant get used to .40, ive tried over and over but just cant get over the snap upwards, i love 45  Hey, good call. I didn't even think of that! 
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| My CCW is a 23C and I love it. Wouldn't trade it for the world! I've fired in very low light conditions with no effect on my night vision. The front sight gets dirty and there is more cleaning involved but it's not a biggie. That's just my experience folks. My G19 is stock. Buy what you like, the important thing is that it's a Glock! |
| you don't need a ported barrel for a 9mm, unless you are building a race gun and i havent seen too manr g19 race guns. ported barrels suck for shooting at night especially with night sights. It is hard enough to see them after the first shot at night anyway,The last thing you want to do is make the problem worse |