Posted: 10/6/2008 11:10:12 PM EDT
| Do alot of you guys use them? If so, which brand should I get? I know some of them are advertised as a semi-magwell. I plan to order it from either Brownells or Midway USA cause I'm ordering some other stuff as well. What's your recommendation. |
The problem with the TAC RAC Glock® Armorer's Tool plug is you need a tool to get it out of the backstrap so that you can use the tool on the end of it. A perfect tool for removing the TAC RAC Glock® Armorer's Tool plug from your Glock is, you guessed it, a Glock Armorer's tool. |
touché, though I usually have a pocket knife or similar on my person to get it out, so for me it's some what of a moot point. YMMV. |
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I have a 'friction only' Jentra on my G27, which does seem to keep pocket lint out. (Though I don't know how big a problem pocket lint would be; I keep my carry pistols clean and regularly re-lube/brush them off.) Here in Michigan, sandstorms and dust aren't really a big concern, so I don't think a plug is essential for me. 
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| If Glocks needed the plugs in them then Gaston would have made it so. I really doubt he cut that corner to save 15 cents worth of material. As for lint, dirt and whatever else you are afraid is going to get into your gun, clean it everyone in a while and you should not have a probelm. |
IMO, much easier to just grab the sides of the baseplate. If you put your thumb on the back of the baseplate via that rear channel, you can't really grasp the mag with the rest of your fingers. (At least not with as much surface area as using your thumb and the side of the forefinger against the baseplate.) |
yea, i love "riping" out the mags on the sides too, but sometimes, i miss w/ my fingers if gloved--cant catch em fully all the time sometimes i wish that the glocks had slight cuts on each sides for the rip, which i do prefer on the sides vs tumb in the hole... |
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I use one in my G26,but not my G17, The fullsize frames have scallops in the front of the grip and in the backstrap channel to facilitate removal of the original NFML mags,which had smaller baseplates.These smaller baseplates provided a much smaller suface to grab ahold of,and since I live in NY,these NFML mags are what I still use.With the new FMLDF mags with the larger baseplates, plugs will not interfere with mag removal at all in the event of a double feed. In the subcompact frames there is no scallop in front or in the backstrap channel,so a much better grip on the mag is possible by grabbing the sides of the baseplate.For this reason,and the fact that the weapon is carried alot ,my G26 sports a jentra plug, I think if a fight ever goes to the ground in sloppy conditions a plug could possibly be a lifesaver,as a holstered weapon with a open backstrap channel is succeptible to getting packed full of mud/sand/sod. |
How does it keep dirt away from the trigger? The hole it fills is hollow and has no access to the working parts of the gun. |
Exactly, it is not needed. This topic came up in Glock armorers school. If you inspect and maintain your weapon you have nothing to worry about. Debris and whatnot actually comes out through that "hole" you are plugging. A Glock is not a 1911. You do not need a "better" guiderod, trigger, butthole plug, etc. Shoot them how they came in the tupperware and leave them alone. Most Glock f-ups come from tinkering and aftermarket "fixes". |
I believe the seattle slug is a heavy (brass?) plug.. the idea is to add weight which reduces recoil or something.. I like the idea but not how they look. |
Not true ! |
What Debris?That hole allows alot more shit to enter the action than it lets out! If the hole/drain is essential to the reliability of the pistol,why does Glock inc. feel its acceptable to plug it with the Glock ILS ? You pack that hole with mud,you've got problems! |
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Lets review why the hole is there in the first place. Gaston didn't design the opening to 'let dirt and/or debris out' but rather the opening is the result of the molding process to form the magazine channel. A solid backstrap would have added material and weight to the pistol and likely effected the frame flex characteristics which help dissipate felt recoil. I'm guessing Gaston didn't provide a plug because he didn't want the increased costs for manufacturing, assembling, and stocking yet another part. While it isn't 'needed', I find that the grip is both more comfortable and more finished looking with one installed. I have Pierce 'buttplugs' in my Glocks as shown below. 
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Thanks for the pic. I think I will go with the Pierce plug. Seems so far to me that I guess it wouldn't hurt to have one in there. Does it aid in reloading your mag? No snags when you insert the mag with that grip plug? |
I think glock makes a lock device that fits in the hole maybe thats why its left open. |
The lock was released several years back. It was not intended for that, but I believe it was set up for a lanyard system to be put into place for Mil. applications. I read the damn book about Gaston and his boiler inventions and whatnot. Good read, but I got to reread it because I can't remember much of it. 
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Yup, that's it. I'd get one, but I don't need what almost looks like a spike on my grip. It would help balance the gun I think, to have more weight in your hand instead of above it in the slide as your magazine empties. Though, to be totally honest, I don't really notice the differene unless I'm paying attention for it specifically. |
I think that the 'buttplugs' aid in mag insertion. I know that the grip is more comfortable with the end finished so you aren't dealing with the sharp edge opening. |
very true also consider the first generation magazines were not drop free by design. The cut out near the back strap allowed you to get you thumb in there to help pull the mag out if nessasry. Of course the magazines have now been properly ammericanized so they drop free as god intended. |
How is it "better"? They both do the same exact thing. |
They will both keep debris out of the channel, but you can see with the Lone Wolf model it leaves a ledge exposed that mags can get caught on. The Glockmeister covers it completely making it impossible for any hang ups. |
Hmmm I've never had a issue with the mag hanging up. |
Thanks guys for all of your replies and recommendations. I decided to go with the Pearce Plus Zero Grip Frame Insert that I ordered from Brownells. I installed it yesterday and it's everything that I was looking for. I like the way it serves as a semi-magwell to. The rim of the cartridge in a loaded mag doesn't get hung up like before and when installed, it follows the lines of the lower grip. Thanks Again. I know it's just a piece of plastic but it's the little things like this that make me...
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which would do the same job as the glock tool. I have used everything from a rifle bullet tip to a screwdriver, dental pick, knife blade tip, hell I even used an allen wrench to take down my glock. glocks are boreing, but they are damn simple and rugged. I love mine so much I sold all of my other pistols to buy glock's. |
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The hole is for your thumb to go in when you get a type 3 malfunction. You stick your thumb into the hole to get leverage to rip the mag out. I was told that it's not in the user manual, but it's an official Glock procedure. With the full size frame,yes!With the compacts and sub compacts,that lack the scallop in the front of the grip,no! |