Posted: 8/15/2008 3:44:17 PM EDT
| anyone using one?...I have a Glock 23 and was thinking about getting one for that occasional time when I pull into a shady area and need to carry concealed, even though it will spend most of its time in the glove box... |
i think that is the big thing. i for one don't like to carry without a round in the chamber. plus, a gun is "always" loaded anyway. |
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To expound on the subject. Glocks are safe in condition 1 only in a well formed holster. Some clip ons for glocks like the GentraClip draw is usually attached to the frame where the hands rest when shooting. It is heavier than a knife, and we all know how the clip of a knife tears up our clothes. (Yeah It will clip on your jeans, not your belt. Look close the clip is not wide enough to accommodate the belt too. This means on a 5 loop pair of jeans or shorts the 4 o clock or 8 o clock will droop under the belt at some point and be jammed on the draw by being under the belt) There are more reasons why the idea sucks, but these will turn most away. The clip draw looks like a decent way to carry on the belt. It does however cover the slide serrations. |
| And not carrying a "Hot pistol......" Please seek more training. I was there when I first carried. .. I know your trepidation.....Carry a chambered firearm. You need a chambered weapon right out of the holster..........in any scenario you may need a gun in. I have taken 5 courses now. I carry a weapon at work. I carry hot. |
Find information on the "Tueller drill". This will help you understand why most do not carry an unloaded weapon. P.s. An unloaded gun is just an expensive club, or rock. +1 "Against" the Clipdraw. |
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Thanks for all the input guys.... I am new to the CCW crowd having just been permitted back in May, so admittedly I speak from a position of relative ignorance. With regards to carrying a chambered pistol...that does not bother me. I guess I'm just looking at the ease of carry factor which the clipdraw definitely favors. I DO need to get some formal training I realize, but I have read various sources that stated that some folks, particularly the IDF, train to rack on the draw. I guess I'm kinda intrigued by this method of carry along with the clipdraw for max concealability and comfort... |
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IDF did that YEARS AGO! They used captured pistols that operated different ways. They had limited training facilities. The intruction went like this: This is a automatic. Keep it off safe. Do'nt chamber a round. If you need it, draw , chamber , and shoot. Can it be done quick? Yes. My question 4u is- Did you capture your pistol or is it unknown to you? |
I have one on my G27 and I love it. There used to be a photo write-up on Glock Talk before that place fell apart. You won't get anything but negativity from the people that don't actually own one. Spend the $20 something bucks and try it for yourself. |
It's not really. I cleared my G27 and put it inside the waistband and tried to dry-fire it. You can't; your belt is in the way (it goes over the pants and belt, contrary to what the guy that obviously doesn't own one posted above). If you put it in your pocket, the safe-action trigger prevents that too. You have to poke your finger into your pants, curl the finger really hard, and then pull the trigger. On anything stiffer than Dockers, you'll have one hell of a time trying to dry-fire it. Try it. Just make sure your weapon is unloaded, please. Unless you have a really large, stiff, mole on your hip the shape of a crooked finger, don't worry about it. If I have to post pics to disprove the bad advice, I'll be happy to. |
Haven't heard of that one...looks different than the clip draw. Does it carry inside or outside the waistband? |
Don't worry, The clipdraw is just another useless piece of crap that does'nt belong on a defensive handgun. (The clipdraw is attached at where the slide cover plate is located.) Those that advocate carrying an unloaded weapon with a Clipdraw attached, must think they'll never enter in to a fistfight, or roll around on the ground with an attacker. Or pray that during struggling, their weapon does'nt fall out in to the hands of their attacker. You can keep your clipdraw, I'll take a good leather thumb break holster with one in the tube already. |
This method of carry presupposes that you have two hands free. I.e., your weak hand is not being used for carrying something, driving, fending off an attacker, dangling from a tendon, etc. Murphy's law being what it is, I would not want to plan on having two hands free. Having carried a glock with a clipdraw for a while in my more naive years, let me say without any hesitation that a good inside the waistband holster (like a Comp-Tac Minotaur, for example) is way more comfortable than a clipdraw. A good IWB holster has two well-separated attachment points, and it stays locked solidly to your body. A clipdraw is wobbly as a drunken monkey, and you constantly worry about it shifting or dropping or some such other nonsense. It is neither more comfortable nor more concealable. |
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While I don't have a Clip Draw, all the above posters saying that carrying one-in-the-tube with a Clip Draw is suicide haven't bothered to consider another little gadget that I think mitigates the issues they raise; the Saf-T-Blok. It seems to me that combining both the Clip Draw and Saf-T-Blok is a reasonably safe method of carrying. You have a loaded pistol which can be drawn one-handed, its slim, and as secure as a holster which covers the trigger. I would trust that combination long before I'd carry using any holster at 1 o'clock which many people have no qualms doing.  The issue is that if you have an AD when drawing from that position, you have a good chance of striking your Femoral artery in the groin area. If that artery is severed, you have about 1 minute before you bleed out and there's nothing anyone can do to stop the blood flow in the field. 
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Yes. Clipdraw, Safe-T-Blok, it's all crap. Worthless crap. NO well trained professional would EVER carry that way, for all the reasons stated above. Professional? YEAH. Even an armed civilian should strive for excellence, to be safe, to be prepared, to use the firearm correctly and efficiently. Carrying is a big responsibility. There's a right way and a wrong way to do everything. We can say "oh, you carry in a cross-draw? Cool. I carry in a strong side. He carries IWB......." etc. etc., but clipdraw is for idiots. And no, sorry, Safe-T-Blok doesn't mitigate crap. Sure, go ahead and break one of the FUNDAMENTAL RULES to prepare the weapon for firing. Pop it out, decide not to fire, you gonna get on your hands and kees, look for the thing, and VIOLATE A RULE AGAIN and put in back in the trigger guard, just to reholster? Please......... |
May I direct you to the book Tactical Pistol Shooting by Erik Lawrence? Take a look at page 90 where he recommends both the Saf-T-Blok and the Clip. The back of the books states..."With more than a decade of special operations experience at hot spots around the globe, Erik Lawrence knows what it takes to get the job done...". The inside cover, in the "About the Author" section, states "Erik Lawrence served over 10 years in the U.S. Army Special Forces, in both the 19th Special Forces Group (Airborne) and the 1st Special Forces Group (Airborne)...). The credentials continue, but that will probably suffice. Does this mean it's the gospel? No, but the author is hardly some chump that would use a crappy product because he doesn't know any better. Sharp people are always looking for a better way. Why bother to write this up or add more to the thread? I'm not trying to start a flame war; I guess it's because it mystifies me why people feel the need to answer on a subject that they're not real familiar with, and end up misleading others. The other poster has my respect for admitting a mistake. It's understandable, since he has another brand that doesn't sound like it works properly. He has my respect for that. However, everyone else that just gave an opinion is misleading someone and making the product sound bad. I've run across this with Clip Draw, Saf-T-Blok, Hi Point, Fobus, etc., etc. The people that actually own these products generally praise them and encourage others to try them out as well. The people that hurl the sharpest criticism usually don't even own the product! |
So what? No, friend, we don't need to get into a flame war. I agree. I don't know who this Erik Lawrence is. I don't know if he was in Group or not. I'm fairly well-read, but I don't know everything. If he's recommending these products, he does in fact sound like an idiot. Maybe he's paid to advertise and recommend them, who knows. I'm sure integrity has it's price. No competent person could possibly recommend these things. Yes smart people look for better ways, but these products are not "better ways". It's just a fact. You don't have to OWN crap to know it's crap. You can handle, test, try out, and use crap to see it's crap. I've done this with these. Had my hands on them (yeah, someone elses!). If someone wants to use stuff like this, I suppose it's on them. The rest of us know what we know. I'm not some kind of "guru", but I know what's crap. 
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