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2/23/2008 5:35:53 PM EDT



I had the finger grooves ground off, the front strap high cut and the bottom relieved so I can get a stuck mag out.

Future additions are Heinie sights and a Vickers mag catch.

These modifications solve many of the problems that I have with the stock G19.

2/23/2008 6:29:41 PM EDT
[#1]
NY #1 (factory), 3# connector (factory), and it'll be perfect. As it stands, it's beautiful.
2/23/2008 6:39:29 PM EDT
[#2]
SWEET!!
2/23/2008 7:40:20 PM EDT
[#3]
Bump.
2/23/2008 8:45:28 PM EDT
[#4]
Could you shed some light on the cost and who did the work?

Looks like the perfect thing to do with my 23.

Oh BTW why the bump?

R
2/23/2008 8:55:51 PM EDT
[#5]
my was done right from the factory
2/23/2008 10:01:54 PM EDT
[#6]
Bumped because I'm an attention whore.

It was done by a smith who didn't care.  It is ugly, but it works.  Touch up work was done by someone else, who doesn't work on Glocks.  You can do your own with a dremel and sandpaper.

If your Glocks works from the factory it may be because you haven't shot it yet.  This one has been to the range 6 times and fired approx 4.5K rounds.  You do the math.

This one had to have a lot of the plastics dehorned before it stopped cutting.  The downside is that the holster I have creates a protrusion when you used a high cut gun.  That rubs my middle finger.


2/23/2008 10:28:57 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
If your Glocks works from the factory it may be because you haven't shot it yet.  


Yeah, that company has no clue how to make a functional firearm. If it were not for end user modifications most G19's wouldn't know what to do with themselves.
2/23/2008 11:05:41 PM EDT
[#8]
Glock takes pride in the fact that he built a gun without ever knowing anything about them.

That may be why the finer grooves don't fit my hands, or the trigger is sharp enough to draw blood.

Or maybe not.

I don't know.
2/23/2008 11:20:10 PM EDT
[#9]
The work wasnt done at Caswells was it?
2/23/2008 11:34:14 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
If your Glocks works from the factory it may be because you haven't shot it yet.  This one has been to the range 6 times and fired approx 4.5K rounds.  You do the math.


Yeah, nope.
2/23/2008 11:41:12 PM EDT
[#11]
I don't know why Glock gets a free pass on this site.
2/23/2008 11:45:03 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
I don't know why Glock gets a free pass on this site.

It doesn't.  Many people have many problems with their Glocks.  But stating that if a Glock works from the factory it "may be because you haven't shot it yet." is just asinine.  If your Glock doesn't work for YOU from the factory, then fix it (like you did).  All my Glocks shoot just fine right out of the box.  It hits where I point it.
2/23/2008 11:47:58 PM EDT
[#13]
Glocks typically do hit where you point them.  But the sights are junk, the slide stop mag catch is too short, the frame could use some cutting (like mine) and they need to be tested thoroughly for reliability.  Mine had one stovepipe, that is all.

Once you start shooting them in volume, all the defects stand out.  Like the lack of a beavertail that required care to keep the gun from drawing blood.
2/24/2008 3:59:08 AM EDT
[#14]
do you mind if I ask what training course you went through to shoot that volume?

I feel like ANY pistol would start to get painful after so much shooting.
looks great btw.

Thanks,
Mark
2/24/2008 6:59:19 AM EDT
[#15]
I've shot a lot more than 6k rounds through my Glocks.  Haven't found it necessary to remove finger grooves, etc.  Do use 3.5# aftermarket connectors and steel sights.  
2/24/2008 7:17:02 AM EDT
[#16]
WTF is wrong with the finger grooves?  If you didn't like them why didn't you buy a first gen?
2/24/2008 9:38:39 AM EDT
[#17]

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WTF is wrong with the finger grooves?  If you didn't like them why didn't you buy a first gen?


I got the most recent Glock because it was new and had the most modern upgrades.

Unbeknownst to the general public, Glock routinely has to make design changes.  Sometimes it is to enhance reliability.  Sometimes it is to keep the guns from falling apart, like when the .40 caliber guns used a 9MM locking block and would fall apart.

Also, it has the light rail, which I sometimes use for the nightstand.


Quoted:
I've shot a lot more than 6k rounds through my Glocks.  Haven't found it necessary to remove finger grooves, etc.  Do use 3.5# aftermarket connectors and steel sights.  


I've got a lot of rounds though 19s, 22s, and 21s and the problems with the grooves are most apparent during the draw stroke.
2/24/2008 10:06:24 AM EDT
[#18]
OK...
I can understand some polymer plastic reconturing.

But what is wrong with the factory MAG CATCH
2/24/2008 10:38:00 AM EDT
[#19]


Too short.  I have big hands and I have to turn it in my hands to drop a mag.
2/24/2008 10:44:35 AM EDT
[#20]
I like Glocks just the way they coome from the factory, i shoot mine all the time , never had a problem with them . Glocks fit me just fine they way they are , i don't get people cutting on them  but hey it's your gun you can do what ever you want ...

I like to keep mine stock , the only thing i change is the sights...
2/24/2008 11:02:46 AM EDT
[#21]
If you had to madify it that much and it seems like a lot of complaining about glock, so why do you even own one?
2/24/2008 11:10:06 AM EDT
[#22]
They are reliable, inexpensive firearms.
2/24/2008 12:58:00 PM EDT
[#23]
Nice piece.  +1 on the rounding off the finger grooves.  I still shoot best with my Gen 1 G17 w/o the grooves.
2/25/2008 5:54:12 AM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:
Bumped because I'm an attention whore.

If your Glocks works from the factory it may be because you haven't shot it yet.  This one has been to the range 6 times and fired approx 4.5K rounds.  

my middle finger.




2/25/2008 7:48:13 AM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:
I've shot a lot more than 6k rounds through my Glocks.  Haven't found it necessary to remove finger grooves, etc.  Do use 3.5# aftermarket connectors and steel sights.  


+1 I have NS on most and on 2 of my Glocks I bought all steel Glock sights.  I love the finger grooves.  I can understand why some might cut on the Glocks to make them work better for that individual but they are just right for me from the factory.  
2/25/2008 8:13:53 AM EDT
[#26]
I used to like the grooves back in the day. maybe my hands changed.  Once I high cut the gun it sits a lot lower in my hands.
2/25/2008 10:10:32 AM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I've shot a lot more than 6k rounds through my Glocks.  Haven't found it necessary to remove finger grooves, etc.  Do use 3.5# aftermarket connectors and steel sights.  


+1 I have NS on most and on 2 of my Glocks I bought all steel Glock sights.  I love the finger grooves.  I can understand why some might cut on the Glocks to make them work better for that individual but they are just right for me from the factory.  


Ah-HA!

I KNEW the guy those things were made for was out there somewhere and now I know who he is.

Personally, the darn things drive me nuts, so I opted for a gen 2 17 with Metropro NS already installed and saved myself some money to boot. The guy I bought it from had just replaced the recoil spring as well.

I never was much of a "Glock guy" and I bought this strictly as a practice gun, as I didn't have anything in 9mm and .40 and (especially) .45 was getting expensive. To tell the truth, though, I REALLY like this gun. I have to almost pry it away from a friend of mine every time we go shooting. (and he's not much of a gun guy.)

For an older G17 with an unknown round count, I really have no complaints.
2/25/2008 12:56:59 PM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:
I've shot a lot more than 6k rounds through my Glocks.  Haven't found it necessary to remove finger grooves, etc.  Do use 3.5# aftermarket connectors and steel sights.  


Me too..but hey what do I know, my 3rd Gen 23 is only nearing 10K rounds..I guess I have not shot it enough.
2/25/2008 6:00:54 PM EDT
[#29]
Depends on how you shoot it.  You carry it?
2/25/2008 6:10:10 PM EDT
[#30]
Like i said before, I shoot , carry and train with my Glocks. I carry a G-34 or 36 everyday i have i don't really know how many  thousand rounds through them, they work great for me just like they came from the factory, the only i would change is the sights. But if someone wants to cut and all on  there glock go right ahead.. Not my cup of tea..


Me and a lot of others like Glocks just like they come from the factory.

2/25/2008 6:12:13 PM EDT
[#31]
I found that the finger grooves inhibited my draw stroke and forced the gun higher in my hand.

I'm glad you've found success.
2/25/2008 6:17:14 PM EDT
[#32]
Nirvana for one shooter may be absolute garbage to another.  I like the factory G19, with the exception of the short mag release.

Six range trips and 4,500rds seems a little excessive.  I mean, by comparison, I've gone 3 days pistol with some top instructors, 8 hours per day, and not shot 2,250rds over those 3 days.  In fact, even on a 5 day pistol course we didn't break 2,000.

More power to you though, Glock mods look good on the small pic.
2/25/2008 6:54:14 PM EDT
[#33]

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Depends on how you shoot it.  You carry it?


Combat, plinking, matches and I daily carry it.
2/25/2008 7:11:24 PM EDT
[#34]
You are good to go.  If it works for you, who am I to argue.

The problem with the internet is that it is full of people that don't shoot, and don't care to learn.  Signal to noise and all that.

Thanks for participating.
2/25/2008 7:12:17 PM EDT
[#35]
Shivan, that doesn't include all the damn dry firing.  I probably dry fired 500 rounds a day in one class.
2/25/2008 7:17:47 PM EDT
[#36]
Are you C_J's troll account?
2/25/2008 7:18:49 PM EDT
[#37]

Quoted:
Are you C_J's troll account?


No.
2/25/2008 7:22:21 PM EDT
[#38]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Are you C_J's troll account?


No.


You two must be long-lost brothers, then.
2/25/2008 7:36:28 PM EDT
[#39]

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Shivan, that doesn't include all the damn dry firing.  I probably dry fired 500 rounds a day in one class.


Seems pretty excessive, and I'm usually the one screaming for high round counts.
2/25/2008 7:40:12 PM EDT
[#40]

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Quoted:
Shivan, that doesn't include all the damn dry firing.  I probably dry fired 500 rounds a day in one class.


Seems pretty excessive, and I'm usually the one screaming for high round counts.


It was fun.
2/26/2008 6:54:19 AM EDT
[#41]

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It was fun.


...nice mods, nice blaster.
2/26/2008 7:43:11 AM EDT
[#42]

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I don't know why Glock gets a free pass on this site.


Maybe because you are posting in the Glock forum?

People like Glocks because:

1.  They work
2.  They don't NEED any mods to continue to work
3.  They all work the same way right out of the box
4.  They may work better for different applications and shooters with some mods, but they still work.

Did I mention that they work?
2/26/2008 8:01:38 AM EDT
[#43]
Bullshit.  I've seen almost as many Glocks go down as ones that keep running.

Mine works.  I've verified it.  I carry it.

I've seen a lot of Glocks that will never work.

NYPD and LAPD have had huge problems.

The locking blocks used to fall out of the .40s.

The extractors can break.

They can malfunction with the addition of a light.

The bottom line is to run the piss out of the gun and if it doesn't work get a new one.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves.
2/26/2008 8:44:06 AM EDT
[#44]

Quoted:
Glock takes pride in the fact that he built a gun without ever knowing anything about them.

That may be why the finer grooves don't fit my hands, or the trigger is sharp enough to draw blood.

Or maybe not.

I don't know.


Maybe Gaston forgot to measure your hands before designing a pistol for millions.  Maybe you just have sensitive girly hands :)  My G19 has never drawn blood and has been 100% reliable through a couple thousand rounds.
2/26/2008 8:49:08 AM EDT
[#45]

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I used to like the grooves back in the day. maybe my hands changed.  Once I high cut the gun it sits a lot lower in my hands.


It can't be a lot lower.  You can only remove so much plastic under there and from your pictures it doesn't appear that you removed a lot.
2/26/2008 8:58:05 AM EDT
[#46]

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Bullshit.  I've seen almost as many Glocks go down as ones that keep running.

Mine works.  I've verified it.  I carry it.

Sweet!  Me too!

I've seen a lot of Glocks that will never work.

NYPD and LAPD have had huge problems.

The locking blocks used to fall out of the .40s.

Are you referring to 2 pin Gen 1 glocks?  They don't make those anymore.

The extractors can break.

Extractors can break on any gun.  I have had one Glock exxtractor break and one on a CZ-75

They can malfunction with the addition of a light.

Yes, some .40 Glocks had problems with weapons mounted lights.

The bottom line is to run the piss out of the gun and if it doesn't work get a new one.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves.

Agreed!
2/26/2008 9:15:27 AM EDT
[#47]

Quoted:

Too short.  I have big hands and I have to turn it in my hands to drop a mag.


Most handguns are designed this way I believe for safety purposes and as far as the finger grooves and thumb rests these were added to allow importation.
2/26/2008 9:16:31 AM EDT
[#48]
5 GLOCKs, 20,000+ rounds, no mds, no problems. I guess I need to get to the range more to discover all dem short comings.
2/26/2008 9:26:41 AM EDT
[#49]

Quoted:
They are reliable, inexpensive firearms.



Yet you spend every other post knocking the deficiencies and quoting instances of breakage?  You're just trolling for drama in my opinion.
2/26/2008 9:30:17 AM EDT
[#50]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I used to like the grooves back in the day. maybe my hands changed.  Once I high cut the gun it sits a lot lower in my hands.


It can't be a lot lower.  You can only remove so much plastic under there and from your pictures it doesn't appear that you removed a lot.


It's actually somewhat significant... once the gun is in your hand the difference is quite apparent. With that in mind the advantage to the "high-cut" is more in the control and better grasp on the gun than it is in the lowered height.
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