Posted: 9/19/2007 9:03:13 PM EDT
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Has anybody on this forum used one of the Steel guide rod/spring sets, sold by these people? gunsprings.com//SemiAuto/glockNF.html#G26Guides |
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I have both stainless and tungsten guide rods. Seriously, take my advice: save your money. Some will advocate being able to change recoil springs easier with aftermarket rods, just pull the cap on your factory one and it'll work the same. The weight difference you get is barely anything. Use that money for ammo. You'd be surprised how much more a shooter can get out of a stock pistol by practicing than buying things that might help a tiny percentage. Wolff isn't a bad company by any means but I think you'd be better off directing your money to something more productive. 
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Thanks for the info. I should have been more clear on my original post. The recoil of my stock G27 doesn't bother me at all. I wanted the steel recoil rod to prevent a possible weapon failure. I have been reading a lot of stuff on Glock pistols and the only "weak link" seems to be the recoil spring guide rod. I would buy the standard weight spring. I carry my weapon regularly, if $35 can offer some reasurance, I'll pay it. I was just wondering if anyone has had problems or complaints about this product. |
| If you're using the factory guide rod assembly with your G27, then your G27 is undersprung. I use the Wolff non-captured steel guide rods in my G30 and G26. I use the factory-strength springs with the G26. Wouldn't make much sense to use the same springs in a G26 as in a G27, would it? |
Do you have any proof that the G27 is undersprung? In many things involving engineering, there is an acceptable overlap on things such as this. I am willing to bet that after much research and testing, Glock decided on a spring weight that worked reliably on both, actually all four(26/27/33/39) guns. I'm pretty sure they succeeded. Otherwise, sometime in the past 12 years or so, since the subs have been out, they would have offered another spring weight for each of the subs. |
No doubt all Glocks will work with the factory-supplied springs. However, it's ludicrous to think that a G17 should have the same recoil spring weight as a G20. Proof? Yeah, I have the brains with which I was blessed at birth, with which I'm able to take in information and make rational decisions. Glock's engineers have more on their plate than just designing the "perfect" match of recoil spring to caliber, for optimal performance. What their priorities are should be so obvious as to be apparent to even the most rudimentary of us. I'm not restricted by the parameters set for Glock's engineers by those in charge of setting parameters for Glock's engineers. I generally use Wolff Springs' guidelines for recoil spring weight, when determining what recoil spring weight I use for the various calibers/loads that I shoot through my Glocks. If my Glock (G20's a good example) throws brass into the next county with the factory spring, then it's apparent to this humble proletarian that my G20 needs a stronger spring. If you like your Glocks stock, or are afraid of not qualified to think about the physics of firearms mechanics, then just keep your Glocks stock. My Glocks, with tens of thousands of rounds through them, outfitted with "proper" spring weights, show practically no wear. |
Well, obviously your brains aren't keeping up. Didn't you and I go through this before? I explained to you, that the reason the G20 doesn't need a heavier spring is because the slide is much heavier. I'm pretty sure you didn't have anything to say after that, so I figured it had sunk in last time. |
Where should I watch for signs of wear? I like to keep an eye such things. What would the proper spring weight be for a G27? I want to shoot all kinds of ammo. |
I know y`all are talking about the G20, and it has a demensionally larger slide. But the .40s and 9mms have the same factory spring weights. G17 WEIGHT 625 g / 22.04 oz. G22 WEIGHT 650 g / 22.92 oz. 0.88 oz. difference If the data on Glocks website is accurate, the G17 and G22 length, height, and width are identical. Would`nt that suggest that the weight difference with these two models is in the barrel and not the slide? And therfore could be said to be "under sprung" ? I don`t have both to compare, so i don`t know. |
I havn`t used it yet, but i bought one 2 days ago for my G26. Here is a picture of it, and a Glockmiester captivated unit above. The Wolff unit is nice, they machined the guides very smooth and they list that it is heat treated/hardened. The spring kit i ordered with it seems to be equally as nice, very smooth surfaces. The GM unit isn`t as nicely finished, rougher surfaces on the rods and spings. And it is captivated with appearntly no way to change the springs. I wrote GM asking if it was possible to change the springs and they never responded. 
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I wouldn`t worry about wear. If there is a problem, you will likely know it from looking at it, or the gun not working right. It would be highly unusual for your Glock to be damaged by normal use, or even severe abuse for that matter, as we`ve seen in some torture tests. I believe the G27 and G26 are the same weight and dimensions, the stock spring weight on the 26 is 16#. I would want a pound or two heavier than 16 in a G27. Although i`m certain it will work fine with factory 16lbs springs. A heavier spring should reduce felt recoil a bit, as the slide won`t be impacting the frame as hard at the end of the recoil cycle. I had a G21 once, and I bought a recoil spring that was several lbs over factory weight (don`t remember the numbers) and it ran fine. Just make sure you test it before relying on it. When you shoot the gun, make note of where the brass is ejecting. Ejecting brass 5 to 10 feet is normal, further than 15 feet away, it may be time to replace the spring. Less than 5 feet, the spring may be too stiff. |
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In order to understand why those springs can be the same weight, you have to understand what a recoil spring does. Its primary purpose is to return and keep the slide into battery, so everything can remain where it is supposed to be, in order to fire again. The G26/G27/G33/G39 obviously require the same or very similar spring weight, in order to return the slide to battery. A secondary function, is to control slide speed, thereby ensuring proper functioning(proper feeding) of the gun. The fact it can change how the recoil feels to you is just a by product of why the spring is their in the first place. In other words, it is not there to control recoil. When a gun fires, it has frame stops that it hits, and it comes to a complete stop. Then the recoil assembly begins to perform its primary function. On the way forward. |
| Thank you for all the helpful replies. I have noticed that the brass gets flung pretty far. so a new spring may not be a bad idea. Now that I have a non captive guide rod, I can get some other springs and experiment. It will be interesting to see how it functions with the new guide rod. If this weapon functions as good as it did before, I will not complain. |
| I took the G27 out yesterday and tried the new guide rod and spring set. Overall I am very pleased with the results. I really don't think it changed the muzzle climb. I did notice a smoother recoil. The new springs took some of the snap out of the recoil. The brass flew a consistant distance with each shot. Accuracy did not change. |