Posted: 3/7/2007 10:01:44 AM EDT
| I read somewhere today and can't find it again, that when sbr'ing a G19, you can't engrave into the plastic frame. Is that true? And if so, where can you engrave on the G19 and have it legal? Thanks! |
The engraving must be on the frame, receiver or barrel. The slide isn't legal. If I were the OP, I would get the engraving done on the side of the barrel hood. |
If you are going to use both barrels when the gun is configured as a SBR, yes. If you have a barrel that you are only going to use when it is a pistol, then no, only the gun you will use in rifle config needs to be engraved. |
| You could always get a tiny metal stamp made the size of the flat surface on the bottom of your trigger guard with your name, address and whatever. Then just get it nice and hot and press it into there. Just get the lettering big enough that it's legible and test on some other piece of plastic. You could even potentially sacrifice a glock mag if you really wanted to make sure of how well it worked on the glock polymer. Just a thought but it may work and it's an out of the way spot on the receiver. I would suggest a soldering iron but a nice little stamp would come out much cleaner and be much easier to get the lettering super small. |
I had a Colt 6450, it quickly became a safe queen (cause I like shooting my LMT M4 more) even though it was really fun to shoot. I shoot my G19 more often and figured since I was getting a Gemtech for it, why spend the extra $200 and make it into a great looking sbr for those times I want to shoot it like that. With the G19 I can shoot it either as a pistol or the sbr, not true with the 6450. |
I'm not going to get pissed that you just broke the COC and told this guy to do something incredibly stupid and illegal, but don't spread bullshit advise like that |
Ever been to Georgia, specifically Glencoe?
Pistol with a stock = short barreled rifle. I know - counter intuitive. Firearms laws have never been in line with common sense. |
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FWIW: I have a Glock 34 SBR. I bought all the stuff from DS Arms. That same stock in the picture, a mag holder that attaches to the rail and thus becomes a forward grip, optic mount, and AAC Evo9 suppressor. The optic mount attaches to the rail and also replaces your trigger pin. The optic mount also then has a rail on the bottom so you don't have to give up the rail to mount the optic. I can either use the forward grip/spare mag or the Surefire light. But, but, why not SBR a 9mm AR ? I already did. But, then, why not SBR a .223 AR ? I already did, more than one. Ok, but why not SBRa Ruger 10/22, and make a pocket rifle ? Been there. Well then, why not SBR an HKG3 and make a G3K ? Done that. Ok, then why not blow $200 on a short barreled shotgun ? Got one. So if you are going to spend $200 for the tax stamp, why not put together a Krinkov ? Good idea, but I did that also. Any other suggestions ? I am out of ideas.  This whole idea came about when I was at a gunshow. We were walking around looking at Artillary model Lugers, Inglis Browning Hi-Powers, Broomhandle Mausers etc. I said to my friend, wouldn't it be cool if there was a modern day Artillary Model ? He said, there is, take a Glock, put a stock on it, get those 33 round mags, and there you are. I thought about it and decided to put one together. These stocked handguns were the old school version of the M4, or the .30 Carbine. They wanted a short, easy to carry weapon that offered some of the accuracy of a rifle. Today, it is just something cool to have. I am not some high speed low drag guy. My guns are toys. I shoot them at a range or maybe shoot a jackrabbit or something. My guns don't have to fulfil some critical role other than my happieness.  Why do some people think a short barreled AR makes sense but not a Glock posing as a short barreled rifle ? They are both chambered for the same cartridge. The Glock holds more ammo in the magazine. Both can easily use optics or iron sights. However, in seconds you can remove the stock and holster the Glock. |
Thread on HKPRO The letter states "frame, receiver or barrel". |
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For additional reference: 27 CFR 479.102 [Code of Federal Regulations] [Title 27, Volume 2] [Revised as of April 1, 2003] From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access [CITE: 27CFR479.102] [Page 188-189] TITLE 27--ALCOHOL, TOBACCO PRODUCTS AND FIREARMS CHAPTER II--BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, FIREARMS, AND EXPLOSIVES, DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE PART 479--MACHINE GUNS, DESTRUCTIVE DEVICES, AND CERTAIN OTHER FIREARMS--Table of Contents Subpart G--Registration and Identification of Firearms Sec. 479.102 How must firearms be identified? (a) You, as a manufacturer, importer, or maker of a firearm, must legibly identify the firearm as follows: (1) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed) or placed on the frame or receiver thereof an individual serial number. The serial number must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed, and must not duplicate any serial number placed by you on any other firearm. For firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of the serial number must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller than 1/16 inch; and (2) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed), or placed on the frame, receiver, or barrel thereof certain additional information. This information must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered or removed. For firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of this information must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch. The additional information includes: (i) The model, if such designation has been made; (ii) The caliber or gauge; (iii) Your name (or recognized abbreviation) and also, when applicable, the name of the foreign manufacturer or maker; (iv) In the case of a domestically made firearm, the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the manufacturer maintain your place of business, or where you, as the maker, made the firearm; and [[Page 189]] (v) In the case of an imported firearm, the name of the country in which it was manufactured and the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the importer maintain your place of business. For additional requirements relating to imported firearms, see Customs regulations at 19 CFR part 134. (b) The depth of all markings required by this section will be measured from the flat surface of the metal and not the peaks or ridges. The height of serial numbers required by paragraph (a)(1) of this section will be measured as the distance between the latitudinal ends of the character impression bottoms (bases). (c) The Director may authorize other means of identification upon receipt of a letter application from you, submitted in duplicate, showing that such other identification is reasonable and will not hinder the effective administration of this part. (d) In the case of a destructive device, the Director may authorize other means of identifying that weapon upon receipt of a letter application from you, submitted in duplicate, showing that engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) such a weapon would be dangerous or impracticable. (e) A firearm frame or receiver that is not a component part of a complete weapon at the time it is sold, shipped, or otherwise disposed of by you must be identified as required by this section. (f)(1) Any part defined as a machine gun, muffler, or silencer for the purposes of this part that is not a component part of a complete firearm at the time it is sold, shipped, or otherwise disposed of by you must be identified as required by this section. (2) The Director may authorize other means of identification of parts defined as machine guns other than frames or receivers and parts defined as mufflers or silencers upon receipt of a letter application from you, submitted in duplicate, showing that such other identification is reasonable and will not hinder the effective administration of this part. (Approved by the Office of Management and Budget under control number 1512-0550) [T.D. ATF-461, 66 FR 40601, Aug. 3, 2001] |
