Posted: 1/26/2007 9:02:38 PM EDT
Ok, first off I'm not posting this so it will become a Sig bashing thread. I'm just posting to show it can happen to any firearm. This also shows that polymer receivers are very user friendly. The owner while shooting today(1/26) at the local indoor range had a case fail, the bulk of the pressure swelled the mag well forcing the mag out. Despite the cracked/broken receiver the shooter only had a little spent powder on both hands. The gun only had about 250rds down the pipe that the owner purchased at the range.   Part of the case embeded in the mag well.  |
Mostly because I post information here and I did not want to have the post seam as bashing, because it's not. I posted photos here awhile back of a G20 that had a case failure. 
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I wonder if the rounds were blue pills. ? If that were the case, Federal will definitely be buying him a new gun. |
Glad no one was hurt.
In light of how the originator is somewhat of a "fixture" in the Glock forum, it would come across to many in the Sig forum as rubbing their noses in it. I feel that posting it to the home crowd was both appropriate and in good taste. The post comfirms that ANY handgun is a candidate for kB! Shoot safe!
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First off, I am not a fan of the Glock pistols. I am not typical when it comes to my opinion of them, as most are either "Glocks SUCK" or "Glocks are the only pistol worth carrying". I am indifferent. I have owned every frame size and currently have two (although I am trying to sell one) I dont like them because the grip angle is wrong for me, and they point high when I draw and drive the weapon to the target. My grip also seems to encourage their slides to remove skin from the base of my thumb when shooting. I have found them to be reliable, rugged and reasonably accurate. I have seen them malf at the range just like every other pistol, and I have seen a couple go boom. That said, I am a fan of Sig pistols, and have seen them malf, but have not personally seen one go boom. My current duty and off duty carry piece is a SP2022, and prior to that I had a SP2340. My 2340 had 20,000 rounds through it. We recently had an officer experience the EXACT same problem with their 2340. They were shooting at a commercial range with departmentally provided Black Hills reloads. No injury and Black Hills is buying us a new gun (was the cartridge in this case a reload?) It has been my experience that when a QUALITY brand firearm goes boom, it is generally the fault of an overcharged cartridge. This is not the first problem we have had with Black Hills reloads, although up to now our problems have been squibs. I recommended to the powers that be that we switch to AE or Winchester hardball for training ammo. It seems to me that the .40 S&W reloads are more prone to this problem than other calibers, but that is based on observation and not any hard data. IMHO folks should just realize that regardless of the make, if the chamber pressure in their favorite blaster exceeds its limits, something is going to give and it is not a reflection of the quality of the design. Those who see one incident and go "See, I told you they were junk" need to build the proverbial bridge and get over it. I thank the poster for putting this up! |
Not good for the owner of the gun and I doubt the range owner will replace it. I will keep you posted as I get more info.
The range owner better pray that the ammo reloader has insurance to cover all end user losses come court. Since the range sold the ammo, they have opened themselves up for one hell of a lawsuit, signed range disclaimer or not. Trust me, If the KB owner points this out, it's in the shops best interest to just replace the weapon and be done with it. If not, then the shop is going to be "owned" come lawsuit time. The not so funny part is I see this with reloaded ammo all the time at ranges. The owner states that you have to shoot some specific type of load, rejects the ammo you brought with you, and make you buy their ammo. Just last week I went to one of the local shooting holes (yes the air quality sucks, so it’s a hole), and was asked what I was shooting. When I stated that I had a DE 44 mag and a Glock, both which could not shoot lead ammo, only then did they lighten up on there only lead bullets allowed policy, and I was allowed to use my own reloads (jacketed ammo). P.S. Chamber supported or not, it’s not one of those Glock type of KB’s that the case starts failing above the web; the ass end of the case completely blew out on that round and that case failure would have taken out about any pistol it was fired in. |
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I'm glad the shooter is okay. I agree with Hotrod not posting this in the Sig forum...it would turn into an instant shitstorm. Out of curiousity and my lack of formal knowledge of Sig's inner workings, did that Sig (or others) have an unsupported or full supported chamber? It just looks like the casing failed in a similar manner to how the Glock .40's fail due to the unsupported chamber and overcharged reloads. When reading unsupported chamber, please supplement with 1-2mm less supported chamber if it makes you feel better. Why are reloaders so greedy sometimes? More good guns die by the hands of greedy, overcharging reloaders than I care to know. 
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Wow, after hearing lots of bad SIG customer service stories...I'm amazed. That is really above and beyond. My first thought when I opened this thread was "range reloads". |
I don't have a clue as I'm not up on SIGs. I don't know if they contacted owner of the kb'ed gun or not, as my only contact was when I shot the photos and the update via email.
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