[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Glock 21 fs (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/10/2007 7:50:20 PM EDT
| Anyone heard anything about when this will be out? Slimline with 13 rd mag. |
Eliminate some/all the dead space behind the magazine and shave the grooves off the front. |
| Even if you eliminate the finger grooves, it wouldn't matter. The smallest part of the grip is still the "shallows" of the finger grooves. So if you took away the finger grooves, you are still left with the same size space as was occupied with the finger grooves, you just don't have the slightly raised areas anymore. The dead space on the grip is all towards the bottom, so even if you eliminate that, you aren't making the grip slimmer, because nobody grips the gun from the bottom of the grip anyway. Besides, making something smaller from front to rear, does not make it slimmer, it makes it less deep. |
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Theres a pic on the link, it kinda looks like to me the rail might be screwed on like the kind that comes on a s&w www.topglock.com/catalog/SlimLineGlock21.htm |
Exactly... with ambi mag release. Anyway thats the word from shot show. It appears to be Glocks only new product out...... |
I doubt it seriously. The G21 is not where Glock makes their big money anyway. And the only thing the XD has on the G21 is the full capacity with a slightly more comfortable grip, but at the expense of an extremely long grip. So you can't conceal it anyway. If you compare Glock sales to XD sales, you will find the XD doesn't really have that great of an advantage anymore, if it ever did. It used to be the XD was about $100 cheaper than the Glock, and that is no longer the case. I am willing to bet that has kicked SA right in the ass. Couple that with the proven reliability of the Glock and the parts availability, and I am sure the Glock is still kicking the XDs ass. Lastly, Glock didn't make the G21SF to compete with the XD. They made it to compete for a government contract. Granted the contract was cancelled/postponed. But that only makes it better for us, doesn't it? They have to make their R&D money back somewhere. |
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The XD engineered a slightly slimmer grip by using thinner sidewalls than the Glock 21. And the metal mags are also a big help. One could make a Glock 21sf in the same fashion by applying those 2 principals and probably come up with something the same width as the XD45. One would also have to change out to a metal mag catch but since they are changing the design of that to ambi anyway.... |
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Here is the scoop on the G21 SF (slim frame). A copy of the article in the 2007 Glock annual. Enjoy. community.webshots.com/photo/2297245580055050080xxVdhw |
Linky no worky. |
| I wonder if (more like HOPE THAT) Glock will offer an optional upgrade for older G21s to the slimmer frame? I had all but given up on the G21 in favor of the XD-45 (I have small hands and the XD is MUCH more comfortable/usable to me, even though I prefer Glocks), but if I could have my G21s upgraded to the new frame (assuming it fits me as well as the XD, or at least close) I could recant my heresy and return to the Glock fold... |
| I doubt Glock will ever let you change frames, at least not without a premium check to them. When the XD .45 came out I said "The damn grip is too long, they need to make a 10 rd. gun on that frame and shorten the grip for CCW." Sure enough, they've done it. However, I still can't make myself buy one. I HATE the rail I've been seeing on the new Glock. Hopefully it will be a standard rail as the other is hideous. We'll see what the price is like. I may be interested in the 21 SF, but I want to hold one first. |
It worked earlier now it's getting too many hits, try at an off time. |
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Shot show as of yesterday---- From John Farnham --- Glock had their new 21SF on display. Upper is the same as a G21, but the grip is significantly smaller and slimmer. Basically, it's a G21 with a ROBAR grip-reduction and ambidextrous magazine release! The G21 has always been too big for my hand. The G21SF fits just fine! G21SF magazines will workin the G21, but not the other way around. In the entire Glock display, I didn't see any pistol with a manual safety. If one exists, they're not showing it! |
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There's pics of it HERE It seems to have a different rail than the 2007 Glock Annual cover pic floating around. |
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A member of Glocktalk spoke with a Glock rep and was told that there will be the option of having either the old style rail, or the new fruity-ass pic rail. Thank you, because I would not be seen in public with the new rail on my gun. I would like to know how mags will work one way but not the other and really hope they didn't change the mag at all. |
Glock cut a knotch on the front side of the new G21 mags for the ambi safety. The new mags will work in the older G21s but not the other way. ETA: 
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www.gunblast.com/images/SHOT2007/Day2/100_0328.jpg no cross bolt safety, or new rail seen **taken from gunblast.com |
if it uses the same mag as the G21, how do they make it slim? |
If someone gets it to work can they grab it and post it? |
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I was impressed by it. Definitely fits in the hand better. I couldn't care less about an ambi-mag release, but it doesn't bother me if it is there. Old mags will not work in it, as you guys know. It looks like they will if you take a bit of the plastic off of the front of the mag though. I asked about their plans for the 20 and they said that they don't have any plans to overhaul that one right now because it's not a very big seller for them. |
The only problem I see right now is all of a sudden these "ambi-mag releases" that don't enable older mags to work appears to be a "4th generation." Why would you buy any Glock mags (or Glocks) now if all models will eventually have "ambi-mag releases" that don't enable older mags to work? I think its a stupid move on Glock's part (no forward mag compatibility). Hmmmmm, maybe THATS why Glock mags are for sale all over the place  For us mag whores, mags are a significant investment - I don't think manufacturers really appreciate us HOs. That is, with high mag prices and compatibility issues.... 
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Oh - I'm totally with you bro. I get about 20 mags per pistol. So mags are a serious consideration when I'm buying in to a new weapon system. If the mags are too much, I won't buy the firearm no matter how nice it is. So yeah, mags are a serious investment for me too. If I were already invested in the original G21 I'd be pissed. But I'm not, so it's ok. If they do this for the rest of their line, I'm going to buy a spare 3rd gen G19, make sure I have enough mags for all my Glocks and never buy a Glock again. |
+1K.....the reason I wont buy HK pistols 20 mags x $39.99/each = 
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EXACTLY!!. I can't tell you how many times I've thought about buying an HK and didn't because HK won't support the market with a steady stream of non-restricted capacity magazines at a decent price. Not only are they tough to find, but they're stupid expensive. |
please share source so i can buy TwistedMonkey - let me know where you can find HK mags for cheap for desirable models such as .45 and tactical
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The HKs are nice, but they don't do anything that I can't get elsewhere for cheaper. Plus I don't like their policies of not really wanting to sell to civies hardly anything. So I just don't see a need to throw money away. If the HKs were clearly better than anything else, I'd own one -- no question. They're nice, and I'm not putting them down, but I can get something else that works for less. |
When i spoke with Glock at SHOT they said they had no plans what so ever to slim down the G20. They also kept referring to the 21SF as the Short frame not the slim frame. They were afraid people would confuse it with the slim frame 36 and figure it for a single stack. I like the look of the 1913 rail instead of the weaver as well. Could careless about the ambi mag release. Release date is scheduled for march sometime. J |