Posted: 12/5/2006 8:37:33 AM EDT
I've been shooting my G30 for about 6 years now. Throughout that time I've only been able to shoot "so-so" groups that I've not been happy with (it's not the gun,either). At 25yds,I'm all over an 8" diameter target. My results with my other firearms (DA revolvers,SA autos,etc) give far better groups at identical ranges. As many people at the range have demonstrated to me,it's not the pistol's mechanical accuracy at fault,but rather my own technique.  So far as I can tell, most of my problem with a normal grip stems from the first knuckle on my trigger finger pushing on the grip when I pull the trigger. It's similar to "milking the grip" or too much trigger finger to some degree,but I can't seem to avoid doing it,even dry firing. I've tinkered with my grip and received some guidance from guys at the range,and have found one particular grip method which produces smaller groups,but feels extemely awkward. Essentially it consists of moving my right hand slightly counterclockwise around the grip,so the backstrap is almost out of the web of my hand,and nearly on the thumb knuckle. I compensate with the left hand. That gets the offending trigger finger knuckle away from the frame,so that it doesn't push on the weapon when I pull the trigger. This seems to not be a problem on many of my other guns,particularly revolvers with smaller grips or light triggered SA autos. I've converted to the 3.5# connector,and tinkered with my grip,but I'm still not satisfied. I like the Glock for it's CCW advantages of simplicity,reasonable durability and it's small size and firepower,but the accuracy thing and the need to use a technique that feels very awkward is driving me nuts. Any other suggestions/opinions,or should I just give it up,stick with snubbies for a CCW and get a 1911 for shooting .45s? |
| I'm no range expert, although I am a range dork with my dept. and have not seen you shoot. My advice is to use the first pad of your index finger, pull straight back and learn where the GLOCK resets. Trigger reset is a big deal for shooting a GLOCK. Dry fire, dry fire...dry fire....did I say dry fire? Get used to the trigger and make sure when you pull the trigger the front sight doesn't move. Practice will improve your grouping. I have small to medium sized hands and the the G21 and G30 are literally a hand full for me, much prefer the G36 or my .40 cals. |
I've dry fired like crazy. That and some advice were how I ended up using the grip that gives me better results,but feels like it gives me very little control of the weapon. I can always feel the reset,and I do use the tip of my finger,but unfortunately that just moves the knuckle of my crooked trigger finger into even more contact with the grip,which exacerbates the "milking" problem. Essentially I think I have to have that area of the grip under my trigger finger knuckle removed in order to take a normal grip without moving the pistol when I pull the trigger. I'm thinking about ditching it and going with a 1911,which I shoot reasonably well. I hate selling guns though.... |
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A couple of thoughts here. The short sight radius of the GLOCK 30 is less forgiving on proper sight picture. Try comparing your groups with another gun that you fire well, like a Commander size 1911. 25 yards is pretty long for self defense situations. 10 yards is typically the longest range I practice at, consistently, with my CCW piece. Anything beyond that is, IMHO, pretty much out of the range for self-defense. 8" groups at 25 yards is not terrible, really (except on the internet, where group size is a measure of penis-length). Considering the sight-radius of the pistol, and size of the kill area on a human, I would not be ashamed of shooting that group. |
Sight picture is part of it. However I shoot 3-5" with a 4" .357/.38 (also a short sight picture) at the same range. Some of the guys at the local range have shot very good groups with this weapon at 25yds. I'm not the handiest with thick bladed sights. I tend to do much better with narrow sight blades. Shooting a few good 1911s at the range is really what soured me I guess. One was an old modified Colt,and the other a nice Kimber carry. I shot very well with both.
I guess I need to just try some other folks weapons out and decide whether to just deal with it,or trade it for a "fun" but less carry oriented pistol like a stock GI 1911. |
Try swapping the sights. I think the Heinie Straight Eights have a narrower front site.
IMHO, just deal with it. The GLOCK has a major reliability factor going for it. Add to that the higher magazine capacity, and I can't think of a downside versus the other options you've posted so far. |
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