[ARCHIVED THREAD] - How dependable are Glocks? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 12/4/2006 4:55:14 PM EDT
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Im in the market for a new gun. And Ive heard allot of goods from this company and that their guns rarely go bad. Its 99.9% always dependable and ready to go in any abuse? Is this true? Because I want a dependable gun. Of course proper care is always taken with my riffles and I always clean them to a point I can eat off them (thats after removing the lube and oil off it of course)... But what are the problems with Glocks? Because there has to be issues with them. Just like the walterP22.. I thought it was a good cheap ammo gun until I read around and see its nothing but issues. Yet for the Glock Im only seeing broken pins after 2K rounds with one member... Is there anything else I should be worry about? Thanks. Bene hunting for 2 months and cant decide yet. |
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The only issue I see with them is user technique...(not user error). The frame is light, and so there is little mass to help keep things in place for the action to unlock. It is easier to limp wrist malfunction a Glock than a lot of other guns with heavier frames. I also think that anyone limp wristing a pistol probably needs to work on technique, so this isn't really a fair limitation of the gun. |
rimfire ammo vs. centerfire ammo. big differance. I've always gotten a few duds out of a brick of .22's. Have not had that problem with 9mm. Do a search for bigbore's G21 thread (torture test). |
Glocks are far more reliable than women. If i went so many rounds with a lady i can assure you i'd break her. Glocks require a great deal less maintenence than cars. I've changed my oil 3 times since the last time i cleaned and lubed my glock. |
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I am not a Glock owner nor will I probably ever own one, but they are very good weapons. The weakest link I know of (at least heard about) is there was a time they really did not like some reloads with the stock barrel system. Change barrels and you solve that problem. I try and not bash Glocks, because I know they work and work well. I just do not like the trigger system. I you shoot one and like it then buy one. |
The point is, they are not magic. Sometimes they break, sometimes they stovepipe. They are just much better than average. |
I own GLOCKs, I own SIGs, I own revolvers, I've rented XD's, I've borrowed 1911's. All are fine weapons and when I see one I can much easier have doubts about the shooter than the weapon. |
C_J, I'm guessing you've had years of experience with them? |
| Bigbores G21 torture test is what put me over the edge to get my G19 for a shtf type gun, but its become my primary ccw, relegating my two awesome Sigs to range duty. Its not as accurate as my P228, but its certainly accurate enough, and its super easy to carry. I love it, got a second G19 on the way. |
My first handgun was a Glock 21. Every day it rides around under my right arm, in the console of my truck. I have also owned a 19 and used other models. So yes. |
| im know im not on the round count other people are but ive put about 2500 rounds threw my model 23 and the only problem i ever had was i was desperate to shoot and got a cheap box of re loads from a local shop. i didnt know they were re loads cause i didnt look before i baught. that will never happen again. i shot about 20 of them and they were weak loads and jammed. and the ones that did eject flew right back into my head,and some out and to the right, tossed the rest in the trash. but besides that never had a FTF or FTE. nothing breaking. the only thing i do not trust in a glock is the guide rod. ive only seen and heard of a few breaking and still worked but i just didnt trust the rods so i got a SS guide rod and new 18lb spring for it. as far as how reliable are they?...........i trust my life with a glock over any other gun. ive been around all kinds and glocks just seem to be the best in my opinion. i think of a glock as a bull doser. ugly yes, but will last and function no matter what abuse it is given. |
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I have owned or still own a little from about every one of the "big" names in handguns out there. If I could only keep one handgun from everything I have ever owned or currently owned, it would be a Glock (probably a G34). Like said before, they are not perfect and nothing is - just much better than average and taking everything into consideration (reliability, durability, ease of maintenance, mag and parts availability/prices, accuracy, cost, simplicity, etc.) the best all-around handgun for two-legged animals, IMO. |
MAN thats one good link.. Is that only for the 21 or all models of it in general? Im steering towards the glock. Its not that ugly looking. |
You can apply it to any of the design. I had one 23 New in box, with just the factory copper lube on it, and immediatly ran it for 3000 rounds in a couple of courses in the time of a week. Not one failure, and this was with low powered inddor shoot house loads. |
Damn! I'm at a loss for words here. Can't beat that. 
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My G17 has been 100000000% reliable. I used to have a G19 that would jam constantly. Hollow points would hang up on the bottom of the feedramp at least once per mag. I tried the mag upgrades, and even bought a couple of mags with the latest generation followers (I think it was 4th or 5th gen followers) to no avail. It definately wasn't a mag problem as the jams were occuring with full mags, half-full mags, and on the last couple of rounds. Every time I bring this up, everybody insists that I'm wrong and don't know what I'm talking about, but I KNOW I'm right about this. The problem was this: there is no intermediate feedramp built into the frame, so it relied on the barrel tilt to ensure the bullet hit the feedramp in the right spot to reliably feed without hanging up. The barrel would sometimes flop down after recoil (due to sloppy, loose machine work in the slide) before the slide began to return to battery, ramming edge of the hollow point directly into the sharp edge at the bottom of the feed ramp. In a nutshell, the slide was failing to hold the barrel at the proper tilt under recoil. A few hours of research online confirmed that I wasn't the only one to experience this problem, and there was a certain range of serial numbered G19's that had this problem. |
What did you do to fix this problem? Is it only that model? Im fixing to hit by the gun shop tomrowow and check them out. |
Can't say I'm not honest, cause I'm dumb enough to admit this On the way to a class this fall I stopped at a Gander mountain and bought some stuff to clean my Glock 19, I usually get CLP but they didn't have it so I bought something else. Turns out it was a cleaner WITHOUT SOLVENT. I managed to get my Glock COMPLETELY bone dry  It ran fine for about 1000 rounds, then started to have some probelms feeding so I AGAIN used the same stuff. It still made it to about 1400 rounds before it started to not feed rounds. This was over 1400 rounds over the course of less than two days through a completely bone dry pistol.Glocks from my experience with them and obsserving others are EXTREMELY reliable pistols. I have heard people I know claim that Sigs are similar (though they are alittle biased I think). 1911s aren't. I see 'em crap out all the time. Neat guns, pretty with nice triggers, won't run with Glocks as far as reliability with just standard cleaning. People will tell that only crappy 1911s, or ones that have been modified poorly, won't work. That is not true. edit-after a DOH! moment on the way home I figured what I had done, gooped the glock up good and it once again runs 100% |
If by cheap you mean low quality, it's not. If this is your 1st handgun get the 19. That safety is all you need. Just get some good training and don't touch the trigger till you're ready to shoot. |
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But what are the problems with Glocks? Is there anything else I should be worry about? Yes, there are problems with Glocks. The first category are issues generated by people who use Glocks and insist on not cleaning them, using reloads, or torture testing them. Paranthetically, I would like to read a posting by some guy who deliberately filled his Glock with mud and rocks and quite expectedly it blew up injuring him. The second category of issues are those caused by misdesign of parts or defects in the manufacture. In a world where no one admits to making a mistake, when you read about a system's "upgrade" from the manufacturer, you can read into the "upgrade" that something wasn't done right the first time and do the "upgrade" without delay. So, if you buy an older Glock and there is an "upgrade", do it! The third category of issues are taking the gun apart and losing parts in the process. The only cure is to buy doubles, over buy on spare parts (to save on postage, no less) or never take your gun apart. |
Being machines, anything that can go wrong with one has gone wrong in the past and will again, but they work pretty well, and the odds are pretty small that you will ever have major difficulties. |
, I can't say that about any other handgun I own.
.45 is a great round for a beginner IMHO, it just has some intimidation factor associated with it for whatever reason. It's a big, slow moving, low pressure round. I've never fired a .45 that I found more difficult to control than a 9mm, the .40 is far worse. I'd also play the other side here, I own no glocks, and I probably won't. The grip angle is all wrong for me, and I also don't like the trigger system or safety overmuch. I haven't heard anything about Glocks NDing, but I don't like the idea that if I have to grab for it in the dark, or I'm holstering where I can't see, the trigger could get hung up on something and cause the gun to fire. I much prefer something with either a grip safety (1911, XD), a DA/SA with a long hard DA trigger pull (Sig), or a manual safety (1911, HK). The safety issue though is a far far distant second to the grip situation. I don't like the grip angle, I don't particularly like the "finger grooves", and I don't like not being able to change the grips out to put something I like on it like I can with my 1911 or Sig. If the grip feels natural to you personally, then there's no real reason to not get one. They are generally reliable and safe, and the dot+notch sights are a great innovation, I love the sight picture of a Glock. |
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Have had,or have right now a G19, G26, G30, G21...only problem EVER was from reloads (G30..wouldn't cycle slide) or from Balzer aluminum cased ammo...(G19 failure to eject)...as long as I avoid reloads and Blazer, they all shot 100%, dirty, clean, don't matter..and they hit where you aim...this over a period of 12 years....XD45 might match them, but I haven't had it long enough yet. I bet I have put several thousands of rounds downrange without a problem. I would pick up a Glock for any task at hand...and be 100% confident in it. G26 is the easiest to carry concealed and you can get an adapter for G19 mags..it's like having a 16 shot snubbie. fred |
[glocktalk] You used wooden bullets it's your own fault it broke!!![/glocktalk] 
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The Glock 21SF is supposed to have an ambidextrous magazine release, picatinny rail, and possibly (probably?) an external safety. The grip will be the same size as the current 21, as the mag size has not changed. Glock is (supposedly) coming out with a full size version of the 36, and THAT is the one that already has the slim grip. I think.
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Some of the problems to look out for on Glocks are the trigger spring can break or get weak causing trigger rest trouble. The slide lock spring can break causing the slide to come off. At the moment I am have a mystery problem with my G22, the first round fails to fire when loaded from a magazine but not often enough to diagnose the problem. I will either replace the upper parts or send it back to Glock. Glocks do need to be cleaned to operate, I have personally witnessed this and helped a fellow shooter with a malfunctioning Glock. I took it apart, wiped the internal parts clean and no problems from then on. The above problems have happened to one of my 12 Glocks or I have assisted in the repair of said problem. Some of the more common problems mentioned on the internet are the Ka-Boom issue, just use good ammo. Limpwristing, learn how to shoot. I am a Glock fan but they can and do have just as many problems as other comparable brands. If I had to choose a gun out of the box to defend my life with it would be a Glock, just don't buy into that Glock is perfect crap. Any body that says their gun hasn't screwed up doesn't shoot it enough. I have shot and witnessed many 1000's of rounds down range with Glocks. I have also seen more problems with them than I would have expected. Part of that is because over half to three-fourths of the shooters I know use Glock. What to do? Buy a Glock, any caliber you like, and shoot the crap out of it. Any problems? get a set of replacement springs/parts to keep on hand, learn how to take it apart, fix it or send it to Glock to get fixed. Chances are you'll go 20-30,000 rounds before you need to worry about it. |
For a midrange gun they are more reliable than any highend gun I have ever owned, including my Sig 220, HK USP 40, and of course my Wilson CQB, which is sold now cause of reliability issues. The only other gun as reliable as mt Glocks is my P7M8, but they cost almost 3 times as much
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oh wtf............ |
Never had that problem. Just FYI. |