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10/8/2006 9:26:17 PM EDT
Hey all I was out shooting my G19 the other day at 90 feet (had to shoot at this distance there was no choice in the matter), and let me tell you I coulndnt hit crap! I have heard people talk about how they can shoot at paper plate sized targets at 100 yards and hit it all day long. So I was wondering what the hell I am doing wrong?

I was maily using WWB 115 grain ammo. But I did also shoot 30 rounds of 147 grain speer GDHP with the same results as well. The gun is all stock with the exception of Meprolight night sights. Can someone post a pic of the proper sight picture or something. I have no idea if it is me, the ammo, or the sites. I think that 90 feet is kind of far to shoot at things with a pistol but it is not as extreme as these 100 yards shots that I have heard about in the past.
10/8/2006 9:51:32 PM EDT
[#1]
Where are your shots impacting? Low and left?  Everywhere? Sight picture should have equal amounts of light on either side of the front sight. The top of the front sight should be level with the top of the rear. Make sure you are focusing on the front sight. Your target and  your rear sights should be slightly blurry. Make sure that you are using the pad of your trigger finger and not the first joint. You want to use the pad behind the nail of your finger. Make sure you have a proper grip on the pistol. I recommend watching this video for a good explanation of a proper grip.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysa50-plo48
10/8/2006 10:00:21 PM EDT
[#2]
Shooting at distance, accurately, requires a fair mastery of the fundamentals. Probably few things you do will be more important that smooth steady pressure to the rear, on the trigger. Start up close, say 5 yards, and work on shooting a 3/4 X 3/4 pasty. When you can knock that pasty to crap at that range, back up.

I know a lot of folks that can hit moving targets (12 X 18 plate on an MGM running man) at 100 yards, with a pistol. Sometimes, I can even include myself in that group. The difference between a shooter and a good shooter is simply mastering the fundamentals.

One last thing... Everyone finds that the trigger finger position on a Glock will need tweaking. Depending on your grip, you may inadvertantly push to the right or left. If your trigger squeeze isn't perfectly straight to the rear, this will compound the error left or right.

Lastly, shots at 100 yards or better with a 9mm are somewhat reliant on repetitive ammunition performance. Match ammo would obviously be better, but it can be done without it.
10/8/2006 10:22:15 PM EDT
[#3]
+1 on the fundamentals; begin at a closer range--like 7 yards, for its easier to see and hit, easier to see where you shoot or miss (after your string), and practice dryfiring at home

Video

just a tad past the tip of the finger, 'press' straightback, rearward;
how's the grip? mod iso is great--60-70% grip w/ the weak hand, 30-40% w/ the strong hand, high hand, weak hand concentrates on JUST the ''press'' of the trigger, your mind concentrates on the front sight on the target.....trigger press initiates and gun goes off in a surprise as you continue on concentrating on the front sight...

these might help also:
1
2

online tutorials to help:

Jared
UPSA

books:
SURGICAL SPEED SHOOTING by andy standford

hope this helps, good luck



10/8/2006 11:42:37 PM EDT
[#4]
Thanks guys alot of helpful info here. I do have a little problem though. About 10 years ago on my trigger finger I ended up sliceing down to the bone my trigger finger. I have to pull the trigger with the first joint of my trigger finger. The best that I can do is very slightly before the first joint on my trigger finger I can use without much pain.
10/9/2006 8:11:31 PM EDT
[#5]
Kevin, if that's where you have to position your finger then I would recommend setting up in your house or somewhere and dryfire the weapon while aiming at a target around a 20' to 40' distance. Watch that front sight while following through with the trigger pull and see where it pulls. Since your trigger finger is handicapped and you have to use the first knuckle then you will see a slight pull especially at the longer distances. Once you find where it's pulling then you can play with grip pressure to compensate for it.

Good luck
10/22/2006 6:35:54 PM EDT
[#6]
good info..