[ARCHIVED THREAD] - why such hate for a glock (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 9/9/2006 4:49:34 AM EDT
| I dont understand why there is such hate for a glock..I owne a G17,S&W1911,walther ppk (original from germany)and a king cobra...i love my glock ..It is what it is and what you make out of it..I mean you should really know what your buying before you buy it..Its the best in my opinion combat gun in the world..And being so versitile to change calibers how could you bitch about it..My 2 cents...thanx..GLOCK ON>>> |
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It is just different... some guys will even badmouth an AR-15 or an AK until they try them both (Can you imagine?) I was slow to go to Glocks but these days I own eight handguns and six of them are Glocks... I love them and I have no problem relying on them for my self and home defense needs. The fact that they all work and feel about the same regardless if it is a little Glock 26 or the Glock 21 is a plus to me.... |
1) Single action only pistol with a crap trigger, but called 'safe action' to sell to agencies terrified of (ironically, safer) SAO weapons... 2) Patently unsafe design... No idiot-switch.. The only mechanical safety in the entire weapon is mounted on the trigger, defeating the entire purpose of a mechanical safety (which is to prevent firing if the trigger is improperly/accidentally pulled)... No way of de-cocking or taking down the weapon without pulling the trigger... 3) Their .40cal pistols have a reputation for exploding... |
Nothing you said is true, except maybe the .40 thing but it hasnt been proven to me yet that glock 40s kaboom more than anyone elses. Glock does not have a single action trigger. Its more like an action and a half. For a DAO type trigger it isnt bad. Its also very consistent which means you can learn to shoot it well very quickly. Safeties? We dont need no stinkin safties, while I have had an ND it wasnt with any of the Glocks I own it was with a 1911 |
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A Big +1 to that. I think your analysis of things is dead on. I currently own three Glocks (17,26,21) and they've been, were and are heads above what was available on the market back in the late 20th century. Definitely some good design work and out-of-the-box thinking went into it. Credit were credit is due. But just like anything else, its by no means the "perfect" design. A great design, yes; a Glock has a lot to offer, but denying that over time improvements and refinements are possible/needed because its perfect is just failing into the same trap that Gaston has fallen into in believing his own PR/ad campaigns. By my count, there are five(5) different design variants of Glocks out there on the market. Come forward 15 years into the 21st century. Glocks aren't the same powerhouse on the market that they use to be. Their prices aren't that much better than guns with similar features. And there are quite a few guns out there with similar features out there these days They raised the bar, but the competition is catching up. No one really dislikes Glocks, but quite and maybe more people are starting to feel that they're not quite as perfect anymore as they promote themselves to be. That's my $0.02 -Frank
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Well, I can speak from 15 years of experience with this fabulous pistol, they are perfect in every aspect. I am a police officer and when our dept switched from the Sigs to the Glocks, my dept's (as a whole) scores increased to nothing below a 90% qualifying rate. I cannot say the same about the guns with the da/sa triggers on them, like the Sig. I am not bashing the da/sa guns, but the glocks are great. I love it when guys tell me that they are unsafe, then I retract with, why, its just like a revolver that is actually safer. If you do not want to shoot the gun, DO not put your finger on the trigger and they are as safe or safer than a revolver. Glocks got alot of bad press for awhile because people were accidentally shooting the gun when they got scared, stressed, etc. This is because they had their finger on the trigger which we all know is a big NO,NO! The Glock is a great example of the "KISS" principle, it is very easy to use under stress and is a great design to boot. I have had numerous Glocks over the years and have never had any problems with them at all. Now, I will say that they are not as pretty as some of the guns on the market, but I buy my guns to shoot, so pretty means nothing to me. They go bang every time, not many parts to break (if they actually do break) which I have never had to replace a broken part in any of my Glocks now. I have a 19 thata has had about 10,000 rounds through it and the best part of it, the gun is so broke in that is is soooo smooth now, just like my duty 23. It seems the guns get better with age, shot after shot. |
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I hate them and I can tell you why. I hate that my G19 has ruined me from carrying anything else... for my first decade of CCW I changed primary guns several times looking for the ideal compromise for me of size/weight/power/capacity. I started carrying a G19 12+ years ago and it has robbed me of my desire to change! I hate them for being so reliable that I no longer engage in tweaking and customizing my carry-guns -- they are just so doggone boring! I hate them for forcing me into compulsive buying -- I buy one every time I come across a really good deal on one, whether I need it or not. I recently bought my eleventh one, and I've only parted with one ever (a .45GAP model  ). Disgusting!I hate that they inspire confidence such that some people do go overboard with claims of "perfection" which engender such strife. No machine is perfect, but Glocks in general are very good, reliable firearms at a reasonable price and, for me, they work very well. I find the rhetoric (on both sides) sad. How do I hate Glocks? Let me count the ways... 
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A big +1 on the revolver aspect. Wheelguns were in existence for YEARS before glocks and no one ever faulted them for the lack of an active safety (i.e, 1911, Beretta, etc). The fact that it does not have an active safety per say has the benefit that a shooter does not rely on it. If the gun fires, it has done what it was designed to do and if it has been fired, it should be at it's destined target. Hence the purpose of keeping one's finger off the trigger until the target (paper or otherwise) is confirmed. About the only 'negative' aspect of the glock is the aesthetic feature. I personally would not call a Glock "pretty" by any means. However, I do believe in funtion over form in firearms. |
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Because its "the thing" to do supposedly. Yes, to me, having a gun that goes bang every time makes it the thing to do. Basically the same as the Colt AR kool aid. Some people think we only like them because they're "cool" because of LE and movies. I think its cool because I know I can trust my life to it. I don't give two shits how pretty my gun is because I didn't buy it to show to my friends. Remember "Custom 1911s are what you show your friends, GLOCKs are what you show your enemies." |
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I just got my second Glock a Glock 19. I traded my taurus 24/7 and a little cash for a Glock 26 that has been my carry piece. I do carry in the pocket of my shorts and it feels good to shoot. I had a Taurus 745 and 200 rounds of 45ACP that I traded for a FN Police shotgun and 600 rounds of 9mm and 250 12 gauge hunting ammo, and 10 slugs and 10 OO Buckshot. Did i liek the Taurus yes for the most part. Do I like Glocks? I love my Glocks and I hope to have a G17 one day too. Maybe next year I can. Scott |
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I think many dislike the Glock for the following reasons. 1) Glocks are non-traditional in form. 2) Glocks are non-tradition in design. 3) Glocks are seen as trendy. Myself - I have no great love for a Glock. I think they are aesthetically unappealing, I find the trigger not as smooth as other pistols, and so many people hear "Glock" in rap songs, which is a big turn off. I also shoot the best with a Glock 17 with little practice, than with any other pistol (other than pistols in the $1k range). They are also reliable to a fault, accurate, tough, and inexpensive. They may never win any beauty contests, but they are excellent pistols. |
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I think people, especially old timers have a hard time beleiving that a "plastic" gun can work as great as a Glock does and it doesn't need anything done to it. You can shoot it right out of the box and it will be accurate and reliable for an extremely long time if not forever. ETA: I think I figured it out, it's just plain old ignorance. These people hear all these great stories about the Glock but since they have never used one they refuse to beleive it's true. They are ignorant of the fact that the Glock is pretty much the best battle pistol ever. On a side note. I was at one time one of these ignorant people. I thought the Glock was just a bunch of over blown hype and then I tried one and bought one and found out they are the real deal |
Only an idiot would need an idiot switch. The last thing I want on a CCW, Home Defense, or SHTF handgun is an extra mechanical safety or any other decockers and levers/switches/grip safeties/integral locks/all the extra crap some of the gunmakers put on them. The Glock is more than safe enough if you don't pull the trigger, IMO. There are no substitutes for intelligence and practice. I'm not going to even discuss points 1 and 3. 
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Anyone who can't safely handle a GLOCK also can't safely handle a revolver or anything else more dangerous than a #2 pencil. |
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I remember the first time I handled a Glock in the gun store, what a cheap feeling piece of crap! I commented to the salesman that it should have Mattel stamped on it somewhere. But after bad experiences with S&W pistols, HKs, Colts, Rugers and even a Beretta, I tried a G-20 and was hooked for life. My son bitches when I go to the gun store as to how he's tired of always buying Glocks. He'll learn! 230JHP |
This is the drival that I was talking about. Some people can only make themselves feel good by trying to denigrate others. 
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I never understood why people complain about Glocks not having an external safety. The 3 passive ones are more than enough and they make the gun plenty of safe. Besides the real safety is that thing on top of your shoulders, if you don't know better not to put your finger inside the trigger guard until your ready to fire then you don't belong handling guns. The fact that there is no external safety is one of the reasons I love my Glock. When that bump in the middle of the night happens or that drug addict mugger strikes I don't have to worry about wasting my time flicking a safety off. I can just draw and if need be fire; simple and that is one of the reasons the Glock is so great |
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Here's my Glock story. * Owned a Beretta. * Had an open mind about Glocks. * Bought a Glock. * Shot my Glock a lot. * Gave credit to the Glock rep/hype. * Bought another Glock. * Bought yet another Glock. * Had my Glock malfunction big time. * Went to a backup Glock. * Opened my eyes to the real world. * Rebuilding failed Glock. * Did post-mortem on malfunction. Learned my lesson: Glocks are a high quality gun, but they're not perfect. Like any other gun, they will wear out. But 95% of the population will never see that day. My $0.02 again, -Frank, "Talk to me after you put 20K rounds through your Glock."
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Flicking a WELL DESIGNED safety may not take any time, but most stuff isn't as well designed as the 1911. Until the 80's or early 90's 1911 style weapons had bad a bad rep for reliablity out of the box, and a bad rep for feeding anything other than FMJ. A lot of that has been taken care of. Next, "lack of a safety", is a bullshit arguement. How many people that make it then turn around and talk about their SIG? Where were the safeties on revolvers? How many people, that know two bits about firearms, would carry a CHL piece, other than a 1911/HP, with the safety engaged? It should be loaded chamber, hammer down, safety off. |
Sure....or not. Considering I have quite a bit of experience with 1911s, I'm bringing others down because I won't replace my GLOCK with one? Give me a break. Because I like Redwing and Danner work boots I'm bringing down people that prefer Rockies? Get a clue. |
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I had the chance to shoot a friend's XD and liked it so much I am looking to purchase one in the next few months. Very good pistols and accurate too. After the XD I am thinking of an H&K USP in .45. |
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Here is my .02 worth... Had a Ruger .45 and carried the thing for years as my CCW firearm. It was ok but I was never overly comfortable with it. Shot a friends SIG many times in 9mm and really didn't care for it at all. Didn't like how it felt in my grip. Shot another friends Beretta quite a bit. It was an ok pistol but never really got that comfortable with it. Bought an HK USP 45 and LOVED that pistol. Shot many, many, many rounds through that pistol. Bought my wife a 2nd Gen Glock 17 because she wanted one. I hated the concept of the Glock, thought it looked like hell and felt even worse. Over the years I shot that 17 more and more. Ended up carrying it a lot because it was so much lighter than my Ruger. Shot the hell out of that pistol, probably 5k rounds in about 2 years through that thing. I never even learned how to detail strip it. Just did a normal field strip and cleaned the barrel, nothing else. I realized that I had stopped shooting or carrying the Ruger but I love the .45 round so I traded that Ruger in and got a Glock 36 for CCW. I LOVE this pistol and it goes everywhere with me. I trust my life every day to that handgun. Bought a Glock 22 because I wanted to try out the .40 cartridge. I never really liked that round or that pistol that much so I traded it in for a Glock 21. I got the 21 last year and since have put about 1.5k rounds through it. Everything from WWB to Wolf and I've had zero problems out of it. I have since learned to detail strip a Glock and find them to be the easiest pistol in the world to clean. Since I got that 21 I have since gotten rid of my HK because I never shot it again. I used to love that thing and stopped shooting it totally in the last year. Over the years I've shot a Kimber 1911 as well as a S&W 1911 quite a bit, I HATE cleaning the 1911. I've shot the XD quite a bit recently and am considering buying one sometime. That long winded post just to say that I started out hating the Glock design but I was won over by it's total reliability. YMMV |
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I make use of a Glock everyday. They are a highly functional tool. I have zero hate for them, but I dont have an affection for them like I do the 1911. MY 1911s run, and my Glocks have never blown up. I think BOTH 1911 fans and Glock fans spend WAY too much time trolling each other on the internet with unfounded bullshit. People need to grow up. |
True. Slide mounted safeties are stupid.
Agreed. I don't see an advantage to NOT having a safety, but I don't need one either. |
They are the two greatest pistols in the world, IMHO. Lets gang up on the Sig and Ruger fans! 
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| Mostly, I think, it's resentment of the GLOCK's success. Like it or not, GLOCK is the most popular brand of handgun among law enforcement and civilians alike. There will always be those who have some degree of bitterness towards what is on top of any given field. The truth is, there are many more people who like GLOCKs than don't, or they wouldn't be number one. |
| It took me a long time to come around to the "Glock concept".The thought of a plastic gun just turned me off period.Then I ended up buying a HK,USP .40 and rethought the whole plastic gun thing.Last year I bought A G17 and think it's by far the best pistol I ever owned.It's the only one that has never malfunctioned at all.I know there is no such thing as the perfect weapon.But I do think my Glock is as reliable as any weapon can be made. |
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Quoted:1) Single action only pistol with a crap trigger, but called 'safe action' to sell to agencies terrified of (ironically, safer) SAO weapons... uhmm...not quite. Definition of a double action - when the trigger is pulled, the firing mechanism cocks and then fires subsequently. When you pull the trigger on a glock, it retracts the firing pin against its firing pin spring, eventually release, moving forward and striking the primer. It is a double action, but with no automatic trigger reset. Until you start pulling the trigger, there is no drive to move the firing pin forward, nor is there a hammer with a spring waiting precariously to slam down on the firing pin. Those facts couple with the firing pin block make the glock a very "safe action" pistol. Don't want to shoot? DON'T PULL THE TRIGGER! Thats a basic thing BTW, I love pretty much every other major brand pistol too - 1911, beretta, XD, Sig's HK's,...so this isn't brand preference by any means |
Not that theres a 1911 cult following or anything.
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I hated glocks. I poked fun at everyone that liked them untill I gave one an honest try. I know replced my SHTF pistol from my SA Stainless Loaded to a glock 21. I still like my 1911, but I think the glock is better suited for a combat role. Things change, cars get better, computers, and yes guns become better, lighter, higher cap, ect. ect. Some people just can't handle that. IMHO Icon |
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because of this.......Glock 21 love hate I have yet to see another competetors Combat handgun do that. By the way.... I just went over 60,000 rounds thru my G21 yesterday at the range.. I do HATE the fact that it is a boring pistol... Geez....Out of the box near perefction. |
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For me personally, it was the fact they were so trendy combined with the homeboy aspect. When lay people think gun, they think Glock. I've told people in the past about owning firearms, and they've almost always said "You own a Glock?". Plus, the gangbanger BS. Go to the gun store/show and who're eyeballing the Glocks? Gangbangers (and gangbanger wannabes). It wasn't until I actually looked at a bunch of options for a CCW rig that I came to the conclusion that a Glock was my best bet for several reasons. Now that I have it, I'm already wanting another one!
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