Posted: 5/30/2006 4:08:18 AM EDT
| Ok...I've HAD IT!! I am done trying to get 1911 style 45's to fuction reliably enough to trust my life to. I am really leaning towards a Glock 30 for CCW primary weopon. How well do they conceal? What kind of accuracy and reliability OUT OF BOX should I expect from one? Any other model I should consider instead of a G30? I need a CCW gun I can count on, and heave read many places that Glock is the way to go?? |
If you like the glock then by all means buy one. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones that's never bought a 1911 that didnt run right  Go find a range that will let you rent a couple of the variants you're interested in and try them out for yourself. The only person that will convince you a glock is right for you is yourself  Since you posted this in the glock forum I wont get into other makes/models that may suit your needs. That's better left in the general handgun forum. |
AMEN my Brother! I've never had one 1911 that wouldn't at least fail to feed in some fashion every once in a while. It's always just enough to drive you crazy! My most reliable 1911 Ironically was a Chinese Norinco. But eventually it started to fuck up too. It's that little misfeed that just requires a tap on the bottom of the mag (and then the slide goes back into battery) that will drive you NUTS! Why? Why out of 200 rounds does it insist on doing that? Shit! I've fired thousands of rounds with the glock format without the slightest hint of a hickup. |
| I've had my share of 1911's and while I do like them, I must admit that my G30 pretty much does everything my 1911's have done. The accuracy out of the Glock 30 amazing. The recoil of the G30 is quite manageable as well. Even though the grip is fat, it is comfortable even for those with smaller hands, and I find the added thickness of the grip /backstrap spreads the recoil over a wider portion of your hand making it pleasant to shoot. Surprisingly, in chrono testing. the 3.8" barrel in the G30 falls just a bit short of the 5" 1911 barrel. This is due to the polygonal, hammer forged barrel used in the Glocks. I have found the G30 to pack nicely in a OWB holster, and at 24 oz empty, I wouldn't consider it to be a heavyweight. Reliability? It's a Glock, no discussion needed here. The Glock 30 is a winner in my book, and as someone once wrote, their definition of a $3,000 45 acp is a Volkswagen with a G30 in the glove box. |
I just got out of the 1911s. I wanted a CCW chambered in 45acp. Ended up with a G30. Had a Para-Ordnance P12 as a CCW. It concealed ok. Was rather heavy though. The G30 is weighs a lot less than the P12. It conceals pretty good. Have a Kramer IWB holster for it. Conceals with a t-shirt hanging over it while wearing blue jeans or denim shorts. Its comfortable enough. Considering that it holds 11 rounds of 45acp, it's a fairly "small" package. Accuracy wise, it's just as accurate as my on-duty G22. Maybe more so once I get more range time with it. There is also the G36, if the G30 grip is too big for you. Of course, you will be losing about 4 rounds of 45acp going with the G36, unless you get some mag extensions. I would definitely check out a G30. |
If'n your into the .45 thing, the 30 is the way to go. I kinda abandoned the idea that the .45 was the only game in town awhile back (after seeing a few shootings and going to a ballistics workshop where we spent all day killing expensive jello). I like the 19/23/32 size best, but it's hard to pry people away from the .45 ACP (my search warrant gun is still a 21 in that caliber - love it). I too bought/screwed with many a 1911 before finally throwing my hands up in disgust and going Glock. Love 'em now. Hope you have good luck with them also, but there are many options out there now. I would go to a range that rents guns and try one on first if you have the chance, or hunt someone down who owns one and borrow it. Have fun. |
| I was totally a 1911 guy. Even carried a Colt Gold Cup as a duty weapon for years. Then the faithful day came that I rented a Glock 30. It was ugly as hell and built like a box but it ran and ran. For the money you cannot beat it. Its a Timex of weapons, takes a licking and keeps on ticking. |
I don't think I've ever heard it put better than that.
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You haven't bought one that's expensive enough yet. Once you get one that's 100% you'll know what all the 1911 fuss is all about. |
Oh I understand the "fuss". I love shooting my 1911s. I didn't sell them off. I just don't trust my life to the design. And I'm not going to spend 2 grand on a Wilson Combat that MIGHT be 99.87% reliable when I could buy 4 Glocks for the same money that will always be 100% reliable. The 1911 phase is a macho thing that many guys go through. I went through it too. But I've watched TOO MANY students fiddle fuck with their nifty 1911s (Including Louie Auerbach) to ignore the obvious. |
| The super compacts conceal great! Accuracy is good enough for defense/offense, standard Glocks are not comp guns they are fighting guns, reliability 100% I have never had any issues with my 19 that is not ammo related. In addition if you have any sense whatsoever you can add parts to them. This weekend in a little bit of time I put a new extended magazine release, extended slide release and a new york 1 trigger spring in my 19 to increase the pull from 5.5 to 8 pounds. I will be doing the same to my wife's 26 this upcoming weekend when the parts come in. For a CCW gun the Glock is awesome! GO shoot one at a range and see for yourself. |
+1 Glock accuracy will never be that of a good 1911, but I'll take reliability over precision every day of the week. |
Are you saying that the 1911 is like an external penis to some?  |
I didn't mean a Wilson either. |
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A G 30 for CCW in comparison to a 1911 that is not running well is a no brainer. A std glock will outrun just about any off the shelf 1911 with any ammo. What is nice about a glock is you can pick ammo up off the floor at the range and shoot it. You don't TUNE a glock to run, you just pull the trigger. Granted, a shitty 1911 has a better trigger and can be more accurate, but they fall apart, jam, cost a forturne and break down. 1911s are about like british cars, or worse yet, Renaults. You will notice that both countries do not export cars any more BTW Get the glock and abuse it for a while, wosrt case you can sell it used for about 15% off what you paid and no for yourself what we are talking about. You will also save at least $1000 in the process |
MINI Cooper, Jaguar, Land Rover, Aston Martin, Bentley, Rolls Royce, Lotus
Nope to just about every one of those. Check out who owns each one. |
Not really. My Colt M1991-A1, which was the most accurate pistol I've ever owned, had a much worst trigger out of the box than any glock. I swear that fucking thing was like 14 pounds. But a trigger job fixed that. |
I know FORD owns Jaguar, Aston Martin & Land Rover (& Volvo & Mazda) & BMW owns MINI & Rolls-Royce & VW/Audi owns Bentley (& Lamborghini & Bugatti ) & a Malaysian conglomerate owns Lotus HOWEVER all of those makes I initially Listed are still MANUFACTURED by their respective subsidiaries in ENGLAND & EXPORTED to foreign markets !!! |
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Correct, they would be tits up and out of business if they had not been aquired. Oh well, shitty example, I was just making a point. I have rewired enought Jags and TR6s to know shit when I see it. Same thing, like 1911s, they are beautiful in the right hands with the right (lots) parts and the right (lots) maintenance. That is what I was trying to say. When they both run, they run great. The glock is more like the F150/Silverado/Dodge/Toyoto truck of handguns, mid priced and shows up ready for work every day. There, I was PC about the trucks. |
your right , simple out of the box reliability vs. something that usually has to be tweaked to work reliably So you don't think Lucas electrics & SU carbs are reliable ??? |
There is a fact from an owner. And the Kimbers are nice, and cost $300 to $500 extra for the diminished reliability. |